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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:13:27 GMT -5
I'll admit, at first I absolutely detested Reigns. I still wouldn't call myself a fan of his, but I am starting to warm up to him now that he quit the fairy tale promos. I've been mulling over the fact that a lot of people are against his ascension. Is it too quick? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. But I've been thinking that it isn't anything but a good thing. Think about the late 90's and early 2000's. We had plentiful amounts of guys who could have stepped up and main evented as Champion. You had Kurt Angle, the Rock, Stone Cold, Undertaker, Kane (he danced in the main event), Rikishi (at one time), Chris Jericho, Mankind, Triple H, The Big Show and etc. I'm probably forgetting a few. Now who do we have today that could legitimately feel like a main event talent? We have Daniel Bryan, John Cena, Randy Orton and Brock Lesnar. I could be wrong but as of right now, those are the only legitimate main even talents I feel exist in WWE. Sure you have former Champions such as Sheamus, The Miz, and Jack Swagger but they have lost too much steam now. So why be so against Reigns' ascension? I understand the worries about him being "ready" but Cena's getting up there in age. I think he has another 10 years in him, but he can't be the only guy forever. Hell, Cena is slowly stepping down from what I've noticed. Not as the guy, but I don't think anyone can say he's being shoved down our throats. He's far from the focal point of the show these days. WWE is trying to build a new star to lead the future of the company. I don't think Reigns will necessarily be the only guy to follow suit. I think Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, Rusev, Bryan still and etc will usher forth as the top guys of their generation. I could add the NXT guys, but we need to see how they handle themselves on the main roster first. Should it be Roman Reigns? Maybe, maybe not. But at least they're trying to build a new star. There's going to be a few bumps in the road sure, but I think we can all agree we don't want to see Cena vs Orton in the main event for the next 10 years. I could be totally off base here, but feel free to leave your thoughts. Edit: as for the promo with Heyman, myself and another user left our thoughts on that here if you want to read it. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/post/6872336/thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:16:58 GMT -5
Shut up with your positivity. You should know by now that's not accepted around here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:21:40 GMT -5
The issue isn't about making a new main event star. I LOVE that they're making a new main event star. I can't take another Cena/Big Show/Kane/Orton main event.
However,
The main event of Wrestlemania (even during the top heavy attitude era) was also given to the two most over stars on the roster. Period.
Roman Reigns is not one of the two most over stars on the roster...no matter how much WWE tries to tell you otherwise.
This is the issue here. WWE is trying to MAKE him the star that he just isn't yet. Will he reach that level someday with hard work and a track record of solid series of matches? Yes absolutley. Will he reach that level just because WWE tells the fans he's already at that level? No. He will recieve backlash like he's been getting since Royal Rumble.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 25, 2015 0:24:36 GMT -5
You guys need to just realize that most people including me don't care what you think, we still dislike Roman Reigns.
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Post by facemeat on Feb 25, 2015 0:25:35 GMT -5
I feel that they're ultimately trying to build another Cena. I didn't like the first Cena, why would I welcome the repeat? That's basically what it boils down to for me; I don't want another ten years of the unstoppable babyface who overcomes all odds and shrugs off every challenge. It's beyond played out at this point. It's not entirely about Reigns; I wouldn't want anyone in that role, but it also doesn't help that he's not particularly good at anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:29:23 GMT -5
You guys need to just realize that most people including me don't care what you think, we still dislike Roman Reigns. And that's the problem. Majority if Roman Reigns haters are too blinded by hate to realize how he's improving and find some sort of way to bitch about him. The guy could cure cancer and stop world hunger and people still wouldn't give him credit.
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Post by drifter on Feb 25, 2015 0:30:29 GMT -5
The one major reason for a lot of people rejecting it, is because they are trying to force it with Reigns. The top names of the business became top names, after the fans accepted them, not because Vince or any other promoter came out and said, here, this is the guy you're going to cheer, he's your top star. Even Cena, who, while over the past several years has been forced on the crowd, made his way to the top in an organic manner. He was originally brought in, as Mr. Clean Cut, the unknown who comes out to challenge Angle. They even had Undertaker giving him props, and it fell flat. Then he got the Dr. of Thuganomics gimmick, and began a rise, with testing in the main event. He didn't get that WrestleMania main event until he was proven as a top guy. They should have waited until at least next year for Reigns, have him actually establish a singles career. Since the Sheild's break, he's honestly had the least impressive singles run of the three. Hell, I think they should have had him in the place of Cena with Rusev. Build him up more as a singles star.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 25, 2015 0:32:07 GMT -5
You guys need to just realize that most people including me don't care what you think, we still dislike Roman Reigns. And that's the problem. Majority if Roman Reigns haters are too blinded by hate to realize how he's improving and find some sort of way to bitch about him. The guy could cure cancer and stop world hunger and people still wouldn't give him credit. I'm just tired of seeing countless Roman Reign threads. I still have not seen him improve and I will not be a fan of his until he impresses me with either a great promo or an incredible match and that is just unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:32:15 GMT -5
You guys need to just realize that most people including me don't care what you think, we still dislike Roman Reigns. "Most people" is inaccurate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:32:38 GMT -5
It's actually ridiculous how much people on this board fail to accept that Roman Reigns is improving. He's not some green as goose sh*t guy in the ring anymore (nor he ever really was) and is rapidly improving. I still wish that Daniel Bryan was in the Main Event of WrestleMania but I've dealt with it, and unlike most of you, I'm allowing myself to like what the WWE is doing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:32:50 GMT -5
And that's the problem. Majority if Roman Reigns haters are too blinded by hate to realize how he's improving and find some sort of way to bitch about him. The guy could cure cancer and stop world hunger and people still wouldn't give him credit. I'm just tired of seeing countless Roman Reign threads. I still have not seen him improve and I will not be a fan of his until he impresses me with either a great promo or an incredible match and that is just unlikely. It doesn't matter. He can have a great match with (insert name here) and you'll credit the other guy. You just have a blind hatred. That's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:34:33 GMT -5
Ugh this isn't hard.
If he needs to improve...then he isn't ready.
If he's good in the ring but doesn't have the mic skills yet...then he isn't ready.
If he's just now "coming along" and people are "warming up to him"...then he isn't ready.
To be going over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for the World Title in the main event means he needs to be ready. Not almost. Not "with more time". Not "if he improves his mic skills". He needs to be ready or it's going to flop. Period.
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Post by drifter on Feb 25, 2015 0:35:21 GMT -5
It's actually ridiculous how much people on this board fail to accept that Roman Reigns is improving. He's not some green as goose sh*t guy in the ring anymore (nor he ever really was) and is rapidly improving. I still wish that Daniel Bryan was in the Main Event of WrestleMania but I've dealt with it, and unlike most of you, I'm allowing myself to like what the WWE is doing. The thing is a guy who people have to constantly say, 'he's improving,' should not be in the main event of their biggest show. After the Shield broke up, I was a fan of all three still, and the WWE's booking of Reigns, especially since the Rumble, has been making me dislike him. They're trying to present him as something, he is not yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:35:58 GMT -5
Ugh this isn't hard. If he needs to improve...then he isn't ready. If he's good in the ring but doesn't have the mic skills yet...then he isn't ready. If he's just now "coming along" and people are "warming up to him"...then he isn't ready. To be going over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for the World Title in the main event means he needs to be ready. Not almost. Not "with more time". Not "if he improves his mic skills". He needs to be ready or it's going to flop. Period. Maybe you should be watching the actual showing of Raw instead of a cut down 90 minute version to see that he has improved in both facets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:37:35 GMT -5
Ugh this isn't hard. If he needs to improve...then he isn't ready. If he's good in the ring but doesn't have the mic skills yet...then he isn't ready. If he's just now "coming along" and people are "warming up to him"...then he isn't ready. To be going over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for the World Title in the main event means he needs to be ready. Not almost. Not "with more time". Not "if he improves his mic skills". He needs to be ready or it's going to flop. Period. Maybe you should be watching the actual showing of Raw instead of a cut down 90 minute version to see that he has improved in both facets. He hasn't improved to the point where he should be main eventing Wrestlemania though.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 25, 2015 0:38:32 GMT -5
I'm just tired of seeing countless Roman Reign threads. I still have not seen him improve and I will not be a fan of his until he impresses me with either a great promo or an incredible match and that is just unlikely. It doesn't matter. He can have a great match with (insert name here) and you'll credit the other guy. You just have a blind hatred. That's fine. Nope he really just hasn't impress me yet and that match with Bryan wasn't that great as you people think. And that promo yesterday was boring as usual, so I'm going to stop here since there's no point in arguing with you guys who love and idolize him. Adios!
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 25, 2015 0:40:13 GMT -5
This is what I said in Bash's thread, and I feel this applies somewhat here. I still think it's funny that after Fastlane people were playing the "now he's ready" card, or basically implying that he was... I still say that if his readiness were in question a month before WM, then there is no way that man should be headlining the show/main event.. and I'm sorry, but 1 good match with one of the most talented wrestlers around doesn't prove a ton to me. You've got to string several in a row before you prove to me that you can reliably put on great matches, and he just hasn't done that yet. That said, I do believe there is a big upside to him, and he's still capable of putting on a good match with Brock. He's notably improved on the mic and somewhat in the ring. I don't have much of a problem with Roman being pushed to the main event level, but I do what a problem with him main eventing Wrestlemania. Why? because I literally feel he can't give us our money's worth yet. And I'm going, so I feel that I have a fair concern for "money's worth" lol.... He wasn't the best option match or story wise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:40:26 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. He can have a great match with (insert name here) and you'll credit the other guy. You just have a blind hatred. That's fine. Nope he really just hasn't impress me yet and that match with Bryan wasn't that great as you people think. And that promo yesterday was boring as usual, so I'm going to stop here since there's no point in arguing with you guys who love and idolize him. Adios! There's also no point arguing with you guys who hate him and don't want to concede anything about him has been good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:40:24 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. He can have a great match with (insert name here) and you'll credit the other guy. You just have a blind hatred. That's fine. Nope he really just hasn't impress me yet and that match with Bryan wasn't that great as you people think. And that promo yesterday was boring as usual, so I'm going to stop here since there's no point in arguing with you guys who love and idolize him. Adios! I don't remember saying I love or idolize him. Please, quote me if I did. I said he's improved. That's it. Reading is fun, man. The match with Bryan was damn good, the only people saying it wasn't, go figure, are the Roman haters. Therefore, your opinion on it is pretty irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 0:40:39 GMT -5
Ugh this isn't hard. If he needs to improve...then he isn't ready. If he's good in the ring but doesn't have the mic skills yet...then he isn't ready. If he's just now "coming along" and people are "warming up to him"...then he isn't ready. To be going over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania for the World Title in the main event means he needs to be ready. Not almost. Not "with more time". Not "if he improves his mic skills". He needs to be ready or it's going to flop. Period. Maybe you should be watching the actual showing of Raw instead of a cut down 90 minute version to see that he has improved in both facets. Ugh. I'm not saying he hasn't improved. I'm saying if there is THAT much room for improvement then he isn't ready. If he needed improvement in January then he wasn't ready when he won the Royal Rumble. If he needs improvement in February then it means he isn't ready to main event Wrestlemania. If he STILL needs improvement at Wrestlemania then it means his world title run will be a flop. I'm not anti-Reigns. I want him to succeed. I want a new star. However, it should be done the right way at the right time. I don't want him to be another Jack Swagger, Sheamus or Miz who gets a title run and a few years down the road is nowhere near the main event and we're stuck with Cena and Orton for another decade. This is in his best interest too. Not just mine as a fan.
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