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Post by Roy Alrumblay on Jul 18, 2024 3:51:25 GMT -5
4 weeks.
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Post by misterfigi on Jul 18, 2024 5:46:09 GMT -5
The last post two days ago I read he said how they are clearing customs now and shipping labels will start to be printed once they do. I assume the next excuse will be SDCC is here so he will have to delay shipment until afterwards. Maybe we will see the NOW IN STOCK & READY TO SHIP Power and Glory by August 20th!
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 18, 2024 9:12:26 GMT -5
The last post two days ago I read he said how they are clearing customs now and shipping labels will start to be printed once they do. I assume the next excuse will be SDCC is here so he will have to delay shipment until afterwards. Maybe we will see the NOW IN STOCK & READY TO SHIP Power and Glory by August 2025 fixed it for ya
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 18, 2024 9:16:31 GMT -5
EXACTLY this. I truly don't understand how the guy isn't losing his shirt on stuff like this...
he claimed on MWFP that he had made a quarter of a million of dollars of "profit" from his original preorder of Series 1 figures (before all of the repeated sales since)
so obviously he's raked in enough from the preorders/sales of these figures to take a hit on every production run it seems
*if you believe his hyperbole that is.....
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Post by mrh on Jul 19, 2024 0:22:33 GMT -5
I actually do believe he could have made 250,000 on the first series.
But how long does that money last when you're doing stupid stuff like Bruce Lee, and now you're starting to produce terrible figures?
I bet he made a ton off profit of Danhausen and probably Punk, but I bet it's all eventually going to catch up with him...
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 19, 2024 1:21:58 GMT -5
I actually do believe he could have made 250,000 on the first series. But how long does that money last when you're doing stupid stuff like Bruce Lee, and now you're starting to produce terrible figures? I bet he made a ton off profit of Danhausen and probably Punk, but I bet it's all eventually going to catch up with him... I just can't see it personally, 250k at a 40 dollar profit (which is probably the maximum per figure IMO) would mean he shifted around 6250 figures (1250 of each) to pocket that much
so how many of S1 did he actually produce to begin with, considering he's still got stock available of Series 1 figures, not including the inventory shared with resellers too, and they've been on sale again and again since S1 was first released (though I suspect S1 has undergone at least 1 re-run from the factory)
Mattel can't sell out of their Retros which are just $10 more than a ZST for a pack of four, but he managed to shift thousands of figures, and the profit has carried him this far? same with Sandman, he claims to have "sold out" of 1776 figures? (but didn't mention that other distributors also have them available?)
he's a good salesman, but he's also great at BS'ing to shill his own product
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Jul 19, 2024 3:25:36 GMT -5
I actually do believe he could have made 250,000 on the first series. But how long does that money last when you're doing stupid stuff like Bruce Lee, and now you're starting to produce terrible figures? I bet he made a ton off profit of Danhausen and probably Punk, but I bet it's all eventually going to catch up with him... I just can't see it personally, 250k at a 40 dollar profit (which is probably the maximum per figure IMO) would mean he shifted around 6250 figures (1250 of each) to pocket that much
so how many of S1 did he actually produce to begin with, considering he's still got stock available of Series 1 figures, not including the inventory shared with resellers too, and they've been on sale again and again since S1 was first released (though I suspect S1 has undergone at least 1 re-run from the factory)
Mattel can't sell out of their Retros which are just $10 more than a ZST for a pack of four, but he managed to shift thousands of figures, and the profit has carried him this far? same with Sandman, he claims to have "sold out" of 1776 figures? (but didn't mention that other distributors also have them available?)
he's a good salesman, but he's also great at BS'ing to shill his own product
How's he great at BS 'ing when nobody believes anything he says anymore? 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 19, 2024 3:58:11 GMT -5
Not everyone has caught on/not everyone cares.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 19, 2024 4:13:32 GMT -5
Not everyone has caught on/not everyone cares. I think my main criticism of ZST figures now is not the stance (though Series 4 all do look the same) but more that they just don't fit in now alongside of the other lines
at least G+G's shift to more robust moulded plastic pieces rather than the hollow shells previously means they'll look closer to Hasbros/Retros/Epic and even newer FCs when displayed in a lineup
but the overly detailed figures that ZST have become means they look out of place against the others, and I don't think many collectors have the space for individual shelves dedicated to specific lines - the moving wrists were a nice touch, so Bundy for example can do the 5 count pose, and a chest slap by a flick of the wrist - good idea
but when you factor in the interchangeable hands and the extreme levels of details on faces like Booger/upcoming Gage etc, it seems like ZST is pitching to become the 'Elite' line in the retro scale, but moving away from the slightly cartoonish essence which made everyone fans of them in the first place
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Post by kojikanemoto on Jul 19, 2024 9:46:33 GMT -5
They’re all fine together IMO. I’m looking forward to Sandman
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Post by mrh on Jul 19, 2024 18:18:10 GMT -5
I actually do believe he could have made 250,000 on the first series. But how long does that money last when you're doing stupid stuff like Bruce Lee, and now you're starting to produce terrible figures? I bet he made a ton off profit of Danhausen and probably Punk, but I bet it's all eventually going to catch up with him... I just can't see it personally, 250k at a 40 dollar profit (which is probably the maximum per figure IMO) would mean he shifted around 6250 figures (1250 of each) to pocket that much
so how many of S1 did he actually produce to begin with, considering he's still got stock available of Series 1 figures, not including the inventory shared with resellers too, and they've been on sale again and again since S1 was first released (though I suspect S1 has undergone at least 1 re-run from the factory)
Mattel can't sell out of their Retros which are just $10 more than a ZST for a pack of four, but he managed to shift thousands of figures, and the profit has carried him this far? same with Sandman, he claims to have "sold out" of 1776 figures? (but didn't mention that other distributors also have them available?)
he's a good salesman, but he's also great at BS'ing to shill his own product
I LOVE this conversation.
I could *definitely* see him selling 6,250 of that first series. I guarantee he sold more (remember -- that would be 250,000 profit after all his expenses and start-up costs).
1,250 of each of those five guys definitely seems doable to me, especially given that two of those were Myers and Cardona -- who people buy so much stuff of, and they really put over Zombie and his figures also.
Dino Bravo and Earl Hebner were always Hasbro dream figures (especially Hebner). Sabu is very popular.
Yes -- Mattel is cheaper and can't sell out, but I guarantee they are making *much* more than 1,250 of each.
He was also first to market with them. In sum, I def. see him having that many customers initially.
Now, however, with the quality absolute garbage and amazing options out there, I can't imagine he is going to last. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by taserface on Jul 20, 2024 7:59:51 GMT -5
I don’t get the hate for this line on here. I’ve bought some of everyone of these small companies Hasbro style figures (except whoever did the Max Moon, etc)
While I can’t complain about the others, ZST blow the others away in my opinion
I couldn’t care less if he’s a prick or a carny
If you don’t like the preorder wait, then WAIT until they come in stock. 99% will be in stock for sale at some point
Most people outside this board, preordering these understand there may be a long wait. It’s a tiny company that you know gets bumped all the time for something else. Don’t you think he’d love to be pumping these out constantly?
And this is not a knock on the other companies, they are great too. But to say these ZST are trash is just ridiculous
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 20, 2024 10:23:05 GMT -5
taserface If we put aside the person behind the figures, I think you can judge several of his business practices as being trash. If someone who knew nothing about Hasbros were to get an equal mix of figures from each company and say “which of these is least like the Hasbros, ZST would likely rank last 9 times out of 10. That doesn’t mean the figures themselves are bad in a vacuum…but the style and details are not “the best” that he has marketed himself as. What good are details if they are a detriment to a figure? I’m talking those gums, teeth, and lips! And the arm thing is pretty inexcusable. I am fairly certain he is the only one out there who likes it but as long as they sell, our criticisms are meaningless…but it won’t help your sales any either (especially with people choosing to spend money on his competitors).
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Post by taserface on Jul 20, 2024 11:05:27 GMT -5
taserface If we put aside the person behind the figures, I think you can judge several of his business practices as being trash. If someone who knew nothing about Hasbros were to get an equal mix of figures from each company and say “which of these is least like the Hasbros, ZST would likely rank last 9 times out of 10. That doesn’t mean the figures themselves are bad in a vacuum…but the style and details are not “the best” that he has marketed himself as. What good are details if they are a detriment to a figure? I’m talking those gums, teeth, and lips! And the arm thing is pretty inexcusable. I am fairly certain he is the only one out there who likes it but as long as they sell, our criticisms are meaningless…but it won’t help your sales any either (especially with people choosing to spend money on his competitors). Maybe so. I guess I’m just a different type of collector I don’t care if they are perfect with old Hasbro’s I just ordered Boris and Onita and The Quebecors because they are guys with little or zero figure representation that interest me. If Zombie were to release them on down the line. I’ll more than likely get them too ZST - Dino Bravo, Kevin Sullivan, OMG, Slick, etc. automatic buys, but if Epic or Hasttel or FC puts a version out, then I’d order them too All I know is the flyers I get from Zombie, I find myself looking at them frequently, saying damn, I can’t wait for the figures to become available. Much more so than the other companies. All of them have flaws (just like billion dollar Mattel does) but I can look over most of them If not I don’t get, or I get rid of (I hated BRG Andre in hand and sold it immediately). Luckily I’ve been pleased with all the different brands of ppl I’ve bought in Hasbro style
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Post by crush on Jul 21, 2024 0:42:36 GMT -5
Going by anecdotal observation, I think there’s a little bit of a bubble on here as far as thinking that Zombie’s figures looking like heavily detailed and etc. is a bug as opposed to a feature. But again, that’s just based on my observation of others as I don’t actively collect any of these retro lines.
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Post by mrh on Jul 21, 2024 2:23:19 GMT -5
Going by anecdotal observation, I think there’s a little bit of a bubble on here as far as thinking that Zombie’s figures looking like heavily detailed and etc. is a bug as opposed to a feature. But again, that’s just based on my observation of others as I don’t actively collect any of these retro lines.
Not to be rude, but if you don't collect retros, it's probably not the right thing to be commenting on.
Zombie didn't come out and say he was creating a brand new figure line. He came out and said he was creating a line styled after the Hasbros, and that his figures would be the closest thing to them. He was marketing them as the closest thing to Hasbros anyone could find -- and as far as I'm aware, he still frames things that way.
Since you don't buy any retro figures, it would make sense that your views/concerns are different than many posting here. But Zombie has invited and encouraged any criticism of his figures not looking like Hasbros, because his entire line was initially built on that premise
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 21, 2024 4:25:44 GMT -5
Going by anecdotal observation, I think there’s a little bit of a bubble on here as far as thinking that Zombie’s figures looking like heavily detailed and etc. is a bug as opposed to a feature. But again, that’s just based on my observation of others as I don’t actively collect any of these retro lines. But Zombie has invited and encouraged any criticism of his figures not looking like Hasbros, because his entire line was initially built on that premise
you're right, he does still frame his line as a Hasbro-esque style, except they clearly haven't been since Jarrett, and judging by the designs for Series 3 and 4, he's moved on from Hasbro styling to his own thing.
the legs apart stance and gibbon-styled arms are obviously fundamental to his style going forward, and the detailing on Booger or Herc's faces are (in my view) "too much" for a retro styled figure, Andre stands out like a sore thumb when it comes to facial details compared to similar figures from official and independent sources, so this is the norm for ZST going forward. I just find it odd that he's putting so much effort into facial detailing but can't seem to scale the arms back by half an inch
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Post by micco on Jul 21, 2024 8:10:21 GMT -5
taserface If we put aside the person behind the figures, I think you can judge several of his business practices as being trash. If someone who knew nothing about Hasbros were to get an equal mix of figures from each company and say “which of these is least like the Hasbros, ZST would likely rank last 9 times out of 10. That doesn’t mean the figures themselves are bad in a vacuum…but the style and details are not “the best” that he has marketed himself as. What good are details if they are a detriment to a figure? I’m talking those gums, teeth, and lips! And the arm thing is pretty inexcusable. I am fairly certain he is the only one out there who likes it but as long as they sell, our criticisms are meaningless…but it won’t help your sales any either (especially with people choosing to spend money on his competitors). If they sell, and keep selling, that usually means people like them.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 21, 2024 8:24:16 GMT -5
micco Not sure what angle you’re taking here. If you are trying to suggest people like the longer arms, I challenge you find evidence of it. I can’t think of a single person on here, on Instagram, with a podcast, or in ANY Facebook group that said they prefer the long arms. I made it a point that they were selling so it didn’t matter. I personally do not like them but I am also not passing up opportunities to own what may likely be the only figure made of certain people that are close to the size of Hasbros. But Zombie has invited and encouraged any criticism of his figures not looking like Hasbros, because his entire line was initially built on that premise
you're right, he does still frame his line as a Hasbro-esque style, except they clearly haven't been since Jarrett, and judging by the designs for Series 3 and 4, he's moved on from Hasbro styling to his own thing. the legs apart stance and gibbon-styled arms are obviously fundamental to his style going forward, and the detailing on Booger or Herc's faces are (in my view) "too much" for a retro styled figure, Andre stands out like a sore thumb when it comes to facial details compared to similar figures from official and independent sources, so this is the norm for ZST going forward. I just find it odd that he's putting so much effort into facial detailing but can't seem to scale the arms back by half an inch
Except Scorpio, Aldo Montoya, Bob Holly, and arguably Candido and Busick. Off the top of my head, those deviate from his new norm. I’m not sure what that will mean for other figures going forward.
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Post by kojikanemoto on Jul 21, 2024 12:21:34 GMT -5
I love em all, despite the flaws. Some are better than others of course but as I’ve said before, these are literally dreams coming true for me.
Just specifically on the stances, series 4 all being alike doesn’t help the perception of the “mini statues.” But for example I think Tajiri’s stance is perfect for him, it just suffers a bit from being in the series with Douglas, Awesome and Tanaka. Like Tanaka’s bent arm is cool, if the legs were positioned a little differently it’d have much more of a Hasbro vibe. Awesome should/could get the open hands from Herc and it would change it up a bit too.
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