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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2024 9:01:47 GMT -5
Truth be told, none of these are re-releases. Side by side with the original figures they are completely different other than the reuse of attires. Hand anyone off the street a series an E7 HHH and Vault HHH and ask them if they’re the same and no one would think that they are.
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Post by WOOOOOO on Mar 7, 2024 9:04:31 GMT -5
Would love them to do RSC Macho King,OG Elite Regal & OG Elite Cody Mattel lost the rights to Macho Man so Macho King is one figure that can't be re-released. |
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Post by WOOOOOO on Mar 7, 2024 9:10:09 GMT -5
Does anyone in here collect trading cards? Any sport doesn't matter which one. If so ask yourself this question. What would happen if all of a sudden Fleer re-released boxes of the 1986 basketball product? How about any company reprinting any series of cards from the past at all? They all could do it very easily. What happens to that market then? It collapses. The parallel to understand why people are upset about Mattel just re-releasing the most sought after figures that have high value points is easy to understand. Any collector likes having rare items. No one wants a room full of common junk you can find at a yard sale. At least not any serious collector.
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Post by JL24FPS on Mar 7, 2024 9:19:43 GMT -5
Instead of being upset that people have a chance to add some sought after figures to their collection, why not be happy you were able to get the "first edition" in your collection?
In any event, I think the only figure out of these I'd be interested in getting would be Kane, but I'll wait to see some in-hand photos. Some of these look goofy.
I have the original Dudleyz, while D-Von's likeness is a step up, Bubba's looks kinda strange.
This is also a Ringside exclusive line. Which means these still aren't going to be widely released figures.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2024 9:34:34 GMT -5
Does anyone in here collect trading cards? Any sport doesn't matter which one. If so ask yourself this question. What would happen if all of a sudden Fleer re-released boxes of the 1986 basketball product? How about any company reprinting any series of cards from the past at all? They all could do it very easily. What happens to that market then? It collapses. The parallel to understand why people are upset about Mattel just re-releasing the most sought after figures that have high value points is easy to understand. Any collector likes having rare items. No one wants a room full of common junk you can find at a yard sale. At least not any serious collector. But value and investment doesn’t drive the wrestling figure business. First and foremost it’s a kids line. But for the adult collector it’s nostalgia that draws us to the line. Most of us couldn’t care less how much monetary value our collection holds because it pales in comparison to the nostalgic value it brings. That being said, the could re-release a million Honus Wagner cards into the market and it wouldn’t devalue the original one penny. Same with comics. First issues and first appearances get reissued all the time and the originals still hold their value and more. |
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Post by DaFlo on Mar 7, 2024 9:40:01 GMT -5
Truth be told, none of these are re-releases. Side by side with the original figures they are completely different other than the reuse of attires. Hand anyone off the street a series an E7 HHH and Vault HHH and ask them if they’re the same and no one would think that they are. How is that Cena not a re-release? What did they change about Taker? |
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Post by crush on Mar 7, 2024 9:44:38 GMT -5
Does anyone in here collect trading cards? Any sport doesn't matter which one. If so ask yourself this question. What would happen if all of a sudden Fleer re-released boxes of the 1986 basketball product? How about any company reprinting any series of cards from the past at all? They all could do it very easily. What happens to that market then? It collapses. The parallel to understand why people are upset about Mattel just re-releasing the most sought after figures that have high value points is easy to understand. Any collector likes having rare items. No one wants a room full of common junk you can find at a yard sale. At least not any serious collector. Trading card and comic book companies release facsimile editions of classic cards and comics all the time. Comics especially has really glommed onto that trend in the last few years as a way to capitalize on on newly acquired mainstream popularity for characters who appear in movies and etc. They don't hurt the value or perceived collector prestige of owning the original. |
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Post by DaFlo on Mar 7, 2024 9:44:58 GMT -5
Does anyone in here collect trading cards? Any sport doesn't matter which one. If so ask yourself this question. What would happen if all of a sudden Fleer re-released boxes of the 1986 basketball product? How about any company reprinting any series of cards from the past at all? They all could do it very easily. What happens to that market then? It collapses. The parallel to understand why people are upset about Mattel just re-releasing the most sought after figures that have high value points is easy to understand. Any collector likes having rare items. No one wants a room full of common junk you can find at a yard sale. At least not any serious collector. But value and investment doesn’t drive the wrestling figure business. First and foremost it’s a kids line. But for the adult collector it’s nostalgia that draws us to the line. Most of us couldn’t care less how much monetary value our collection holds because it pales in comparison to the nostalgic value it brings. That being said, the could re-release a million Honus Wagner cards into the market and it wouldn’t devalue the original one penny. Same with comics. First issues and first appearances get reissued all the time and the originals still hold their value and more. I would have agreed with you if we were talking about this 10 years ago. But especially with the focus on Legends, MNW Elites etc., you cannot tell me that kids are their main target nowadays. Figures have become so expensive that kids will probably only be able to buy Basics. You think parents will pick up an Ultimate Edition at a retailer for 40$+? (or whatever they cost) I still think the OG figures will hold their value in the long run, it's just annoying because it kills the trading aspect in collecting. |
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Post by crush on Mar 7, 2024 9:45:51 GMT -5
Truth be told, none of these are re-releases. Side by side with the original figures they are completely different other than the reuse of attires. Hand anyone off the street a series an E7 HHH and Vault HHH and ask them if they’re the same and no one would think that they are. How is that Cena not a re-release? What did they change about Taker? Different articulation, different face-printing, and when MOC different packaging. They're rereleased attire, but there's going to be no way to mistake the old for the new. |
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Post by DaFlo on Mar 7, 2024 9:51:31 GMT -5
How is that Cena not a re-release? What did they change about Taker? Different articulation, different face-printing, and when MOC different packaging. They're rereleased attire, but there's going to be no way to mistake the old for the new. Looks like the same figure to me in a different box? Sorry but that is a re-release for me. Same outfit, same belts and chain. |
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Post by crush on Mar 7, 2024 9:55:17 GMT -5
Different articulation, different face-printing, and when MOC different packaging. They're rereleased attire, but there's going to be no way to mistake the old for the new. Looks like the same figure to me in a different box? Sorry but that is a re-release for me. Same outfit, same belts and chain. They're definitely re-releases in that regard. But, to use of them as an example, no one is going to to be able to mistake the vault version of Kane for an original Hardcore Kane exclusive even out of the package. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2024 10:01:47 GMT -5
But value and investment doesn’t drive the wrestling figure business. First and foremost it’s a kids line. But for the adult collector it’s nostalgia that draws us to the line. Most of us couldn’t care less how much monetary value our collection holds because it pales in comparison to the nostalgic value it brings. That being said, the could re-release a million Honus Wagner cards into the market and it wouldn’t devalue the original one penny. Same with comics. First issues and first appearances get reissued all the time and the originals still hold their value and more. I would have agreed with you if we were talking about this 10 years ago. But especially with the focus on Legends, MNW Elites etc., you cannot tell me that kids are their main target nowadays. Figures have become so expensive that kids will probably only be able to buy Basics. You think parents will pick up an Ultimate Edition at a retailer for 40$+? (or whatever they cost) I still think the OG figures will hold their value in the long run, it's just annoying because it kills the trading aspect in collecting. You’d be surprised what loving parents are willing to spend on their children. I am a parent and I buy my kid UE figs. I have close friends that do the same for their kids. I am not saying that Mattel doesn’t cater to the adult collector and that these are strictly for kids but their main demographic are children. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2024 10:05:57 GMT -5
Truth be told, none of these are re-releases. Side by side with the original figures they are completely different other than the reuse of attires. Hand anyone off the street a series an E7 HHH and Vault HHH and ask them if they’re the same and no one would think that they are. How is that Cena not a re-release? What did they change about Taker? Different paint apps, different articulation, different soft goods materials. A re-release would be taking the same exact figure and reissue it. That’s not what they did here. They’re all upgrades. |
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Post by DaFlo on Mar 7, 2024 10:23:50 GMT -5
How is that Cena not a re-release? What did they change about Taker? Different paint apps, different articulation, different soft goods materials. A re-release would be taking the same exact figure and reissue it. That’s not what they did here. They’re all upgrades. I think that the term is not quite clearly defined. In German, a re-release can also just be the edited re-release of an old figure. But to me, these figures look the same. Can you tell the difference?   |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2024 10:41:04 GMT -5
Different paint apps, different articulation, different soft goods materials. A re-release would be taking the same exact figure and reissue it. That’s not what they did here. They’re all upgrades. I think that the term is not quite clearly defined. In German, a re-release can also just be the edited re-release of an old figure. But to me, these figures look the same. Can you tell the difference? 100% I can tell the difference. No one looking at those two will ever mistake one for the other. They’re wearing the same attire but they’re not the same figure. For example. The retro Boba Fett I would consider a re-release. Same mold, same paint apps, side by side with the original it may be hard to spot the differences. But the vintage figure even tho it’s similar isn’t a re-release. It’s different articulation and paint apps, and a side by side comparison you’re not gonna confuse the two.  |
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Mar 7, 2024 10:42:57 GMT -5
"From the Vault" secretly means Mattel is stealing the value of people's collections lmao
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Mar 7, 2024 10:47:57 GMT -5
I think that the term is not quite clearly defined. In German, a re-release can also just be the edited re-release of an old figure. But to me, these figures look the same. Can you tell the difference? 100% I can tell the difference. No one looking at those two will ever mistake one for the other. They’re wearing the same attire but they’re not the same figure. For example. The retro Boba Fett I would consider a re-release. Same mold, same paint apps, side by side with the original it may be hard to spot the differences. But the vintage figure even tho it’s similar isn’t a re-release. It’s different articulation and paint apps, and a side by side comparison you’re not gonna confuse the two. dont mind me trying to spot the differences in the two Cenas but being able to clearly and distinctly tell the Fetts apart lol. It's like one of those "what's different" images |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Mar 7, 2024 11:05:55 GMT -5
"From the Vault" secretly means Mattel is stealing the value of people's collections lmao The REAL value was the MSRP, unofficial secondary parties put a “value” on it, and even then it wasn’t concrete. All of these figures ALWAYS WERE fair game for rereleases and improvements at some point. Mattel saw money in rereleasing them with improved articulation, heads and whatnot…so they did. The only value these should hold is what YOU assign to them. You want an investment, go with past lines, not Mattel WWE, because as long as they are a LIVE line (I mean a currently ongoing line) they are fair game, that’s the rule of all the MAJOR toy makers. You want to invest, play the stock market. Current mass produced lines and ultra modern trading cards aren’t a smart “investment”. |
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Post by jacobl18 on Mar 7, 2024 11:36:21 GMT -5
"From the Vault" secretly means Mattel is stealing the value of people's collections lmao Just wait until the Doink UE from the new gen crowd fund gets rereleased. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Mar 7, 2024 11:37:24 GMT -5
Would love them to do RSC Macho King,OG Elite Regal & OG Elite Cody Mattel lost the rights to Macho Man so Macho King is one figure that can't be re-released. no |
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