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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2021 22:52:29 GMT -5
I think 31 is overrated as hell. 37 was imo the best front to back Mania since 22. 31 is the show that we're all grateful for because they averted booking disaster, I'd give it an 8/10. Great ladder match, great Orton match, there was no third match IT DIDN'T HAPPEN I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT. The Cena vs Rusev match was damn good. Main event was a great match with or without the cash in, love a good Brock match. I think 31 is the “strongest” mania from 31-37, but that main event was crap before the cash-in. It was the typical “Roman overcoming the odds” crap Vince was continually shoving down our throats before Seth saved the ending. Outside of that and HHH/Sting, it’s a great event. |
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Post by HardyKOfan01 on Apr 18, 2021 23:40:29 GMT -5
Personally, I'd say that between both nights, WrestleMania 37 was an overall 8/10. Between both nights, there were only two outright bad matches, those being the Women's Tag Turmoil on Night One, and the disappointing Fiend/Orton match on Night 2. And on top of finally having a live crowd again in over a year, all the other matches delivered in some way, shape, or form. Even matches that I didn't care for or had low expectations for, like Braun/Shane or the Women's Tag Title Match, ended up being entertaining at the very least. Bianca and Rhea getting their moments was great (Asuka deserves a win at Mania though!), Rollins/Cesaro and Owens/Zayn were easily the best matches of the weekend, and could honestly both be match of the year contenders, Bad Bunny did surprisingly well, Omos had a good debut, AJ became a Grand Slam Champ, and Reigns/Bryan/Edge, outside of the annoying Uso interference, was great. What's also crazy is that this was the first Mania in several years to not have Lesnar, Taker, HHH, or Cena in any capacity, and yet they still gave us a great show. Just goes to show that WWE doesn't always need to rely on the veterans/part timers to make Mania special and enjoyable.
I'd honestly say that 37 was a better overall show than Manias 31-36. 31 was great, 32 was eh, 33 was ok, 34 was a complete disaster except for the first match, 35 was good but really long, and 36 was decent. 37 was great, memorable, and fun, just like a Mania should be.
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Post by LK3 on Apr 19, 2021 0:12:03 GMT -5
I think it will probably end up in the middle. It’s not there with the all timers but in no way is close to 11, 9, 27, 25, 28 in terms of the event being overly bad. In what world is 25 overly bad? WM 25 has a solid MITB, a fun match with Matt and Jeff, and one of the best WM matches of all time between Taker and Shawn. Those alone save it from being “overly bad.” As someone who attended the show, I think it was a pretty bad Mania overall. It had one of, if not the, best Mania match ever. Which saves it for being an even worse show. Matt/Jeff was fine. MITB was solid like you said. I also attended 29, which I’d rank worse than 25 for sure. The Taker matches are the only things memorable from either show. And I would rank 28 higher than both of these, which I again attended lol. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 19, 2021 2:09:59 GMT -5
In what world is 25 overly bad? WM 25 has a solid MITB, a fun match with Matt and Jeff, and one of the best WM matches of all time between Taker and Shawn. Those alone save it from being “overly bad.” As someone who attended the show, I think it was a pretty bad Mania overall. It had one of, if not the, best Mania match ever. Which saves it for being an even worse show. Matt/Jeff was fine. MITB was solid like you said. I also attended 29, which I’d rank worse than 25 for sure. The Taker matches are the only things memorable from either show. And I would rank 28 higher than both of these, which I again attended lol. While 28 had a lot of fluff it also had Punk/Jericho which while not as good as it could have been was still good, Cena/Rock which was huge, and Undertaker/Triple H in a great Cell match. It certainly felt like a big event. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 19, 2021 2:41:59 GMT -5
As someone who attended the show, I think it was a pretty bad Mania overall. It had one of, if not the, best Mania match ever. Which saves it for being an even worse show. Matt/Jeff was fine. MITB was solid like you said. I also attended 29, which I’d rank worse than 25 for sure. The Taker matches are the only things memorable from either show. And I would rank 28 higher than both of these, which I again attended lol. While 28 had a lot of fluff it also had Punk/Jericho which while not as good as it could have been was still good, Cena/Rock which was huge, and Undertaker/Triple H in a great Cell match. It certainly felt like a big event. Yeah for sure. Cena/Rock was a spectacle and decent match. Better than their WM29 match. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 19, 2021 2:53:39 GMT -5
While 28 had a lot of fluff it also had Punk/Jericho which while not as good as it could have been was still good, Cena/Rock which was huge, and Undertaker/Triple H in a great Cell match. It certainly felt like a big event. Yeah for sure. Cena/Rock was a spectacle and decent match. Better than their WM29 match. It’s kind of like the Hogan/Rock match in it was more about the spectacle and the crowd reacting to something we never thought we would see. Their WM 29 match was kind of just then trying to out do their first match in front of a crowd who had already watched it happen before and wanted Punk in the match. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 19, 2021 3:27:47 GMT -5
Yeah for sure. Cena/Rock was a spectacle and decent match. Better than their WM29 match. It’s kind of like the Hogan/Rock match in it was more about the spectacle and the crowd reacting to something we never thought we would see. Their WM 29 match was kind of just then trying to out do their first match in front of a crowd who had already watched it happen before and wanted Punk in the match. And they gave each guy max finishers to start the match lol. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 19, 2021 3:33:20 GMT -5
It’s kind of like the Hogan/Rock match in it was more about the spectacle and the crowd reacting to something we never thought we would see. Their WM 29 match was kind of just then trying to out do their first match in front of a crowd who had already watched it happen before and wanted Punk in the match. And they gave each guy max finishers to start the match lol. Very true |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 7:11:19 GMT -5
No where near the top of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 7:12:42 GMT -5
‘I mean it was Florida... And? Hogan gets a big pop wherever he goes. Hulkamania is still running wild in 2021, brother! They had to pipe in cheers for Hogan this year. |
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Post by Mclovin on Apr 19, 2021 11:30:52 GMT -5
14, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24 are all just as good as X-7. Everybody come fight me in the replies. 22 is one of the more overrated manias. 19 and 21 though I’d put up there with 17. 23 is close as well. 24 doesn't exist huh? 22 isn't overrated, I'd argue it's underrated. As much as everyone (including but especially me) hated Cena back in the mid-2000's and as much as everyone (not including me) hated Triple H in the mid-2000's the main event was great. The Orton/Mysterio/Angle match is a really great match and should have been given way more time considering Rey's entrance. The MITB match was one of the best even though it was just the second one. Even the Big Show and Kane (amazing team) vs Carlito and Chris Masters (two highly underrated mid-card heels that were good together) was a damn good match. Taker vs Henry was a decent match, Taker's casket dive was awesome and he didn't almost break his neck that time. The McMahon/Michaels match was fun as hell. The Edge/Foley match was one of the best hardcore matches ever and that spear through the burning table is iconic. If that isn't one of the best Manias ever, I got no clue what one would be. |
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Post by Mclovin on Apr 19, 2021 11:43:16 GMT -5
The issue there is most old heads let nostalgia control their perspective. It’s all opinion based obviously, but most classic fans have the mindset that wrestling isn’t as good as it used to be. I was born in 1990 and feel that wrestling was, on a very apparent level, far better before I was alive. all taste I suppose. I was born in '04. Most of my favorite wrestling is from the Ruthless Aggression era because that's what I grew up with. My earliest memories of watching wrestling would have been in '06. My old local DVD/VHS/CD/Video Game rental store had every WWE PPV on DVD dating back to '01-'02 at the time. So I had alot of stuff from the early-mid 2000's to watch. Some of which was before I was born some of which wasn't. Had a few wrestling games that I played on my older brother's hand-me-down N64 like WWF Attitude and I forget the others but that sent me down the rabbit hole of old rasslin games when I was little. At this point I'm already more nostalgia crazy than the baby boomers. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Apr 19, 2021 12:13:10 GMT -5
22 is one of the more overrated manias. 19 and 21 though I’d put up there with 17. 23 is close as well. 24 doesn't exist huh? 22 isn't overrated, I'd argue it's underrated. As much as everyone (including but especially me) hated Cena back in the mid-2000's and as much as everyone (not including me) hated Triple H in the mid-2000's the main event was great. The Orton/Mysterio/Angle match is a really great match and should have been given way more time considering Rey's entrance. The MITB match was one of the best even though it was just the second one. Even the Big Show and Kane (amazing team) vs Carlito and Chris Masters (two highly underrated mid-card heels that were good together) was a damn good match. Taker vs Henry was a decent match, Taker's casket dive was awesome and he didn't almost break his neck that time. The McMahon/Michaels match was fun as hell. The Edge/Foley match was one of the best hardcore matches ever and that spear through the burning table is iconic. If that isn't one of the best Manias ever, I got no clue what one would be. 22 is my personal number 5 favorite mania of all time so I’m with you. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 19, 2021 12:51:36 GMT -5
22 is one of the more overrated manias. 19 and 21 though I’d put up there with 17. 23 is close as well. 24 doesn't exist huh? 22 isn't overrated, I'd argue it's underrated. As much as everyone (including but especially me) hated Cena back in the mid-2000's and as much as everyone (not including me) hated Triple H in the mid-2000's the main event was great. The Orton/Mysterio/Angle match is a really great match and should have been given way more time considering Rey's entrance. The MITB match was one of the best even though it was just the second one. Even the Big Show and Kane (amazing team) vs Carlito and Chris Masters (two highly underrated mid-card heels that were good together) was a damn good match. Taker vs Henry was a decent match, Taker's casket dive was awesome and he didn't almost break his neck that time. The McMahon/Michaels match was fun as hell. The Edge/Foley match was one of the best hardcore matches ever and that spear through the burning table is iconic. If that isn't one of the best Manias ever, I got no clue what one would be. Love 24 but I’d put it a step down from 17, 19, 21, and 23 (though right there with 18 and 20). 22 I just felt was underwhelming. Partly due to injuries and Eddie’s death, but I didn’t get the epic feeling that other manias gave off at the time. HHH/Cena had a big match feel going into it, but the match is always a bore for me (I tried watching it again a few weeks ago but couldn’t finish it). I’ve also always believed that Cena/Edge should have been the WWE Title match (where that leave HHH, I’m not sure). Angle/Orton/Rey was a solid triple threat but criminally too short. Also considering Orton was about to be suspended and Rey was booked like crap as champ, and I think they should have gone with Angle/Taker for the WHC. MITB was underwhelming to me after the one at 21, and I feel 23 was more memorable as well. Raw Tag Titles, Booker/Boogeyman, and Torrie/Candice were all crappy filler. We all knew Taker was beating Henry as well. Edge/Foley and Mickie/Trish were great, but as mentioned, I feel Edge should have been facing Cena in the main event. HBK/McMahon was good for a McMahon beat down, but it wasn’t anything new from the last McMahon street fights IMO. I personally enjoyed the Hogan and Taker fights with McMahon better. Maybe bring back DX sooner and do DX vs McMahons in a street fight here. |
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Post by Mclovin on Apr 20, 2021 12:13:33 GMT -5
24 doesn't exist huh? 22 isn't overrated, I'd argue it's underrated. As much as everyone (including but especially me) hated Cena back in the mid-2000's and as much as everyone (not including me) hated Triple H in the mid-2000's the main event was great. The Orton/Mysterio/Angle match is a really great match and should have been given way more time considering Rey's entrance. The MITB match was one of the best even though it was just the second one. Even the Big Show and Kane (amazing team) vs Carlito and Chris Masters (two highly underrated mid-card heels that were good together) was a damn good match. Taker vs Henry was a decent match, Taker's casket dive was awesome and he didn't almost break his neck that time. The McMahon/Michaels match was fun as hell. The Edge/Foley match was one of the best hardcore matches ever and that spear through the burning table is iconic. If that isn't one of the best Manias ever, I got no clue what one would be. Love 24 but I’d put it a step down from 17, 19, 21, and 23 (though right there with 18 and 20). 22 I just felt was underwhelming. Partly due to injuries and Eddie’s death, but I didn’t get the epic feeling that other manias gave off at the time. HHH/Cena had a big match feel going into it, but the match is always a bore for me (I tried watching it again a few weeks ago but couldn’t finish it). I’ve also always believed that Cena/Edge should have been the WWE Title match (where that leave HHH, I’m not sure). Angle/Orton/Rey was a solid triple threat but criminally too short. Also considering Orton was about to be suspended and Rey was booked like crap as champ, and I think they should have gone with Angle/Taker for the WHC. MITB was underwhelming to me after the one at 21, and I feel 23 was more memorable as well. Raw Tag Titles, Booker/Boogeyman, and Torrie/Candice were all crappy filler. We all knew Taker was beating Henry as well. Edge/Foley and Mickie/Trish were great, but as mentioned, I feel Edge should have been facing Cena in the main event. HBK/McMahon was good for a McMahon beat down, but it wasn’t anything new from the last McMahon street fights IMO. I personally enjoyed the Hogan and Taker fights with McMahon better. Maybe bring back DX sooner and do DX vs McMahons in a street fight here. I get that, I've always sensed that about Mania 22. I wish we could have had Eddie vs Shawn. I wish we could have had Taker vs Angle. I don't know where that leaves Rey Rey or more importantly Randy Orton. Orton should have been World Champion in 2006 had it not been for whatever he was into at the time. It sucks that he went from September of 2004 to October of 2007 without being World Champion. I would leave Edge/Foley and Trips/Cena the exact same except Triple H wins (let me dream) there's no way Triple H should have lost so many WrestleMania Main Events in a row (20, 21, 22). Plus imagine the reaction from the Chicago crowd if Cena lost. Gosh I just win Cena would have lost more from the years 2005-2015, JOHN JUST LAY DOWN FOR THREE SECONDS YOU DON'T NEED THE BELT FOR 380 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO TURN CHILDHOOD WRESTLING FANS INTO SYNICAL F*CKS! But for real if I had to rank all of the best Manias, they all come out of the 2000's. So at least my era as a whole wins. Though I must say, Mania 14 doesn't get enough love. And no before anyone gets stupid and says "but ribble h didn't need the belt" no he didn't but... Anybody but Cena. You know the rules and so do I. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 20, 2021 12:40:07 GMT -5
Love 24 but I’d put it a step down from 17, 19, 21, and 23 (though right there with 18 and 20). 22 I just felt was underwhelming. Partly due to injuries and Eddie’s death, but I didn’t get the epic feeling that other manias gave off at the time. HHH/Cena had a big match feel going into it, but the match is always a bore for me (I tried watching it again a few weeks ago but couldn’t finish it). I’ve also always believed that Cena/Edge should have been the WWE Title match (where that leave HHH, I’m not sure). Angle/Orton/Rey was a solid triple threat but criminally too short. Also considering Orton was about to be suspended and Rey was booked like crap as champ, and I think they should have gone with Angle/Taker for the WHC. MITB was underwhelming to me after the one at 21, and I feel 23 was more memorable as well. Raw Tag Titles, Booker/Boogeyman, and Torrie/Candice were all crappy filler. We all knew Taker was beating Henry as well. Edge/Foley and Mickie/Trish were great, but as mentioned, I feel Edge should have been facing Cena in the main event. HBK/McMahon was good for a McMahon beat down, but it wasn’t anything new from the last McMahon street fights IMO. I personally enjoyed the Hogan and Taker fights with McMahon better. Maybe bring back DX sooner and do DX vs McMahons in a street fight here. I get that, I've always sensed that about Mania 22. I wish we could have had Eddie vs Shawn. I wish we could have had Taker vs Angle. I don't know where that leaves Rey Rey or more importantly Randy Orton. Orton should have been World Champion in 2006 had it not been for whatever he was into at the time. It sucks that he went from September of 2004 to October of 2007 without being World Champion. I would leave Edge/Foley and Trips/Cena the exact same except Triple H wins (let me dream) there's no way Triple H should have lost so many WrestleMania Main Events in a row (20, 21, 22). Plus imagine the reaction from the Chicago crowd if Cena lost. Gosh I just win Cena would have lost more from the years 2005-2015, JOHN JUST LAY DOWN FOR THREE SECONDS YOU DON'T NEED THE BELT FOR 380 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO TURN CHILDHOOD WRESTLING FANS INTO SYNICAL F*CKS! But for real if I had to rank all of the best Manias, they all come out of the 2000's. So at least my era as a whole wins. Though I must say, Mania 14 doesn't get enough love. And no before anyone gets stupid and says "but ribble h didn't need the belt" no he didn't but... Anybody but Cena. You know the rules and so do I. I’m with you that if HHH/Cena was what we were getting in the main event, have Cena take the L. Hell, have him loose cleanly. He spent a year beating guys like JBL, Christian, Jericho, Angle, HBK, Masters, Carlito, and Edge (and he even successfully defended the title in the EC). Taking a clean loss to HHH wouldn’t have hurt and HHH could have dropped it back a month or two later before doing the DX thing with Shawn. I think an loss would have benefitted Cena in the long run as well since it would have shown him as beatable and not the ridiculous Superman he had become by that point. Though I’ll still defend that Cena/Edge should have main evented WM22. Edge wins at New Years Revolutions and holds the belt until WM where Cena can regain it before dropping it to RVD a few months later. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Apr 20, 2021 13:26:37 GMT -5
I get that, I've always sensed that about Mania 22. I wish we could have had Eddie vs Shawn. I wish we could have had Taker vs Angle. I don't know where that leaves Rey Rey or more importantly Randy Orton. Orton should have been World Champion in 2006 had it not been for whatever he was into at the time. It sucks that he went from September of 2004 to October of 2007 without being World Champion. I would leave Edge/Foley and Trips/Cena the exact same except Triple H wins (let me dream) there's no way Triple H should have lost so many WrestleMania Main Events in a row (20, 21, 22). Plus imagine the reaction from the Chicago crowd if Cena lost. Gosh I just win Cena would have lost more from the years 2005-2015, JOHN JUST LAY DOWN FOR THREE SECONDS YOU DON'T NEED THE BELT FOR 380 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO TURN CHILDHOOD WRESTLING FANS INTO SYNICAL F*CKS! But for real if I had to rank all of the best Manias, they all come out of the 2000's. So at least my era as a whole wins. Though I must say, Mania 14 doesn't get enough love. And no before anyone gets stupid and says "but ribble h didn't need the belt" no he didn't but... Anybody but Cena. You know the rules and so do I. I’m with you that if HHH/Cena was what we were getting in the main event, have Cena take the L. Hell, have him loose cleanly. He spent a year beating guys like JBL, Christian, Jericho, Angle, HBK, Masters, Carlito, and Edge (and he even successfully defended the title in the EC). Taking a clean loss to HHH wouldn’t have hurt and HHH could have dropped it back a month or two later before doing the DX thing with Shawn. I think an loss would have benefitted Cena in the long run as well since it would have shown him as beatable and not the ridiculous Superman he had become by that point. Though I’ll still defend that Cena/Edge should have main evented WM22. Edge wins at New Years Revolutions and holds the belt until WM where Cena can regain it before dropping it to RVD a few months later. That was that kinda weird phase where almost everyone’s first title reign was a short one to see how they did. Like they planned Edge’s reign to be short, but he absolutely killed it so almost as soon as he lost it you can tell there are forward plans in place for him to get it back. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Apr 20, 2021 13:31:41 GMT -5
Just for arguments sake here is my personal top fifteen:
1. Wrestlemania X7
2. Wrestlemania X
3. Wrestlemania 8
4. Wrestlemania 6
5. Wrestlemania 22
6. Wrestlemania 19
7. Wrestlemania 31
8. Wrestlemania 24
9. Wrestlemania 30
10. Wrestlemania 5
11. Wrestlemania 7
12. Wrestlemania XX
13. Wrestlemania 3
14. Wrestlemania 34
15. Wrestlemania 12
Edit: I made this list and realized that my favorite mania match of all time is Bret vs Stone Cold from 13 but the rest of that event is so meh and I consider my bottom 5 manias to be 11 as the worst by a large margin, then 2, 27, Mania 2000, and 32 rounding out the bottom of the list.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Apr 20, 2021 14:06:43 GMT -5
And to follow up on all that I had 37 ranked 20th
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 20, 2021 15:04:41 GMT -5
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