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Feb 16, 2018 16:42:05 GMT -5
Post by Jack Specific on Feb 16, 2018 16:42:05 GMT -5
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 16, 2018 17:04:41 GMT -5
This completely ignores the fact that these things only happen here. What are we doing that the test of the world isn't?
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 16, 2018 17:57:55 GMT -5
I stopped to get a comb today (cause Ive grown my hair out for the first time in 15yrs and the wind was hell..thats here nor there) and the old woman at the front counter decided to ask me about the shooting. I tried to avoid it just cause simply I dont care about others opinions. She said "I cant believe its so easy to buy a gun like that"....I asked her "Have you ever gone to buy one?" She said "no but on the internet they say you can just walk in and get one with ease".......I just walked out. Stop getting your information from the internet people. Very true. Any time I purchased a firearm I had to go through 2 background checks. One state and one Federal. The forms are long and must be filled out by hand at the point of purchase. This includes "Gun Show" purchases as well. Criminals purchasing "on the street" need no background check. Maybe that is what she was referring to about it being "easy"? My step dad is a retired Highway patrol officer & security for the air base here, he now works part time for a shooting range/gun shop. He shakes his head every time he hears the media/social media/liberal media go on their tangents about "how easy" it is to buy guns. He himself literally does the paper work for gun purchases...its not even remotely close to being as easy as it seems. Do some slip through the cracks? Sure, there's people with no records and no signs of mental problems that just "snap" but for the most part some guy that's been locked up at the county asylum or has spent time in jail cant just walk in and buy a gun. Target shooting/Hobby. Also home/self/family defense if it ever had to come to that. You don't need an AR-15 to defend yourself. You dont need a Dodge Charger with a 440 to drag race in but if the other guy has a Pontiac GTO with a 389 in it, them Im sure as hell not going to show up in a Buick Skylark. You take guns out of "bad people's" hands first....then lecture me about taking the guns from law biding citizens.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 16, 2018 18:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by Angel Beast on Feb 16, 2018 18:12:34 GMT -5
Except that drugs, alcohol, and prostitution are not protected liberties in the bill of rights. At least not that I know of. To the best of my knowledge guns are not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. They are mentioned in the constitution. The second amendment to be exact. They're called AMENDMENTS for a reason. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are the same thing. The first 10 amendments of the Constitution make up the Bill of Rights. www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/
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Feb 16, 2018 18:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:16:55 GMT -5
Way I see it is, evil people will find a way to commit evil acts if they desire, take a gun away they will use a bomb/knife/car or whatever they can get their hands on. Sad but true. Taking them away from the good people that own/collect them isn’t fair nor will it solve the problem.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 16, 2018 18:19:45 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge guns are not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. They are mentioned in the constitution. The second amendment to be exact. They're called AMENDMENTS for a reason. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are the same thing. The first 10 amendments of the Constitution make up the Bill of Rights. www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/
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Feb 16, 2018 18:21:39 GMT -5
Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 16, 2018 18:21:39 GMT -5
My 5 cents is
As we beat it to death the 2nd amendment is one of our most important rights. We can also dispute the actual meaning of a well regulated militia's meaning. Which is a great debate in it itself. We also can view that this was written well over 200 years ago. So, the interpretation of this will also vary on how constitutionally abiding someone is. I personally find weapons such as the AR-15 should not be aloud. Not to be to polarizing, I am sure there is some restrictions on obtaining one. Although, I am totally outright not for allowing the gun on common basis. You do not need a AR-15 to hunt. We need to stop viewing it as people kill people, guns don't kill people. The human mind as the malicious intent behind. The gun is the enabler. It's a weaker military and law enforcement grade weapon. It's primary objective is to neutralize multiple targets with outright force. No one needs that for home defensive, hunting, etc. The only people who should have these are mentally fit and capable people in defensive, law enforcement, military, etc jobs. They should still undergo a series of tests to obtain one to keep at home. We can say gun control won't do much. As in people will resort to this and that. That's the primary weapon of a slippery slope fallacy. Even if that is the case, we cannot allow zero action to be taken. Yes, ''bad people'' will try to violate the system. How does it make it harder for someone who is ''good person''. Yes, they may need to take a class, test, etc for it. But, if it's not easy for the ''bad people'' that will opt them out of the legal process. The illegal process of obtaining firearms could as well be hindered. Gun shows need to be shutdown. Production for Ar-15's or any higher grade assault weapons could be slowed down by laws stating so.
Of course we cannot stop little sells of guns. Jim selling Doug his Barreta. We can slow down the black market of arms dealers. Although there truly is 100% stop to any of this. The goal at this rate should only be a reduction until something is effective.
I don't like the idea of regular Joe's getting open carries as well. Many people who have these permits, are not of the ability to properly defend. It don't matter if Joe can shoot his gun. If Joe, is a fat out of shape 45 year old and a young 20 year old goes and tackles Joe. Joe may of just put the store hes shopping at a huge risk. Things such as open carry, or concealed carries need to be limited to physically able people. I would prefer again ex cop, law enforcement but a well trained person as well is tolerable.
I can't say I am firmly right. Gun Control is a very tricky topic. A lot of it's common sense but a lot this is all chain effect.
Other factors of suggestion that people debate over to fight school shootings
Armed guards for high school. Considering the nature of most high school security guards, many tend to be out of shape. Some even lack the solid backround one. Although, many ex cops also work these jobs from my experience at school. A armed guard would need to have not only gun but self defensive training. Due in part my interior threats from students. to Many school departments in my metro area schools will have 1-2 on campus cops who are there 70% of the time. So boosting that could help.
Elementary schools also lack security guards. Due in part by a teacher can easily break apart kids fighting, less student body to manage, etc. Due to lack of security, which isn't always easy to employ people in that field. Elementary schools are the most vulnerable. Middle Schools also only have up to 3 security guards typically.
Designing of schools as well. My high school, is designed with multiple interior and exterior entrances. A shooter could attempt a entrance in over 8 main campus and 2 none main campus ways. Of course, southwest architecture goes long over east coast stacked. Better designing or staffing to cover vulnerable spots could work. Although this wouldn't stop interior threats to a school.
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Feb 16, 2018 20:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Feb 16, 2018 20:18:23 GMT -5
Both sides speak of tolerance and such until it is something they don't believe in.
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Feb 16, 2018 21:24:12 GMT -5
Post by snatch on Feb 16, 2018 21:24:12 GMT -5
Even if my whole fam got shot too there demis, I’d still want rights to bare arms. Like I said I have 8 guns/rifles, two of which I built myself hence legally your not supposed to have them. There ghost guns. I like to hunt, I eat what I kill, and the leftover gets donated. I also carry for protection, I only pack when I decide to go to downtown bars that are know for a bad area, other than that my guns are locked in car or in house.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 16, 2018 21:59:18 GMT -5
Even if my whole fam got shot too there demis, I’d still want rights to bare arms. Like I said I have 8 guns/rifles, two of which I built myself hence legally your not supposed to have them. There ghost guns. I like to hunt, I eat what I kill, and the leftover gets donated. I also carry for protection, I only pack when I decide to go to downtown bars that are know for a bad area, other than that my guns are locked in car or in house. Not to be a dick but why the hell would you go to a bar/area that you need to carry a gun to? That makes 0 sense to me
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Post by DarthVeach on Feb 16, 2018 22:31:44 GMT -5
Don’t care about them either way. My dad has always had his guns as Long as I was growing up. Never did anything or wanted me to go shoot people or anything. People make the guns out to be the bad thing but people just don’t care about the human life anymore. Look at why people get killed. Over sneakers, over girls, over other stupid things. If they made guns illegal it wouldn’t do much for the honest guy. Look at drugs. I don’t know where to get them, but if I was addicted to meth I’d probably be able to find some. Same with guns, if I’m an honest upstanding citizen I wouldn’t be able to get one, if I somehow needed one to go nuts, I’d be able to find one. People have guns for all kind of things. Some people like to collect them, some people like them for protection in their home(hopefully most don’t need it), and hunting. People enjoy hunting and it is a sport to some. Some people still use hunting as means to eat. As crazy as it sounds, I did know a guy who hunted deer and would cut the meat up and freeze it and had it for like 6 months to a year. Said it was great savings at the food store. Like I said earlier. I don’t think guns are the problem. It’s the world we live in. People that want to carry out mass killings will still do them. Pressure cooker bombs were used in Boston and NY, a truck was used a few times in NY. People just aren’t all there these days and it’s scary. I hope this thread can stay open and unlocked but I honestly have slim hopes for it. Pretty much sums up my childhood. I grew up in a house with MANY guns. I was taught to respect their power and what they were for. My dad wanted me to grow up to be a hunter / outdoor enthusiast like him, which I didn't. I don't own any as an adult, but I don't have anything against them. Cannot blame an inanimate object for the actions of horrible people
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Feb 16, 2018 22:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 16, 2018 22:55:14 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge guns are not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. They are mentioned in the constitution. The second amendment to be exact. They're called AMENDMENTS for a reason. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are the same thing. The first 10 amendments of the Constitution make up the Bill of Rights. www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/LOL. You got me the there. I was wrong, in fine with that. Now address the other part of my post.
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Feb 16, 2018 23:47:53 GMT -5
Post by snatch on Feb 16, 2018 23:47:53 GMT -5
Even if my whole fam got shot too there demis, I’d still want rights to bare arms. Like I said I have 8 guns/rifles, two of which I built myself hence legally your not supposed to have them. There ghost guns. I like to hunt, I eat what I kill, and the leftover gets donated. I also carry for protection, I only pack when I decide to go to downtown bars that are know for a bad area, other than that my guns are locked in car or in house. Not to be a dick but why the hell would you go to a bar/area that you need to carry a gun to? That makes 0 sense to me Ask ppl in a Worcester/Dorchester,MA... I enjoy going downtown to there bars, but let’s just say there’s a lot of sketchy people and there’s a TON of crime there. Hell I barely even carry when I’m out in providence, so that says a lot.
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 0:27:21 GMT -5
Even if my whole fam got shot too there demis, I’d still want rights to bare arms. Like I said I have 8 guns/rifles, two of which I built myself hence legally your not supposed to have them. There ghost guns. I like to hunt, I eat what I kill, and the leftover gets donated. I also carry for protection, I only pack when I decide to go to downtown bars that are know for a bad area, other than that my guns are locked in car or in house. did you just admit to manufacturing and owning illicit firearms?
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Feb 17, 2018 1:17:57 GMT -5
Post by snatch on Feb 17, 2018 1:17:57 GMT -5
Yea caught me red handed. 🤣
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Feb 17, 2018 4:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by Angel Beast on Feb 17, 2018 4:17:07 GMT -5
LOL. You got me the there. I was wrong, in fine with that. Now address the other part of my post. You can’t change an Amendment itself. Well in the sense that you can’t change it’s existing wording. To change an existing Amendment a new Amendment has to be proposed and passed. Perfect example Amendment 18 Prohibition. Once they realized prohibition wasn’t the best idea they couldn’t just get rid of it by changing the word so they had to create Amendment 21 that repealed Prohibition. Now as it pertains to Amendment 2 it may be tricky to have another Amendment that makes changes to it. Since it is part of the Bill of Rights which is seen as natural rights given to the people. Also the wording of it “shall not be infringed”. Meaning the Government can’t outright repeal the right of the people to own weapons. So they would have to work around that. In a sense I believe they could limit the number of guns a single person could own as it is not preventing people from owning a gun. They could have that guns you purchase have to be registered yearly, like cars and that it’s a findable offense if you choose not to. But like I said in an earlier post with members of the government in the NRA’s pocket, any change is going to be a battle to pull off.
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Feb 17, 2018 7:22:48 GMT -5
Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 7:22:48 GMT -5
My opinion is that guns should be banned. No reason to have them at all.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Feb 17, 2018 8:27:28 GMT -5
My opinion is that guns should be banned. No reason to have them at all. I see it as a case to case basis. When I was in North Dakota in 2012, there was a story on local news that a man came home for a break on his farm and he left his back door open. He saw on his couch, a mountain lion eating his dog. Now, this is where you would need a gun for protection. Why? You aren’t outrunning a mountain lion. You won’t outsmart a mountain lion. You can’t hide, because they will break doors away for prey. There are hundreds of cases where a firearm is needed for protection. But, there is a laundry list of items that are for sale that just don’t need to be mass produced or made available at retail. Large magazines should be banned. Anything over 6 shots is too much. If you can’t hit your target with 2 shots, you don’t need to rely on overspray. Bumpstocks, Drums, high powered rifles ( not the CNN make beleive ones) I’m talking bokt action single shot high powered rifles. Typically used for long range hunting. Don’t need it. Be a better tracker. Ammo pouches. Not neccassary. You aren’t SWAT, you aren’t Military, you don’t need access to a ammo vest/pouch. But, it will never happen. Arms manufacturers would have to pay for new drawings, toolings, and the time it would take to converts machines to manufacture smaller magazines, smaller grip chambers, and new machines all around, they would essentially have to stop buisness for the likely hood of a year or better. Best bet is to keep up on your surroundings and stay safe!
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Feb 17, 2018 9:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 9:21:15 GMT -5
My opinion is that guns should be banned. No reason to have them at all. Can’t agree. If I lived in or around some stinking ghetto in Detroit somewhere I’m owning a gun.
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