Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 19, 2024 5:46:46 GMT -5
It comes down to if they see it profitable. They still don’t have Macho Man back under a deal so I don’t think lower level names would be prioritised just as usual. Supposedly Headbangers and Dudley’s have deals and we still haven’t seen anything about figures for them. Macho merch was recently re added to wweshop and he will appear in 2k24. 99% he’s back under a deal. |
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 6:13:19 GMT -5
It comes down to if they see it profitable. They still don’t have Macho Man back under a deal so I don’t think lower level names would be prioritised just as usual. Supposedly Headbangers and Dudley’s have deals and we still haven’t seen anything about figures for them. Macho merch was recently re added to wweshop and he will appear in 2k24. 99% he’s back under a deal. Merchandise was not recently re added. It's the same merchandise that was up when his contract expired. They haven't added anything new. As for the game, we don't know the terms of his contract when it expired. Maybe they worked something out to include him or game production has different terms. If he did actually resign recently (he wasn't a couple months ago), I'm not sure if they would have enough time to get him in if he was completely scrapped. It's very possible that he is under a deal again, but there are other explanations to explain why he is still in the game. If he is under a deal, WWESHOP will definitely add new items eventually and they haven't yet. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 6:52:34 GMT -5
Since day one Mattel has said video games are different and just bet they are in a game doesn’t mean they are under a deal for figures. They say it every year when the 2K roster is unveiled. Granted more often than not the figures were eventually made, but not always.
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 7:46:53 GMT -5
Since day one Mattel has said video games are different and just bet they are in a game doesn’t mean they are under a deal for figures. They say it every year when the 2K roster is unveiled. Granted more often than not the figures were eventually made, but not always. That was years ago though. That might have been true then, but it seems that WWE has the same terms now for all merchandise, platforms, games, etc. Mattel hasn't said that recently and I believe it has been about 5+ years that a wrestler was in a game, but not under a Legends deal. There was a time that Mattel could sign their own talent too. Most likely Mattel's contract was up before 2K so they had to abide by the new terms before 2K (which would explain the couple of years that 2K could still make side deals while Mattel couldn't). Macho being in the new game either means he is under a deal again, his estate was already paid for being in the game prior to his contract expiring/terms included games already in progress or they worked out a deal with his estate to still include him. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 8:35:23 GMT -5
Since day one Mattel has said video games are different and just bet they are in a game doesn’t mean they are under a deal for figures. They say it every year when the 2K roster is unveiled. Granted more often than not the figures were eventually made, but not always. That was years ago though. That might have been true then, but it seems that WWE has the same terms now for all merchandise, platforms, games, etc. Mattel hasn't said that recently and I believe it has been about 5+ years that a wrestler was in a game, but not under a Legends deal. There was a time that Mattel could sign their own talent too. Most likely Mattel's contract was up before 2K so they had to abide by the new terms before 2K (which would explain the couple of years that 2K could still make side deals while Mattel couldn't). Macho being in the new game either means he is under a deal again, his estate was already paid for being in the game prior to his contract expiring/terms included games already in progress or they worked out a deal with his estate to still include him. They say it every year in one of their Q/A. Someone always brings up a wrestler announced in the game and Steve or Bill give that answer and say if they become available to them they’d love to do it. And correct they (Mattel) used to sign talent to figure deals. They signed Macho, Warrior, Steamboat and the Von Erichs to name a few. But then decided to let the WWE and save on that cost of individual contracts (which from a business sense make sense for Mattel) |
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 8:38:42 GMT -5
That was years ago though. That might have been true then, but it seems that WWE has the same terms now for all merchandise, platforms, games, etc. Mattel hasn't said that recently and I believe it has been about 5+ years that a wrestler was in a game, but not under a Legends deal. There was a time that Mattel could sign their own talent too. Most likely Mattel's contract was up before 2K so they had to abide by the new terms before 2K (which would explain the couple of years that 2K could still make side deals while Mattel couldn't). Macho being in the new game either means he is under a deal again, his estate was already paid for being in the game prior to his contract expiring/terms included games already in progress or they worked out a deal with his estate to still include him. They say it every year in one of their Q/A. Someone always brings up a wrestler announced in the game and Steve or Bill give that answer and say if they become available to them they’d love to do it. Okay, post screen prints or the video of them saying it every year in the Q&A. The last note I found was from 2019 regarding Haku having a Topps card. Bill hasnt answered questions on this board in years. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 8:42:17 GMT -5
They say it every year in one of their Q/A. Someone always brings up a wrestler announced in the game and Steve or Bill give that answer and say if they become available to them they’d love to do it. Okay, post screen prints or the video of them saying it every year in the Q&A. The last note I found was from 2019 regarding Haku having a Topps card. Bill hasnt answered questions on this board in years. They’ve done live streams on Instagram where both Bill and Steve have been part of them. I am not going to waste my time going back watching these videos to look for them. You can believe or don’t believe that’s up to you. |
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 8:46:52 GMT -5
Okay, post screen prints or the video of them saying it every year in the Q&A. The last note I found was from 2019 regarding Haku having a Topps card. Bill hasnt answered questions on this board in years. They’ve done live streams on Instagram where both Bill and Steve have been part of them. And I am not going to waste my time going back watching these videos to look for them. That's because they don't exist in recent years. It has been years since a wrestler appeared in the 2K games, but wasn't signed to a Legends deal. That's a fact. I believe the last person was Rick Martel. We have this same conversation every time a new wrestler is announced for the game but hasnt had a figure yet. Like Eric Bischoff when he was announced for the game and his figure was announced not too long after. Steve and Bill have not said that 2K could sign their own deal for years now (it is not every year). |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 8:55:49 GMT -5
Actually I think the last one that they said it was in 2K22 when people asked about Regal being back in the game. But like I said in the first post you replied to even when they say it more often than not the figure is eventually released. A new Regal has been the exception to it.
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 9:06:38 GMT -5
Actually I think the last one that they said it was in 2K22 when people asked about Regal being back in the game. But like I said in the first post you replied to even when they say it more often than not the figure is eventually released. A new Regal has been the exception to it. William Regal was released from WWE in January 2022 and the game came out in March 2022. Thats most likely the reason why a figure wasnt released. Not sure why someone would ask about a Regal figure being released (because he was in the game) if he was already released from WWE. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 9:39:20 GMT -5
Actually I think the last one that they said it was in 2K22 when people asked about Regal being back in the game. But like I said in the first post you replied to even when they say it more often than not the figure is eventually released. A new Regal has been the exception to it. William Regal was released from WWE in January 2022 and the game came out in March 2022. Thats most likely the reason why a figure wasnt released. Not sure why someone would ask about a Regal figure being released (because he was in the game) if he was already released from WWE. Part of me thinks they still say it because the roster is almost always revealed before WM now(last few years) or SDCC (back when the game was released Sept/Oct) and they want to keep the suspense/surprise of their figure reveals from being spoiled. |
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Post by stc13 on Feb 19, 2024 9:42:04 GMT -5
It’s not so much Vince as it was the concussion lawsuit. I feel like if that was resolved, the floodgates would open. The concussion suit has been resolved for a few years now. It was dismissed in 2020 and the Supreme Couty declined to hear an appeal in 2021. There were a few wrestlers who were originally in the suit who pulled out and took legends deals (Orndorff, Mable's widow). At this point the rest probably are either a case of they don't want to work with WWE or WWE doesn't want to work with them. |
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Post by stc13 on Feb 19, 2024 9:55:21 GMT -5
Okay, post screen prints or the video of them saying it every year in the Q&A. The last note I found was from 2019 regarding Haku having a Topps card. Bill hasnt answered questions on this board in years. They’ve done live streams on Instagram where both Bill and Steve have been part of them. I am not going to waste my time going back watching these videos to look for them. You can believe or don’t believe that’s up to you. PJ, I've listened to all the same interviews that you're referencing. You're giving those comments a lot more weight than they deserve, imo. 99% of contracts are going to overlap. Yes, there are rare situations where they don't. But most of those comments were around the time when Hogan was back under a WWE merch deal but they couldn't make him because his Storm figure contract hadn't run out and they were sick of people asking for Hogan ever three minutes. Sure, there will always be some oddball exceptions. But over the last 3-5 years, history has shown over and over that there is parity between licensed properties, and video games and cards have a much quicker turnaround time than action figures. Chyna, Bischoff, Steiners, Molly Holly, Stacey Keibler, re-signings of Shamrock, D'Lo Brown, Orndorff, and on and on all appeared elsewhere first. To act like we have no way of knowing who is probably available to Mattel just because Steve made a few vague comments about exceptions feels like not seeing the forest from the trees. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 19, 2024 10:14:24 GMT -5
They’ve done live streams on Instagram where both Bill and Steve have been part of them. I am not going to waste my time going back watching these videos to look for them. You can believe or don’t believe that’s up to you. PJ, I've listened to all the same interviews that you're referencing. You're giving those comments a lot more weight than they deserve, imo. 99% of contracts are going to overlap. Yes, there are rare situations where they don't. But most of those comments were around the time when Hogan was back under a WWE merch deal but they couldn't make him because his Storm figure contract hadn't run out and they were sick of people asking for Hogan ever three minutes. Sure, there will always be some oddball exceptions. But over the last 3-5 years, history has shown over and over that there is parity between licensed properties, and video games and cards have a much quicker turnaround time than action figures. Chyna, Bischoff, Steiners, Molly Holly, Stacey Keibler, re-signings of Shamrock, D'Lo Brown, Orndorff, and on and on all appeared elsewhere first. To act like we have no way of knowing who is probably available to Mattel just because Steve made a few vague comments about exceptions feels like not seeing the forest from the trees. Like I said most times they say it the figure is eventually released with the next year or so than not. I think they say it now because it seems the roster reveals come right before one of Mattel’s events (WM Axxess or SDCC when the game was a fall release) and Mattel don’t want their showing’s spoiled. |
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Post by kirk815 on Feb 19, 2024 10:17:40 GMT -5
They’ve done live streams on Instagram where both Bill and Steve have been part of them. I am not going to waste my time going back watching these videos to look for them. You can believe or don’t believe that’s up to you. PJ, I've listened to all the same interviews that you're referencing. You're giving those comments a lot more weight than they deserve, imo. 99% of contracts are going to overlap. Yes, there are rare situations where they don't. But most of those comments were around the time when Hogan was back under a WWE merch deal but they couldn't make him because his Storm figure contract hadn't run out and they were sick of people asking for Hogan ever three minutes. Sure, there will always be some oddball exceptions. But over the last 3-5 years, history has shown over and over that there is parity between licensed properties, and video games and cards have a much quicker turnaround time than action figures. Chyna, Bischoff, Steiners, Molly Holly, Stacey Keibler, re-signings of Shamrock, D'Lo Brown, Orndorff, and on and on all appeared elsewhere first. To act like we have no way of knowing who is probably available to Mattel just because Steve made a few vague comments about exceptions feels like not seeing the forest from the trees. Adding to the turnaround point - games and cards are an ensembles - you buy the game and get a whole list of wrestlers or you buy a pack of cards. With figures, there are only so many slots available a year for release and you have to worry about individual sales/warming/retailer interest/ budgets /molds/accessories (things that don't really matter for games/cards). Just another reason why it is faster for wrestlers to appear in the games and cards. Assuming Regal signed a Legends/merch contract in 2020/2021 to appear in 2K22, I doubt Mattel was in a rush to get him out (they probably felt his job was pretty secure until the former CEO went scorched earth and released him). Adding to that, his last elite warmed really bad. |
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Post by nomorexclusives on Feb 19, 2024 11:06:04 GMT -5
Bad news brown
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Post by MKSavage on Feb 19, 2024 13:18:46 GMT -5
Bad news brown Superfly jimmy snuka Jesse the body ventura Dino Bravo the Rougeau Brothers the Mountie Demolition Repo Man Ronnie Garvin Hercules Paul Roma Marty Jannetty to name a few more... |
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Feb 20, 2024 12:07:31 GMT -5
Are there any new legends in the 24 game?
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Feb 20, 2024 12:09:23 GMT -5
I think we end up losing more names than we gain with this Vince McMahon lawsuit. We’re probably about to see a lot of people brought up in this that will kill whatever chances we ever had of getting figures.
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Post by Grenouille on Feb 20, 2024 12:36:15 GMT -5
Are there any new legends in the 24 game? Not yet. Everyone revealed thus far (about half) has already had a figure made. |
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