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Post by sandeep on Apr 29, 2021 12:46:42 GMT -5
Jungle boy carrying luchasaurus in the packaging is hilarious, only an idiot will keep it moc. In my opinion the regular one is meant to be kept MOC and should have higher price point.
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 13:13:01 GMT -5
I mean, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree on whether it’s a variant or not. That’s fine, I don’t think it is, but we can disagree. My beef is the extra $5 they’re squeezing out of FOMO buyers and hardcore collectors. Like, that just isn’t ethical. It’s the same toy, in the same package.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Apr 29, 2021 13:15:53 GMT -5
These same people ooze their panties over carding variations on LJNs & Hasbros...
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Apr 29, 2021 13:31:21 GMT -5
Very loose interpretation of the word different. I wouldn’t mind if they sold the two at the same price, that’s whatever. Pretending it’s a variant so you can charge an extra $5 is obvious exploitation. "Different" literally means "not the same" and they're not the same. Your problem isn't that it's a variant, your problem is that they are charging more for one than the other. I mean, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree on whether it’s a variant or not. That’s fine, I don’t think it is, but we can disagree. My beef is the extra $5 they’re squeezing out of FOMO buyers and hardcore collectors. Like, that just isn’t ethical. It’s the same toy, in the same package. It is a variant. It's not a matter of opinion. Whether or not you think it's fair is unrelated to being a variant. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 13:34:01 GMT -5
I mean, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree on whether it’s a variant or not. That’s fine, I don’t think it is, but we can disagree. My beef is the extra $5 they’re squeezing out of FOMO buyers and hardcore collectors. Like, that just isn’t ethical. It’s the same toy, in the same package. What's not ethical about it? If those people are willing to pay it, then clearly that's what it's worth. |
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 13:50:19 GMT -5
Very loose interpretation of the word different. I wouldn’t mind if they sold the two at the same price, that’s whatever. Pretending it’s a variant so you can charge an extra $5 is obvious exploitation. "Different" literally means "not the same" and they're not the same. Your problem isn't that it's a variant, your problem is that they are charging more for one than the other. I mean, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree on whether it’s a variant or not. That’s fine, I don’t think it is, but we can disagree. My beef is the extra $5 they’re squeezing out of FOMO buyers and hardcore collectors. Like, that just isn’t ethical. It’s the same toy, in the same package. It is a variant. It's not a matter of opinion. Whether or not you think it's fair is unrelated to being a variant. Lol mate what we do and don’t find to be variants is completely subjective. You think that the bubble swap is enough to be considered different, I don’t. We disagree, no ones right, no ones wrong. There is no objectivity on personal opinion, and you can’t enforce your opinion as fact. |
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 14:14:59 GMT -5
I mean, at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree on whether it’s a variant or not. That’s fine, I don’t think it is, but we can disagree. My beef is the extra $5 they’re squeezing out of FOMO buyers and hardcore collectors. Like, that just isn’t ethical. It’s the same toy, in the same package. What's not ethical about it? If those people are willing to pay it, then clearly that's what it's worth. I just can’t agree with this logic. People pay up to $1000 a month for insulin, and I’m sure they’re aware that insulin isn’t worth $1000 a month. Obviously people need insulin, people don’t need toys, but the core tenant remains: price gauging. That “variant” isn’t worth $5 extra, it’s the same toy, in the same package. Jazwares/RS control the market so they can charge whatever they like, but it’s up to the consumers to hold them accountable when they’re out of line. Yes, you slap the word “variant” or “chase” or “rare” on any desirable collectible and people will buy it, and that’s fine, but the product itself needs to have a demonstrable difference to warrant a price increase. This doesn’t, it’s the same toy. I don’t know how others don’t see the absurdity in this |
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Apr 29, 2021 14:20:32 GMT -5
"Different" literally means "not the same" and they're not the same. Your problem isn't that it's a variant, your problem is that they are charging more for one than the other. It is a variant. It's not a matter of opinion. Whether or not you think it's fair is unrelated to being a variant. Lol mate what we do and don’t find to be variants is completely subjective. You think that the bubble swap is enough to be considered different, I don’t. We disagree, no ones right, no ones wrong. There is no objectivity on personal opinion, and you can’t enforce your opinion as fact. Here's the issue. You acknowledge that there are two different versions. One version has Jungle Boy on the shoulders of Luchasaurus, the other version has Luchasaurus on the shoulders of Jungle Boy. This is simply a fact. There are two different versions. The fact that there are different versions means that there are different variants. That is factual. That is saying the same thing twice. What you are TRYING to say is that, in your opinion, charging more for one variant doesn't make sense. In your opinion, counting them as a different set because of how they're positioned doesn't make sense. These are valid opinions. This is the kind of thing you're trying to say, but you're not saying it. What you are ACTUALLY saying is that there are not two different versions of this set. But that's incorrect, because there are two versions. Whether or not you need to buy both of them is up to you. Your opinions on how they're priced are your own as well. But their existence is not debatable. They count as variants. That doesn't mean you have to collect both versions, particularly if you plan to open them. I don't know how to make it any more clear. You are entitled to your opinions obviously, but you're not articulating them correctly. You are contradicting fact instead of stating your opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 14:30:21 GMT -5
What's not ethical about it? If those people are willing to pay it, then clearly that's what it's worth. I just can’t agree with this logic. People pay up to $1000 a month for insulin, and I’m sure they’re aware that insulin isn’t worth $1000 a month. Obviously people need insulin, people don’t need toys, but the core tenant remains: price gauging. That “variant” isn’t worth $5 extra, it’s the same toy, in the same package. Jazwares/RS control the market so they can charge whatever they like, but it’s up to the consumers to hold them accountable when they’re out of line. Yes, you slap the word “variant” or “chase” or “rare” on any desirable collectible and people will buy it, and that’s fine, but the product itself needs to have a demonstrable difference to warrant a price increase. This doesn’t, it’s the same toy. I don’t know how others don’t see the absurdity in this People in your country pay up to $1000 for insulin because your country's health care system is a joke, and proof that free market economics shouldn't extend to health care. Something basically every other first world country already knows. Exploiting poor people is literally the opposite of why capitalism was invented. (I suppose I'm assuming your American, but I assume if you weren't you would have said 'people in america pay up to...' and so forth) Artificial scarcity only works if consumers endorse it. Do I think it's ridiculous to pay an extra $5 to have Luchasaurus on top in the package? Yeah, so I'm not buying it. The package itself looks pretty cool so if it ever dropped to the same price as the regular I'd consider getting that as a MOC version since the package is cool and Lucha on top cracks me up. I'm not willing to pay anything over regular price on it though. So yeah, I think it's absurd to spend $5 to have a slightly different package. No argument there. I would never spend my money on that. But if someone else thinks that's worth it, hey go hard. Like you said, it's the same figure. It's not like I'm getting priced out of a cool attire like the early series' chase figures. |
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 15:07:06 GMT -5
Lol mate what we do and don’t find to be variants is completely subjective. You think that the bubble swap is enough to be considered different, I don’t. We disagree, no ones right, no ones wrong. There is no objectivity on personal opinion, and you can’t enforce your opinion as fact. Here's the issue. You acknowledge that there are two different versions. One version has Jungle Boy on the shoulders of Luchasaurus, the other version has Luchasaurus on the shoulders of Jungle Boy. This is simply a fact. There are two different versions. The fact that there are different versions means that there are different variants. That is factual. That is saying the same thing twice. What you are TRYING to say is that, in your opinion, charging more for one variant doesn't make sense. In your opinion, counting them as a different set because of how they're positioned doesn't make sense. These are valid opinions. This is the kind of thing you're trying to say, but you're not saying it. What you are ACTUALLY saying is that there are not two different versions of this set. But that's incorrect, because there are two versions. Whether or not you need to buy both of them is up to you. Your opinions on how they're priced are your own as well. But their existence is not debatable. They count as variants. That doesn't mean you have to collect both versions, particularly if you plan to open them. I don't know how to make it any more clear. You are entitled to your opinions obviously, but you're not articulating them correctly. You are contradicting fact instead of stating your opinion. Bill my boy, listen listen listen. I don’t think this is a variant. It’s the same toy. The toy has gotta have some difference to be a variant in my eyes, not positioned differently in the package. Jazwares/RSC can call it a variant all they want, doesn’t mean it actually is. I will repeat: it is the same toy. They’re selling a second version where the toys are in different positions in the bubble, but they’re the same toys. Don’t let that fool you. They’re pulling a fast one on ya bill my boy, telling you they’re selling two products when they’re really selling you one except one of them says variant and they’re charging $5 extra. This is how they get you to pay more money for the same product. See how both arguments I have are dependent to each other and work together to point toward a conclusion: toys not a variant, shouldn’t be charging people $5 extra. You can disagree with that Bill, that’s cool. You’re not wrong, you’re not right. You disagree with my argument. Your issue Billy is you present your argument as fact, which makes you look like a ninny. I don’t agree with your definition of a variant, I think your definition is silly especially in this context, but hey that’s what you classify as a variant. That’s cool. Just stop presenting your opinion on things as fact, it’s just not productive and insufferable to entertain. |
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 15:09:44 GMT -5
I just can’t agree with this logic. People pay up to $1000 a month for insulin, and I’m sure they’re aware that insulin isn’t worth $1000 a month. Obviously people need insulin, people don’t need toys, but the core tenant remains: price gauging. That “variant” isn’t worth $5 extra, it’s the same toy, in the same package. Jazwares/RS control the market so they can charge whatever they like, but it’s up to the consumers to hold them accountable when they’re out of line. Yes, you slap the word “variant” or “chase” or “rare” on any desirable collectible and people will buy it, and that’s fine, but the product itself needs to have a demonstrable difference to warrant a price increase. This doesn’t, it’s the same toy. I don’t know how others don’t see the absurdity in this People in your country pay up to $1000 for insulin because your country's health care system is a joke, and proof that free market economics shouldn't extend to health care. Something basically every other first world country already knows. Exploiting poor people is literally the opposite of why capitalism was invented. (I suppose I'm assuming your American, but I assume if you weren't you would have said 'people in america pay up to...' and so forth) Artificial scarcity only works if consumers endorse it. Do I think it's ridiculous to pay an extra $5 to have Luchasaurus on top in the package? Yeah, so I'm not buying it. The package itself looks pretty cool so if it ever dropped to the same price as the regular I'd consider getting that as a MOC version since the package is cool and Lucha on top cracks me up. I'm not willing to pay anything over regular price on it though. So yeah, I think it's absurd to spend $5 to have a slightly different package. No argument there. I would never spend my money on that. But if someone else thinks that's worth it, hey go hard. Like you said, it's the same figure. It's not like I'm getting priced out of a cool attire like the early series' chase figures. I uhh... I was talking about price gauging. |
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Apr 29, 2021 15:26:44 GMT -5
Here's the issue. You acknowledge that there are two different versions. One version has Jungle Boy on the shoulders of Luchasaurus, the other version has Luchasaurus on the shoulders of Jungle Boy. This is simply a fact. There are two different versions. The fact that there are different versions means that there are different variants. That is factual. That is saying the same thing twice. What you are TRYING to say is that, in your opinion, charging more for one variant doesn't make sense. In your opinion, counting them as a different set because of how they're positioned doesn't make sense. These are valid opinions. This is the kind of thing you're trying to say, but you're not saying it. What you are ACTUALLY saying is that there are not two different versions of this set. But that's incorrect, because there are two versions. Whether or not you need to buy both of them is up to you. Your opinions on how they're priced are your own as well. But their existence is not debatable. They count as variants. That doesn't mean you have to collect both versions, particularly if you plan to open them. I don't know how to make it any more clear. You are entitled to your opinions obviously, but you're not articulating them correctly. You are contradicting fact instead of stating your opinion. Bill my boy, listen listen listen. I don’t think this is a variant. It’s the same toy. The toy has gotta have some difference to be a variant in my eyes, not positioned differently in the package. Jazwares/RSC can call it a variant all they want, doesn’t mean it actually is. I will repeat: it is the same toy. They’re selling a second version where the toys are in different positions in the bubble, but they’re the same toys. Don’t let that fool you. They’re pulling a fast one on ya bill my boy, telling you they’re selling two products when they’re really selling you one except one of them says variant and they’re charging $5 extra. This is how they get you to pay more money for the same product. See how both arguments I have are dependent to each other and work together to point toward a conclusion: toys not a variant, shouldn’t be charging people $5 extra. You can disagree with that Bill, that’s cool. You’re not wrong, you’re not right. You disagree with my argument. Your issue Billy is you present your argument as fact, which makes you look like a ninny. I don’t agree with your definition of a variant, I think your definition is silly especially in this context, but hey that’s what you classify as a variant. That’s cool. Just stop presenting your opinion on things as fact, it’s just not productive and insufferable to entertain. I understand everything you are saying. You are correct in saying the toys are the same in both sets. You are allowed to say that they should cost the same amount. But when you say "they're selling a second version where the toys are in different positions in the bubble" you're admitting that there are two versions. I understand that you're saying they shouldn't be counted as separate toys and everybody needs one of each. I understand that you can't tell the difference once they are loose. But there are two versions of the packaging and by definition that constitutes a variant. Buy one. Buy both. Buy neither. I don't care. But there are two versions. There is a variant. That's how it works. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 15:27:19 GMT -5
People in your country pay up to $1000 for insulin because your country's health care system is a joke, and proof that free market economics shouldn't extend to health care. Something basically every other first world country already knows. Exploiting poor people is literally the opposite of why capitalism was invented. (I suppose I'm assuming your American, but I assume if you weren't you would have said 'people in america pay up to...' and so forth) Artificial scarcity only works if consumers endorse it. Do I think it's ridiculous to pay an extra $5 to have Luchasaurus on top in the package? Yeah, so I'm not buying it. The package itself looks pretty cool so if it ever dropped to the same price as the regular I'd consider getting that as a MOC version since the package is cool and Lucha on top cracks me up. I'm not willing to pay anything over regular price on it though. So yeah, I think it's absurd to spend $5 to have a slightly different package. No argument there. I would never spend my money on that. But if someone else thinks that's worth it, hey go hard. Like you said, it's the same figure. It's not like I'm getting priced out of a cool attire like the early series' chase figures. I uhh... I was talking about price gauging. Yes, you're saying it's price gouging, which in this case would be the result of artificial scarcity created by it being a smaller run. That's half the appeal behind "variants" is their scarcity. Which, is artificially created. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 29, 2021 15:29:10 GMT -5
It’s a packaging variant. There doesn’t need to be something different about the figures themselves to be a variant.
Not sure what’s so complicated about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 15:29:12 GMT -5
Also:
var·i·ant | \ ˈver-ē-ənt \
Definition of variant (Entry 1 of 2)
1: manifesting variety, deviation, or disagreement
2: varying usually slightly from the standard form
variant readings
variant spellings
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Post by Warrior82 on Apr 29, 2021 15:40:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it's just a packing variation. Plus, it's a fun little nod, because Jungle Boy did carry Luchasaurus out to the ramp one time, didn't he? Now, I don't know if the variant set needs to cost more or not, but at the same time I am sure there are significantly less versions made of the "Boy and His Dinosaur" set.
Just a fun variant, and if you want it, those are the prices and there it is.
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 15:55:56 GMT -5
I get the argument fellas. I just don’t agree with it. For a product to be a variant it needs to have a demonstrable change to the product itself. If jungle boy came with pink pants or the package is expanded upon to be more grandiose, that in my eyes would be a variant. This, whatever Jazwares/RS is doing here, isn’t a variant to me. It’s a cash grab to pressure people into buying two of these or buying the more expensive and rarer of the two. Disguising it as a variant. The issue is the two products themselves are identical in what you’re actually buying and the “difference” isn’t nearly great enough to warrant what a variant is when discussing collectibles. I think that’s unethical, but hey, that’s my opinion.
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Post by usedtopostin2000 on Apr 29, 2021 16:33:51 GMT -5
I get the argument fellas. I just don’t agree with it. For a product to be a variant it needs to have a demonstrable change to the product itself. You said it. The product. The product is the whole package. The box, the bubble, the figures. IT’S DIFFERENT. You’re acting like the product is just the hunks of plastic inside. It isn’t. Jesus. You’d be horrible in a world of real collecting ☠️ |
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Post by jimfriend on Apr 29, 2021 16:46:25 GMT -5
I get the argument fellas. I just don’t agree with it. For a product to be a variant it needs to have a demonstrable change to the product itself. You said it. The product. The product is the whole package. The box, the bubble, the figures. IT’S DIFFERENT. You’re acting like the product is just the hunks of plastic inside. It isn’t. Jesus. You’d be horrible in a world of real collecting ☠️ Shucks I wish I could be apart of the real collecting world Some of ya’ll just make clowns outta yourselves. |
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Post by K5 on Apr 29, 2021 16:46:57 GMT -5
I get the argument fellas. I just don’t agree with it. For a product to be a variant it needs to have a demonstrable change to the product itself. If jungle boy came with pink pants or the package is expanded upon to be more grandiose, that in my eyes would be a variant. This, whatever Jazwares/RS is doing here, isn’t a variant to me. It’s a cash grab to pressure people into buying two of these or buying the more expensive and rarer of the two. Disguising it as a variant. The issue is the two products themselves are identical in what you’re actually buying and the “difference” isn’t nearly great enough to warrant what a variant is when discussing collectibles. I think that’s unethical, but hey, that’s my opinion. that's just not true. there are black card variants of LJN figures where they sell for more and are considered rarer than the standard blue. it varied from it's original packaging - it's a variant. pretty cut and dry. |
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