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Post by xavion2004 on Feb 25, 2015 22:37:07 GMT -5
So if we're going to beat this topic into submission, let's move away from the concepts for a minute and talk about specifics. Where does Reigns need to improve when it comes to his in-ring work and his promos? What is he doing right and what is he doing wrong? Bryan is considered one of the best workers in the business. What does he bring to the table that Reigns doesn't? How much of that gap can Reigns close and how much of it has more to do with Bryan's innate talent? Let's raise the bar a couple of notches. Let's stop looking for Reigns Haters under the bed and in the closet, because quite honestly, I haven't seen one here yet. I've seen people say they're not a fan of his character, his work in the ring, or his promos, but that's not hatred, it's a preference. On the flip side, it isn't a sin to be a Reigns fan when he's not the best worker or the best promo in the company. I like his look. There. I said it. I'm a boring white dude that's out of shape and approaching middle age, and I'd love to be a bad ass Samoan dude with blue eyes, long hair, and a million dollar smile. So sue me.
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Post by el torro on Feb 25, 2015 23:30:02 GMT -5
I still hate him
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Post by Rob on Feb 26, 2015 0:08:23 GMT -5
So if we're going to beat this topic into submission, let's move away from the concepts for a minute and talk about specifics. Where does Reigns need to improve when it comes to his in-ring work and his promos? What is he doing right and what is he doing wrong? Bryan is considered one of the best workers in the business. What does he bring to the table that Reigns doesn't? How much of that gap can Reigns close and how much of it has more to do with Bryan's innate talent? Let's raise the bar a couple of notches. Let's stop looking for Reigns Haters under the bed and in the closet, because quite honestly, I haven't seen one here yet. I've seen people say they're not a fan of his character, his work in the ring, or his promos, but that's not hatred, it's a preference. On the flip side, it isn't a sin to be a Reigns fan when he's not the best worker or the best promo in the company. I like his look. There. I said it. I'm a boring white dude that's out of shape and approaching middle age, and I'd love to be a bad ass Samoan dude with blue eyes, long hair, and a million dollar smile. So sue me. One word for Bryan: Intensity. Reigns on the mic can put a grown adult to sleep. There is no intensity in his promos nor ring work. He speaks in a monotone soft slow voice like he is remembering his script as he says it. His ring work lacks any sort of intensity, He often looks lost out there. Bryan makes it look incredibly easy and effortless. He doesnt look like he is out there waiting for someone to tell him what to do next.
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Feb 26, 2015 0:42:13 GMT -5
Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 0:45:39 GMT -5
So if we're going to beat this topic into submission, let's move away from the concepts for a minute and talk about specifics. Where does Reigns need to improve when it comes to his in-ring work and his promos? What is he doing right and what is he doing wrong? Bryan is considered one of the best workers in the business. What does he bring to the table that Reigns doesn't? How much of that gap can Reigns close and how much of it has more to do with Bryan's innate talent? Let's raise the bar a couple of notches. Let's stop looking for Reigns Haters under the bed and in the closet, because quite honestly, I haven't seen one here yet. I've seen people say they're not a fan of his character, his work in the ring, or his promos, but that's not hatred, it's a preference. On the flip side, it isn't a sin to be a Reigns fan when he's not the best worker or the best promo in the company. I like his look. There. I said it. I'm a boring white dude that's out of shape and approaching middle age, and I'd love to be a bad ass Samoan dude with blue eyes, long hair, and a million dollar smile. So sue me. Roman Reigns Positives 1.He Has The Look going for him,Tall good looking guy with a good physic.He definitely is a good posterboy with the likes of Orton and Cena. 2.He Can Play his character well,He can play the whole Badass guy who does whatever he wants.But I want him to be a silent yet deadly type of guy sorta like old school kane but without the mask,fire,etc. 3.Decent Wrestler but theres always room for improvements but after his match with bryan he can definitely hang in there with the big dogs. Negatives 1.His look-From the entrance to the music to even the all black look it's too much shield and not enough roman.I wanna know who exactly roman reigns is without the shield look he needs a new look just like how seth and dean were able to get a new outfits after the shield was over. 2.Horrible Mic skills-Like I said before I want him to be a silent but deadly type of guy.He talks too low and he doesn't exactly get the crowd live. 3.His wrestling skills need work.I really want him to become a full powerhouse type of wrestler and hopefully learn some new finishers.Maybe have a powerbomb finisher he's all about muscle and strength and I just Don't think the spear really fits him. As long as he stays working with the more experience guys like Bryan,Seth,Cena,Orton,etc then he should be fine.
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Post by Rob on Feb 26, 2015 0:54:40 GMT -5
So if we're going to beat this topic into submission, let's move away from the concepts for a minute and talk about specifics. Where does Reigns need to improve when it comes to his in-ring work and his promos? What is he doing right and what is he doing wrong? Bryan is considered one of the best workers in the business. What does he bring to the table that Reigns doesn't? How much of that gap can Reigns close and how much of it has more to do with Bryan's innate talent? Let's raise the bar a couple of notches. Let's stop looking for Reigns Haters under the bed and in the closet, because quite honestly, I haven't seen one here yet. I've seen people say they're not a fan of his character, his work in the ring, or his promos, but that's not hatred, it's a preference. On the flip side, it isn't a sin to be a Reigns fan when he's not the best worker or the best promo in the company. I like his look. There. I said it. I'm a boring white dude that's out of shape and approaching middle age, and I'd love to be a bad ass Samoan dude with blue eyes, long hair, and a million dollar smile. So sue me. Roman Reigns Positives 1.He Has The Look going for him,Tall good looking guy with a good physic.He definitely is a good posterboy with the likes of Orton and Cena. 2.He Can Play his character well,He can play the whole Badass guy who does whatever he wants.But I want him to be a silent yet deadly type of guy sorta like old school kane but without the mask,fire,etc. 3.Decent Wrestler but theres always room for improvements but after his match with bryan he can definitely hang in there with the big dogs. Negatives 1.His look-From the entrance to the music to even the all black look it's too much shield and not enough roman.I wanna know who exactly roman reigns is without the shield look he needs a new look just like how seth and dean were able to get a new outfits after the shield was over. 2.Horrible Mic skills-Like I said before I want him to be a silent but deadly type of guy.He talks too low and he doesn't exactly get the crowd live. 3.His wrestling skills need work.I really want him to become a full powerhouse type of wrestler and hopefully learn some new finishers.Maybe have a powerbomb finisher he's all about muscle and strength and I just Don't think the spear really fits him. As long as he stays working with the more experience guys like Bryan,Seth,Cena,Orton,etc then he should be fine. Thats another thing i cant stand about him, His finisher. The spear is such a basic move that has been beaten to death by so many guys. He needs a power move as a finisher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 1:12:47 GMT -5
Roman Reigns Positives 1.He Has The Look going for him,Tall good looking guy with a good physic.He definitely is a good posterboy with the likes of Orton and Cena. 2.He Can Play his character well,He can play the whole Badass guy who does whatever he wants.But I want him to be a silent yet deadly type of guy sorta like old school kane but without the mask,fire,etc. 3.Decent Wrestler but theres always room for improvements but after his match with bryan he can definitely hang in there with the big dogs. Negatives 1.His look-From the entrance to the music to even the all black look it's too much shield and not enough roman.I wanna know who exactly roman reigns is without the shield look he needs a new look just like how seth and dean were able to get a new outfits after the shield was over. 2.Horrible Mic skills-Like I said before I want him to be a silent but deadly type of guy.He talks too low and he doesn't exactly get the crowd live. 3.His wrestling skills need work.I really want him to become a full powerhouse type of wrestler and hopefully learn some new finishers.Maybe have a powerbomb finisher he's all about muscle and strength and I just Don't think the spear really fits him. As long as he stays working with the more experience guys like Bryan,Seth,Cena,Orton,etc then he should be fine. Thats another thing i cant stand about him, His finisher. The spear is such a basic move that has been beaten to death by so many guys. He needs a power move as a finisher. I was thinking since he pretty much was beating the crap out of bryan with his fist at Fastlane and hes good using a great punch so I'll say maybe do JBLs running clothesline from hell finisher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 5:40:05 GMT -5
making this the official Roman Reigns discussion thread. All new topics concerning him will be folded in here just like I did after the RR win. What have I done Something.......BEAUTIFUL!!!! Now....onto my own thoughts on Reigns. I have enjoyed and liked the guy since his debut in the Shield. It was obvious to me from day 1 that he was placed in the team with Rollins so he could learn, have his weakness's disguised and get the hot tag to get over with the crowd.......it was a strategy that worked quite well. But He needed more time before being pushed into the spotlight this heavily. I was also aghast that Vince and co(wont mention Steph....it upsets one or two uber sensitive members when I do)didn't see this outcome ahead of time. It was the Batista situation all over again......In the eyes of the fans Bryan had a tailor made storyline for the RR and WM. It made sense and was what the majority wanted. Its Reigns I feel sorry for in all of this......these negative reactions and continued blunders by Vince & co have the potential to do him serious long term harm. I hope it doesn't but we may all wait and see what happens.
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Post by xavion2004 on Feb 26, 2015 10:28:08 GMT -5
So if we're going to beat this topic into submission, let's move away from the concepts for a minute and talk about specifics. Where does Reigns need to improve when it comes to his in-ring work and his promos? What is he doing right and what is he doing wrong? Bryan is considered one of the best workers in the business. What does he bring to the table that Reigns doesn't? How much of that gap can Reigns close and how much of it has more to do with Bryan's innate talent? Let's raise the bar a couple of notches. Let's stop looking for Reigns Haters under the bed and in the closet, because quite honestly, I haven't seen one here yet. I've seen people say they're not a fan of his character, his work in the ring, or his promos, but that's not hatred, it's a preference. On the flip side, it isn't a sin to be a Reigns fan when he's not the best worker or the best promo in the company. I like his look. There. I said it. I'm a boring white dude that's out of shape and approaching middle age, and I'd love to be a bad ass Samoan dude with blue eyes, long hair, and a million dollar smile. So sue me. One word for Bryan: Intensity. Reigns on the mic can put a grown adult to sleep. There is no intensity in his promos nor ring work. He speaks in a monotone soft slow voice like he is remembering his script as he says it. His ring work lacks any sort of intensity, He often looks lost out there. Bryan makes it look incredibly easy and effortless. He doesnt look like he is out there waiting for someone to tell him what to do next. Yeah, I definitely see the intensity in Bryan's promos and especially in his ring work, so I totally get where you're coming from. That does seem to be a key difference between the two. Who else on the current roster do you think has that intensity?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Feb 26, 2015 11:28:07 GMT -5
He's still not ready to headline WM.
I'd be fine with him headlining like a Payback or Battleground, but not WM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 12:11:26 GMT -5
He's still not ready to headline WM. I'd be fine with him headlining like a Payback or Battleground, but not WM. Reigns has been headlining PPVs for nearly a year now.
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Post by Robert69 on Feb 26, 2015 13:07:30 GMT -5
He's still not ready to headline WM. I'd be fine with him headlining like a Payback or Battleground, but not WM. Reigns has been headlining PPVs for nearly a year now. :coughs: and put on the best match of the night D Bry less than a week ago...:coughs: It's dusty in these forums, sorry. Allergies.
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Post by xavion2004 on Feb 26, 2015 16:30:35 GMT -5
He's still not ready to headline WM. I'd be fine with him headlining like a Payback or Battleground, but not WM. Reigns headlining Wrestlemania is a sticking point with a lot of posters. Until recently, I haven't paid much attention to the WWE since the Monday Night Wars, so I may not fully appreciate what headlining Wrestlemania means in this day and age. Is it the principle of Regins headlining Wrestlemania that people have an issue with, or are there legitimate concerns that he could potentially damage the brand by headlining now as opposed to getting another year or two of experience under his belt?
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 26, 2015 16:49:43 GMT -5
Can't believe he's got his own discussion thread. Although since I'm here, I think he's awful on the mic and the way they've built him has been nothing short of stupid. The Heyman promo didn't make him "look strong" it actually came off offensive to all the great people mentioned.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 26, 2015 16:58:48 GMT -5
He's still not ready to headline WM. I'd be fine with him headlining like a Payback or Battleground, but not WM. Reigns has been headlining PPVs for nearly a year now. Well, he and Bryan headlined Fast Lane. He headlined Money in the Bank but as part of a group of six or seven guys. By that note, then Cesaro headlined a PPV too. He headlined Battleground but it was a Fatal Four Way. He headlined the Royal Rumble, but so did twenty-nine other guys. So I wouldn't say headlined PPVS for nearly a year. A few.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:01:59 GMT -5
Reigns has been headlining PPVs for nearly a year now. Well, he and Bryan headlined Fast Lane. He headlined Money in the Bank but as part of a group of six or seven guys. By that note, then Cesaro headlined a PPV too. He headlined Battleground but it was a Fatal Four Way. He headlined the Royal Rumble, but so did twenty-nine other guys. So I wouldn't say headlined PPVS for nearly a year. A few. Didn't Evolution vs. Shield headline a couple PPVs?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 26, 2015 17:03:53 GMT -5
Well, he and Bryan headlined Fast Lane. He headlined Money in the Bank but as part of a group of six or seven guys. By that note, then Cesaro headlined a PPV too. He headlined Battleground but it was a Fatal Four Way. He headlined the Royal Rumble, but so did twenty-nine other guys. So I wouldn't say headlined PPVS for nearly a year. A few. Didn't Evolution vs. Shield headline a couple PPVs? Just the one. At Extreme Rules Daniel Bryan/Kane headlined. Still though, the Roman Reigns character as a solo act has only headlined three shows, and only once as a singles guy. This isn't me bashing him at all. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:04:34 GMT -5
Didn't Evolution vs. Shield headline a couple PPVs? Just the one. At Extreme Rules Daniel Bryan/Kane headlined. Still though, the Roman Reigns character as a solo act has only headlined three shows, and only once as a singles guy. This isn't me bashing him at all. Just saying. Yeah as a singles guy he hasn't headlined many, but I think teams/F4ways count.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Feb 26, 2015 18:08:43 GMT -5
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until WM32. He still hasn't come into his own and it's unrealistic to think he'd turn down a push if creative has such a desire to push him.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Feb 26, 2015 18:22:40 GMT -5
You don't build stars by putting them in the Main Event at Wrestlemania.
And you don't build stars by shoving them down peoples throat.
I think the biggest problem with Roman Reigns is not Roman Reigns. It's the people who want to see him skyrocket to the top. He's not The Rock. And even if he WAS the Rock reincarnated, he's most definitely still in the "Rocky Maivia" stage. In fact that's exactly what this is like.
The Rock couldn't get over when Vince pushed him to the moon. The Rock only got over when he took the ball in his own court and ran with it. Same with Stone Cold Steve Austin. As much of a genius as Vince McMahon may be, he should know that nothing he does can get a guy over to begin with. You can get him more over (like he did with Austin and his crazy antics on RAW in '98), but the wrestler has to get themselves over to start the train moving. From the ground up. Getting over comes from the fans, no matter what Vince thinks.
Roman needed time to grow and connect with the fans before being pushed. He needs an identity. A personality. And most importantly he needs the time to develop these things.
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