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Post by K5 on Oct 3, 2020 11:20:00 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼‍♂️ being an independent contractor isn't being a full time employee. that's where you're confused. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 3, 2020 11:48:08 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼‍♂️ being an independent contractor isn't being a full time employee. that's where you're confused. Company you work for still owns the identity you’re making money off of on other platforms |
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Post by K5 on Oct 3, 2020 11:54:32 GMT -5
being an independent contractor isn't being a full time employee. that's where you're confused. Company you work for still owns the identity you’re making money off of on other platforms they do not own their identity. they own their gimmicks. massive difference. they also don't work for wwe. they're not employees. they are independent contractors, their own bosses. this is absolutely nothing new on Vince's part. he had a problem with Bundy on those headstart computer ads he was in. why are you defending this when the scum aspect is blatant? some of the fanboys on here go to such lengths it's insane. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 3, 2020 13:33:40 GMT -5
Company you work for still owns the identity you’re making money off of on other platforms they do not own their identity. they own their gimmicks. massive difference. they also don't work for wwe. they're not employees. they are independent contractors, their own bosses. this is absolutely nothing new on Vince's part. he had a problem with Bundy on those headstart computer ads he was in. why are you defending this when the scum aspect is blatant? some of the fanboys on here go to such lengths it's insane. Alexa Bliss is her identity that WWE owns. It is what she is referred to and known as by every person who doesn’t know her personally as Alexis Kaufman. In WWE’s eyes, she should not be allowed to make money off of the likeness that she does not own. Chris Evans doesn’t go on twitch under the handle “realcaptainamerica” and make money off of a character and likeness he doesn’t own. I’m not defending anyone. I’m simply stating things that people don’t understand |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 3, 2020 14:11:19 GMT -5
People need to remember that the only source(s) we have on this is Dave Meltzer & Brian Alvarez...two lackeys that absolutely despise WWE and have the credibility of a wet paper bag holding a 5lbs weight.
Ill wait until I see further details from creditable sources before I jump on that trendy "I hate WWE" train.
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Oct 3, 2020 14:26:03 GMT -5
If the problem is the "independent contractors" using their name and likeness outside WWE reaches, I have a solution:
everyone familiar with the classic Face/Off?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 14:38:42 GMT -5
People need to remember that the only source(s) we have on this is Dave Meltzer & Brian Alvarez...two lackeys that absolutely despise WWE and have the credibility of a wet paper bag holding a 5lbs weight. Ill wait until I see further details from creditable sources before I jump on that trendy "I hate WWE" train. They were not the only sources on this. They weren't even the first sources. |
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Oct 3, 2020 14:50:01 GMT -5
People need to remember that the only source(s) we have on this is Dave Meltzer & Brian Alvarez...two lackeys that absolutely despise WWE and have the credibility of a wet paper bag holding a 5lbs weight. Ill wait until I see further details from creditable sources before I jump on that trendy "I hate WWE" train. They were not the only sources on this. They weren't even the first sources. Doesn't matter. Once the mainstream wrestling media sources comment on something, it automatically becomes part of the anti-Vince cabal's efforts to humiliate and overthrow the WWE. Well aware of how this works... |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 3, 2020 16:10:38 GMT -5
Company you work for still owns the identity you’re making money off of on other platforms they do not own their identity. they own their gimmicks. massive difference. they also don't work for wwe. they're not employees. they are independent contractors, their own bosses. The company owns the gimmick/name in perpetuity (in most cases), but they also usually have exclusivity on the performer’s likeness and performance rights for the duration of the contract. Hence Alexa Bliss can’t simultaneously be Alexa Bliss on SmackDown, Lexie Kaufman on Dynamite and Impact, and Janisse Targaryen on a Game of Thrones spin-off, unless WWE grants her exemptions for those other things. Brian Myers couldn’t wrestle on Impact while he was under a WWE contract that licensed his rights, but he can now he’s been released from that contract. As an independent contractor, you still have to abide by the terms of the contract you sign (or challenge them legally). Not all wrestling talent would want to do house shows/Twitch streams/WWE Network shows, but they sign a deal that stipulates they have to work X number of dates per year, and it’s up to the company where those bookings take place - with exceptions as agreed, like some big names won’t work untelevised matches, or those short-term Jericho contracts where he only worked untelevised matches. Not all MCU stars would want to do the millions of promotional interviews for the movies, but most of them sign deals with that agreement. But in WWE, a lot of talent will agree to stuff outside the contract because they want to keep their overlords sweet so they can keep making six figures a year and wrestling in the big leagues. |
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Post by K5 on Oct 3, 2020 17:21:31 GMT -5
But in WWE, a lot of talent will agree to stuff outside the contract because they want to keep their overlords sweet so they can keep making six figures a year and wrestling in the big leagues. and that's it in a nutshell really. the workers have long been exploited, it's absolutely nothing new in wwe let alone wrestling. |
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Post by banthafett on Oct 3, 2020 18:07:58 GMT -5
Vince needs to worry about putting out a good product again. Been many many years since.
They need to realize that a casual twitch veiwer could actually enjoy the streamer and then turn to wwe. That will not happen when wwe has their stench all over it. All streamers will see a lower number of viewers because of the heavy hand of wwe. Wait until wwe throw their shitty story lines in a stream.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Oct 4, 2020 10:15:58 GMT -5
People need to remember that the only source(s) we have on this is Dave Meltzer & Brian Alvarez...two lackeys that absolutely despise WWE and have the credibility of a wet paper bag holding a 5lbs weight. Ill wait until I see further details from creditable sources before I jump on that trendy "I hate WWE" train. The Observer is where most of the news initially comes from because they talk to people within the company. So how is that not a credible source. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 4, 2020 12:49:33 GMT -5
People need to remember that the only source(s) we have on this is Dave Meltzer & Brian Alvarez...two lackeys that absolutely despise WWE and have the credibility of a wet paper bag holding a 5lbs weight. Ill wait until I see further details from creditable sources before I jump on that trendy "I hate WWE" train. The Observer is where most of the news initially comes from because they talk to people within the company. So how is that not a credible source. People hate Meltzer because they cant tell when he's giving an opinion or telling facts because they have no reading comprehension skills. |
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Post by LA Times on Oct 4, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
Liv Morgan started a Youtube channel under her real name Gionna Daddio and her first video is about cleaning chicken $#!+ in her farm. She also has a Twitch channel coming soon. Hand over those channels to Vinnie McDaddy.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 5, 2020 10:04:06 GMT -5
I was an Observer subscriber for about 2 1/2 years so it's not like I never purchased his newsletter and just read the free stuff. I stopped subscribing after reading him write that Bradshaw and Barry Windham were only a few months apart in age. I get wikipedia wasn't around then but how can you be so wrong? I was tired of three years of the rumors that never came about, like Barry coming in as Silverdust. Oh, I guess that was him making a joke? Well 12 year old me didn't get it. I wanted news, not jokes. I could get better news, plus pictures and cool interviews from New Wave Wrestling on the store. Even the Apter magazines were just as reliable as Dave and they were almost total kayfabe.
Meltzer then,1990s, is what most "journalists" are now. They give their opinion mostly, very little facts or news. It is sad but it is what the times are asking for and Dave was well ahead of the times. As much as I know Bruce Prichard misremembers things and maybe does fib (I think moreso just doesn't remember) I love his tearing apart of Dave on Conrad's "what if" video about Rick Rude and Wrestlemania. It was spot on. As a former WON subscriber, a disgruntled one yes, it made me very happy to see someone bring to light what Dave is all about.
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Post by The Real Valbroski on Oct 6, 2020 10:21:24 GMT -5
Liv Morgan started a Youtube channel under her real name Gionna Daddio and her first video is about cleaning chicken $#!+ in her farm. She also has a Twitch channel coming soon. Hand over those channels to Vinnie McDaddy. It’s such good (chicken) $#!+ |
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Post by K5 on Oct 6, 2020 10:46:54 GMT -5
I was an Observer subscriber for about 2 1/2 years so it's not like I never purchased his newsletter and just read the free stuff. I stopped subscribing after reading him write that Bradshaw and Barry Windham were only a few months apart in age. I get wikipedia wasn't around then but how can you be so wrong? I was tired of three years of the rumors that never came about, like Barry coming in as Silverdust. Oh, I guess that was him making a joke? Well 12 year old me didn't get it. I wanted news, not jokes. I could get better news, plus pictures and cool interviews from New Wave Wrestling on the store. Even the Apter magazines were just as reliable as Dave and they were almost total kayfabe. Meltzer then,1990s, is what most "journalists" are now. They give their opinion mostly, very little facts or news. It is sad but it is what the times are asking for and Dave was well ahead of the times. As much as I know Bruce Prichard misremembers things and maybe does fib (I think moreso just doesn't remember) I love his tearing apart of Dave on Conrad's "what if" video about Rick Rude and Wrestlemania. It was spot on. As a former WON subscriber, a disgruntled one yes, it made me very happy to see someone bring to light what Dave is all about. I have no problem with your Meltzer view, but if you think Pritchard forgets more than lies than he's sold you down the river pretty hard. |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Oct 8, 2020 7:44:35 GMT -5
I can understand Vince wanting control of certain platforms if they're using their in ring name as handles (if WWE owns the rights to the name) for thier other accounts. I don't see it right if WWE also wants control of those accounts that aren't using the WWE in ring name.
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Post by celflessness on Oct 10, 2020 18:00:49 GMT -5
I can understand Vince wanting control of certain platforms if they're using their in ring name as handles (if WWE owns the rights to the name) for thier other accounts. I don't see it right if WWE also wants control of those accounts that aren't using the WWE in ring name. Because names don't mean as much you think. Just because you're using your real name doesn't mean that people aren't watching you because the fame you earned under the WWE umbrella. How many people watching Austin Creed/Watson on YouTube started watching because he's Xavier Woods off of the telly? Probably a lot. Real name or not, his face and voice have been promoted on Vince TV. Fans know its him. If he used his real name, under a mask, and didn't mention wrestling? Sure, have at it. Then he wouldn't be cashing in on WWE fame. But he is. They all are. If they were truly independent contractors with fair contracts they'd be allowed to. But again, they aren't. From what I gather, Woods actually has a good show that could be entertaining without any wrestling connection, but I needed an example. YouTube/Twitch/etc is becoming part of the entertainment industry and a legit way for people to earn a living. Soon this would be no different that appearing on a sitcom or in a movie without expecting the office to take a cut. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Oct 10, 2020 18:15:35 GMT -5
I can understand Vince wanting control of certain platforms if they're using their in ring name as handles (if WWE owns the rights to the name) for thier other accounts. I don't see it right if WWE also wants control of those accounts that aren't using the WWE in ring name. Because names don't mean as much you think. Just because you're using your real name doesn't mean that people aren't watching you because the fame you earned under the WWE umbrella. How many people watching Austin Creed/Watson on YouTube started watching because he's Xavier Woods off of the telly? Probably a lot. Real name or not, his face and voice have been promoted on Vince TV. Fans know its him. If he used his real name, under a mask, and didn't mention wrestling? Sure, have at it. Then he wouldn't be cashing in on WWE fame. But he is. They all are. If they were truly independent contractors with fair contracts they'd be allowed to. But again, they aren't. From what I gather, Woods actually has a good show that could be entertaining without any wrestling connection, but I needed an example. YouTube/Twitch/etc is becoming part of the entertainment industry and a legit way for people to earn a living. Soon this would be no different that appearing on a sitcom or in a movie without expecting the office to take a cut. So did Jason Mamoa started a twitch channel and it took off, would George RR Martin or HBO be entitled to revenue since he made fans from Game of Thrones, or DC because he made fans from Aquaman? |
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