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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 22, 2015 4:29:52 GMT -5
Definitely as a performer 2002-2011 for me.
However, as a character and overall look (and how much I enjoyed watching him) 1997-2000. He could do no wrong in my eyes during that time. Especially his 1998 look. So menacing.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 22, 2015 3:45:23 GMT -5
He was a great wrestler, a great character who played his part well. He was one half of one of the most dynamic and successful tag-teams of all time... I don't think he really needs much more recognition. He didn't need to be a main eventer. The WWF had plenty, and he didn't quite fit the bill. NO BIG DEAL.
I liked him as an upper midcard guy who had a great look and athleticism. I was a fan. That was it.
It is stupid how you get people on here saying "He sucked" with nothing else said to back it up. It's that kind of bias crap that has no basis. Care to elaborate?
For me, I think the transition to "The One, Billy Gunn" just wasn't as good as before. Granted, the injury derailed him, but it didn't derail Austin or the Undertaker for when they came back. So was it him in particular, or was it the gimmick change that made him slip down the card? Basically 2000 was his last great year, which is a shame because he could have stayed in the upper midcard and I'd have been fine with it.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 20, 2015 5:44:37 GMT -5
Looking back, I'm glad they changed the name. For me, it's like the Women's championship and the Divas' championship. Trish Stratus was a women's champion, Kelly Kelly most certainly wasn't, but she is a Divas' champion. The current product isn't WWF, but it is WWE. For me, WWE isn't the same thing as WWF, it's like WWF was Nitro during the winning streak and WWE is Thunder. But Nitro got cancelled and Thunder didn't. Does that make sense? As a name, I much prefer WWF but I'm glad the current product hasn't tarnished the name. Exactly. I wouldn't want to put the WWF and WWE in the same boat. It doesn't feel the same. WWE has been more "glitzy", whilst the WWF felt like a real promotion, more underground (based off late 90s). The name Federation made it seem like a huge deal. Entertainment sounds like it should be on that channel E!. I'm much more glad it isn't called the WWF today, because we wouldn't be having this comparison right now. There was a clear change in product. A change in name suited it. It just isn't the same.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 20, 2015 5:20:12 GMT -5
You have to admit, although many despise her (I used to for many years, now I tolerate her), she had such great development in those 5 + years. She went from an early 20s "kid" who became part of the biggest power couple, "owner" of ECW and feuding with Vince, Smackdown GM (all grown up) and a general bitch. You could see how far she had progressed in that short time period, becoming more confident and skilled as a heel figure.
The only other comparable improvement was Trish who went from an eye-candy valet, to the greatest female wrestler of the generation in less than 6 years.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2015 16:34:40 GMT -5
Yeah the pants I mentioned were used for Nitro/Morrison. Some of his earlier figures have a less tanned look that'd work for Daniels, but the torso type may be wrong. Maybe Joey Mercury would work better since he has a cruiserweight torso. There is a Nitro that has a smaller torso than his MNM tag sets, and he is tanned too so it may go perfect with Daniel's head. That figure may work for a Daniels. That's a great shout I think the colours match up quite well with the Daniels head.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2015 15:33:17 GMT -5
Koko B Ware? I know Rosey definitely did.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2015 15:31:42 GMT -5
Yeah the pants I mentioned were used for Nitro/Morrison.
Some of his earlier figures have a less tanned look that'd work for Daniels, but the torso type may be wrong. Maybe Joey Mercury would work better since he has a cruiserweight torso.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2015 14:02:42 GMT -5
Funaki has a very unique skin colour but fits what you're saying here. Wouldn't work for black/half-cast guys like Maven though.
If you can get hold of it, Jay Lethal in the TNA RI line works too.
Quite honestly I don't think there was any others than that.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 19, 2015 13:59:56 GMT -5
Depends on which upper legs you're using.
If you're going for his tights/pants look from 2011 to today, I'd suggest the jeans mold in black. The type of ones made for wrestlers in their street gear. The ones you've mentioned above wouldn't work for the tights look on his upper legs.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2015 16:29:40 GMT -5
HBK was using the super kick for years before it became his finisher. I remember it being called the "Crescent Kick" for some reason. Similar to Edge using the spear more as a signature move before it became his main finisher. Although he did use it occasionally as an actual match-ending move, it wasn't his finisher until about 2004. The DDT's one I've always been interested in finding out if it was used before Jake, and it's a shame so many use it as a regular move that everybody can kick out of.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2015 7:46:06 GMT -5
I thought this could be a good topic to learn new things about wrestlers that you never knew before.
So I came up with a question for a thread, where I'd ask who used the Tombstone Piledriver (belly to belly) before the Undertaker popularised it and used it as his finisher. Key word being popularised. Because these moves can be performed by many before you ever saw it, but for some reason go unnoticed.
I have seen/heard a few wrestlers use the Tombstone either before or at the same time Taker was doing it, and can only think of Sting, Fit Finlay and Owen Hart (who later modified it by sitting down, named the "Hart Driver"). I know there's more guys though.
So for this thread, I'd like to start off by asking this question for the Tombstone/Belly to Belly Piledriver, but by all means, please ask your own questions about specific moves.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2015 7:31:47 GMT -5
I could go as far as to say Steve Austin, except that was as a kid. I got that he was popular, but I never got behind him. I always liked Rock more (still do). After watching back stuff from then, I can appreciate what he meant to the industry and how the male audience connected with him as a beer drinking blue collar worker who gets to stick it to his boss. Obviously as a kid I never saw it as that, so The Rock with his funny promos always entertained me infinitely more. I kind of like Austin now, but not as much as others.
Flair is a good shout as others have said. Couldn't care less about him in the WWE. Initially I think (2003 and prior) I saw him as an old legend, who had come from WCW to be in the WWE once more, but after 2005 especially, he just was there. I felt he tarnished his legacy by regularly competing at such a drastically lower level than what I had heard he was capable of (since I had never seen any of his matches prior to late WCW). I just kept hearing about how he was the best wrestler ever and it made me scratch my head. How you could rank him above, say Angle is beyond me. Even Sting is outperforming him now than Flair was at the same age of 56.
And finally I'll say Benoit. Great entrance music, great attire (late WCW-WWE 2003), cool finisher and moveset, looks jakked, but never did anything for me.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 17, 2015 10:00:30 GMT -5
Oh if I could get a job working for the WWE I'd implement some of what Meltzer's said, as well as some of my own ideas, but I'd also crack a few skulls of these dumbasses who don't learn from the past. He's right - they are killing the business slowly worse every year. The talent on the roster today is immense, so full of potential. But when they fail to capitalise on guys or even this divas "revolution", it's saddening.
For starters, I'd kick out all those talentless ex-soap opera/"Hollywood" writer rejects and employ a consortium of REAL wrestling fans who are respectful of the business, and don't flip-flop between wrestlers getting pushes and have consistency in the storylines and past feuds with the guys.
Smh.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 15, 2015 8:12:26 GMT -5
Sweet stuff man. I love these Toybiz figures, and had such joy collecting them. My gripe is them not finishing tag teams, so it is very nice to see all your customs. I'd love to know how they were made and to see more pics.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 15, 2015 8:09:14 GMT -5
Just watched the RR 2000. Funny how they kept coming back in time and again only to be thrown back over.
I remember how the APA had a bet once who would bounce the highest after being slammed to the mat, and Bradshaw powerbombed one whilst Faarooq gave a spinebuster to the other.
They were great as fodder for others, but since I was introduced to them as that purpose first, it amazed me when I watched a little of Taka in 1997. He was incredible, just as good as the cruiserweights in WCW. I wondered if he despised how he was used after joining Kaientai in 1998, but considering he stayed until at least 2001, he must have been a good sport.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 14, 2015 5:19:30 GMT -5
It'll be Reigns again.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 13, 2015 16:37:37 GMT -5
Love it. Best Batman film bar none. Don't care what anyone says.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 13, 2015 15:33:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Seth a complete spot monkey, although he has sometimes demonstrated that at times in the past. I'd find it difficult to label anyone as such in the WWE, it just isn't their style to let someone do that. It mainly pertains to guys at 220lbs or under who use their exciting spots to try get themselves over for lack of size or actual wrestling skills.
The X-Division in TNA was prime for that kind of "Gotta get my sh*t in before the end of the match" thing, mostly because they put them all in one big match.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 11, 2015 8:03:29 GMT -5
I think you're looking too far into it. Is was a one-and-done thing, done to create a memorable Wrestlemania moment and draw up nostalgia. Sure in a way it was WCW vs WWE, but that was only a secondary thing to the main attraction of Sting vs Triple H.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 11, 2015 3:57:29 GMT -5
The feud from late 1999 to No Way Out 2000 was awesome. Triple H worked PERFECTLY with Foley, and when he became Cactus Jack again, HHH sold it like a real champ. The look on his face was priceless. Say what you will about him, but he sold the whole feud.
Upon looking at how they could book Sting vs Rollins, I began thinking a couple of weeks ago they should book it like this feud. Where Sting does all he can, takes Rollins to his limit but still loses but looks like a major threat along the way. I feel that would really cement Rollins as the top heel worthy of the WHC just like Foley did for HHH. I also think Rollins should paint his face in a similar manner, to play mind games himself and get into Sting's mindset in order to beat him, but that's just me.
I love how Foley is completely different when Mankind or Cactus Jack. It really felt like he was a Legend come back for one more run.
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