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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 9:28:28 GMT -5
Have any of you been in a situation to be this paranoid about your life being threatened?
I’ve been robbed at gun and have had my home broken in to, yet I don’t feel the need to carry.
You’re living in a state of paranoia created by the media, politicians and gun companies.
Learn some actual self defense, you’ll be better off.
Also, why do so many of you knowledgeable gun owners out right lie or make things out to be so much worse in order to further point?
Semi-automatic weapons might not blow a hole like a shotgun would, but you god damn know that the issue is the rate of fire.
There is no evidence not enough situations to Back up the whole “good guy with a gun” theory. Last thing a mass shooting needs is to have some random, making more bullets fly.
The argument that “they will find another way” also has no traction. Most of these people are in the mental state, that they take these actions because they have access to a gun. Most don’t show the mental signs of actually taking those extra steps. You can’t use columbine or jihadist as a a comparison to a mental unstable person that has purchased or borrowed a gun.
Thing of your own talking points. Not those force fed to you through your politicians or info wars
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Feb 17, 2018 9:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 9:31:53 GMT -5
I bought a handgun from cabelas about two years ago. I filled out one form and he scanned my ID I was out of the store with a gun and bullets in my hand within half an hour. That easy. God forbid you have to fill out a few more forms. Pen to paper is such an obstacle! If you’re a responsible gun owner you should have no problem taking extra measures when purchasing. There really is no reason to own an at-15 even for “sport” It’s a semi-auto (yes it’s a real ing thing) which has too much killing power. Buy a big truck if you need to help your small man syndrome. What state do you live in? In NJ you have to go to the police station get a packet, go get finger printed yourself, then bring the packet and finger pen ts back to the station. The chief of police there reviews it And does a background check on you to see what You’re history is then they may issue you the liscense. You’re speaking of a carrying permit I’m assuming? I bought the gun in pa. Took 30 mins. If youre responsible, these steps shouldn’t bother you. God forbid you don’t get a hand cramp from filling out paper work, right?
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Feb 17, 2018 9:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 9:34:02 GMT -5
I bought a handgun from cabelas about two years ago. I filled out one form and he scanned my ID I was out of the store with a gun and bullets in my hand within half an hour. That easy. God forbid you have to fill out a few more forms. Pen to paper is such an obstacle! If you’re a responsible gun owner you should have no problem taking extra measures when purchasing. There really is no reason to own an at-15 even for “sport” It’s a semi-auto (yes it’s a real ing thing) which has too much killing power. Buy a big truck if you need to help your small man syndrome. Are you referring to me? You seem like a respectable and knowledgeable enough gun owner... But there’s still no reason to own one. I get it, they’re fun as hell to shoot. But as a whole, society does not need these so easily obtainable.
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Feb 17, 2018 9:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 17, 2018 9:53:47 GMT -5
What state do you live in? In NJ you have to go to the police station get a packet, go get finger printed yourself, then bring the packet and finger pen ts back to the station. The chief of police there reviews it And does a background check on you to see what You’re history is then they may issue you the liscense. You’re speaking of a carrying permit I’m assuming? I bought the gun in pa. Took 30 mins. If youre responsible, these steps shouldn’t bother you. God forbid you don’t get a hand cramp from filling out paper work, right? Nope standard procedure for getting a gun in NJ. Finger printed and background checked. To carry is something totally different. Usually to get a regular permit takes a couple weeks to get your answer
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Feb 17, 2018 10:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 10:24:38 GMT -5
You’re speaking of a carrying permit I’m assuming? I bought the gun in pa. Took 30 mins. If youre responsible, these steps shouldn’t bother you. God forbid you don’t get a hand cramp from filling out paper work, right? Nope standard procedure for getting a gun in NJ. Finger printed and background checked. To carry is something totally different. Usually to get a regular permit takes a couple weeks to get your answer It may be a hassle, but it should be understandable. And it seems to help as well
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Feb 17, 2018 10:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 17, 2018 10:26:30 GMT -5
Nope standard procedure for getting a gun in NJ. Finger printed and background checked. To carry is something totally different. Usually to get a regular permit takes a couple weeks to get your answer It may be a hassle, but it should be understandable. And it seems to help as well I’m not here to start an argument but why are you saying no one needs a gun but you said you yourself bought one and took less than a half hour to get?
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Feb 17, 2018 10:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 10:52:53 GMT -5
It may be a hassle, but it should be understandable. And it seems to help as well I’m not here to start an argument but why are you saying no one needs a gun but you said you yourself bought one and took less than a half hour to get? I’m not saying that no one needs a gun, I’m saying no one needs a semi-auto gun. I come from a hunting family, I’m not 100% anti gun. I just feel we could use tighter restrictions on gun companies and sales of them. I used me buying own as an examp of how easy it is to get one.
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Feb 17, 2018 11:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 17, 2018 11:05:16 GMT -5
My opinion is that guns should be banned. No reason to have them at all. You still live at home huh?
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Feb 17, 2018 11:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 11:40:07 GMT -5
He was accosted outside the church by a legal gun owner. How are you to say he wouldn't have carried on his attack elsewhere, or gone back into the church? And how are you to say that he wasn't done shooting? How are you to say that he wasn't planning on living out the rest of his life like nothing happened? Discussing the what ifs is pointless. We can only go by the facts and the facts are the he had stopped shooting and was attempting to leave the scene, this indicating that he was done killing people. More than if we were armed and could have shot the bastards There have been exactly zero mass shootings and/or terrorist attacks that have been stopped by a civilian with a gun in America. yes there have been. At a mall in I think Oregon a few years ago a guy had his pistol on him and a dude walked in and started shooting and killed two people and the guy with his pistol walked up behind him and held him at gun point till the cops got there. Now before you say “well he still killed two people” he most likely would’ve killed a lot more had it not been firbthat guy having his pistol on him.
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Feb 17, 2018 11:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 11:53:57 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR. And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that shit.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 17, 2018 12:09:11 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR.
And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that crap. That's simple to answer. The liberal media & politicians have brain washed them to believe that the AR15 is the most deadly weapon in the world. They dont know that there is other weapons out there that can do as much if not more damage. Simply put they havent educated themselves on the subject. They just tune into (insert news channel here) and stare at the screen like this and believe everything they are told.
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Feb 17, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
And how are you to say that he wasn't done shooting? How are you to say that he wasn't planning on living out the rest of his life like nothing happened? Discussing the what ifs is pointless. We can only go by the facts and the facts are the he had stopped shooting and was attempting to leave the scene, this indicating that he was done killing people. There have been exactly zero mass shootings and/or terrorist attacks that have been stopped by a civilian with a gun in America. yes there have been. At a mall in I think Oregon a few years ago a guy had his pistol on him and a dude walked in and started shooting and killed two people and the guy with his pistol walked up behind him and held him at gun point till the cops got there. Now before you say “well he still killed two people” he most likely would’ve killed a lot more had it not been firbthat guy having his pistol on him. You mean the one there is no real evidence of? www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2014/feb/12/oregon-citizens-lobby/were-kip-kinkel-and-clackamas-town-center-shooting/
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Feb 17, 2018 12:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 12:35:26 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR. And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that crap. You seem like you know guns enough to know the truth, so why continue to dance around it? The reason is the rate of fire and caliber. Hell, here is a gun site describing why the at-15 is better for urban warafre. www.armsbearingcitizen.com/ar-15-vs-22-best-rifle-survival/
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Feb 17, 2018 12:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 12:36:09 GMT -5
there is evidence though. The guy got charged for carrying a pistol in the mall cause that mall had a no fire arms policy, dispite the fact he saved who knows how many lives that day.
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Feb 17, 2018 12:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 12:37:26 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR. And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that crap. You seem like you know guns enough to know the truth, so why continue to dance around it? The reason is the rate of fire and caliber. Hell, here is a gun site describing why the at-15 is better for urban warafre. www.armsbearingcitizen.com/ar-15-vs-22-best-rifle-survival/ARs are .223s. That a fairly small caliber.
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Feb 17, 2018 12:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 12:39:47 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR.
And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that crap. That's simple to answer. The liberal media & politicians have brain washed them to believe that the AR15 is the most deadly weapon in the world. They dont know that there is other weapons out there that can do as much if not more damage. Simply put they havent educated themselves on the subject. They just tune into (insert news channel here) and stare at the screen like this and believe everything they are told. aint that the truth. It’s kinda like Obama trying to ban assault rifles a few years ago. If you wanna get technical assault rifles have always been illegal to own cause by definition assault rifles are fully auto. AR 15 are just a semi auto .223 made to look like an assault rifle.
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 17, 2018 12:41:31 GMT -5
The world is a messed up place and I think that people who say "ban guns" have their heart in the right place, but banning guns being sold legally is not going to stop a bad person from getting one if they really want on, unfortunately.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 17, 2018 12:45:20 GMT -5
There is obviously a problem with how everything works now as children are being shot to death on a consistent basis.
I'm an open minded person, but how anyone could believe that there isn't a problem is baffling to me.
(This is NOT directed towards anyone here)
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Feb 17, 2018 12:55:39 GMT -5
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 17, 2018 12:55:39 GMT -5
So I live in Montana and I would just like to point out the fact, that Montana has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the US, cause everybody has a gun, so people don’t with each other cause they know there’s a good chance they’re gonna get shot. And I don’t get peoples problems with ARs. Is it cause of the size of the standard clip or what? Cause I got a somebody said it’s cause they’re semi-auto but, I got a semi auto .22 and a 25 round banana clip. I think I could do just as much damage with it as an AR. And for every body saying ban guns, Australia’s did that a few years ago, and their violent crime rate has sky rocketed cause of it cause criminals don’t go into sportsman’s warehouse and buy a gun, they go to the guy down on the corner selling em. Plus what if the government becomes too powerful? That’s why the second amendment even exists cause the founding father looked at what they went through with Brittan and said if something should happen and the government becomes too powerful, our citizens need to have the capability to over throw it. I’m just throwin all this out there, I know no bodies opinions will change, and we will keep getting pissed off about each other’s opinions, I’m just sayin so see no logic in gun control or any of that crap. I think the government is already too powerful but I’ll save that for another thread
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Feb 17, 2018 14:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by disorder on Feb 17, 2018 14:18:21 GMT -5
there is evidence though. The guy got charged for carrying a pistol in the mall cause that mall had a no fire arms policy, dispite the fact he saved who knows how many lives that day. Again, no proof he saved any lives. His story changed 3 times in 2 days.
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