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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 1, 2020 22:59:31 GMT -5
WWE will be taking over wrestlers twitch accounts in 4 weeks and taking a cut of the revenue. If this is true and WWE is using those accounts to count towards their downside, I don’t see how anyone could defend this. Super scummy. |
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Post by LA Times on Oct 2, 2020 8:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by The Real Valbroski on Oct 2, 2020 9:11:35 GMT -5
WWE will be taking over wrestlers twitch accounts in 4 weeks and taking a cut of the revenue. I don’t see how anyone could defend this. By dismissing it as people criticizing Vince and the wwe just for the sake of criticizing Vince and the wwe. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 2, 2020 13:11:45 GMT -5
I hope people stand up for themselves and not allow themselves to be bullied like this.
Solid way to treat your “independent contractors”, VKM.
What an absolute joke.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 2, 2020 14:49:58 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by LA Times on Oct 2, 2020 14:52:19 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼♂️ The WWE is controlling the twitch accounts even if wrestlers are using their real names |
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Post by banthafett on Oct 2, 2020 15:23:30 GMT -5
So if they are forcing everyone to sign new contracts, does that mean that the current contracts are voided? Would be awesome if most if not all told them to shove it and walked.
Now they forcing them to twitch and crapnow? Or no pay, suspensions, or other penalties? What a crock of shit.
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Post by celflessness on Oct 2, 2020 15:37:12 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼♂️ The WWE is controlling the twitch accounts even if wrestlers are using their real names Sure, but a lot of people watching Austin Creed found his channel because he's Xavier Woods off of the TV. Talent are making money off of these platforms because they're able to stand out from the thousands/millions of other streams/channels. And they stand out because they're WWE guys. Real names. Fake names. Doesn't matter. Their WWE fame is making them money. If I was Vince, I'd have shut down all of these side-hustles on Day One. It's ridiculous to allow public-facing representitives of your company just do whatever they want, openly blabbing about the company to the customers, or just representing themselves as pan-handlers/worse words online. A true megastar shouldn't need to supplement their income, after all. But you need to pay for that level of control. They need to be employees. You can't exert the correct control without paying for it. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 2, 2020 15:46:52 GMT -5
The WWE is controlling the twitch accounts even if wrestlers are using their real names Sure, but a lot of people watching Austin Creed found his channel because he's Xavier Woods off of the TV. Talent are making money off of these platforms because they're able to stand out from the thousands/millions of other streams/channels. And they stand out because they're WWE guys. Real names. Fake names. Doesn't matter. Their WWE fame is making them money. If I was Vince, I'd have shut down all of these side-hustles on Day One. It's ridiculous to allow public-facing representitives of your company just do whatever they want, openly blabbing about the company to the customers, or just representing themselves as pan-handlers/worse words online. A true megastar shouldn't need to supplement their income, after all. But you need to pay for that level of control. They need to be employees. You can't exert the correct control without paying for it. They’re claiming that they own on screen names and the talents’ REAL NAMES as well. They might have those grounds if they were employed, but since they’re independent contractors they’re 100% legally able to make money outside of WWE. They’re not forcing them to stop, they’re taking their income. |
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Post by celflessness on Oct 2, 2020 16:05:23 GMT -5
Sure, but a lot of people watching Austin Creed found his channel because he's Xavier Woods off of the TV. Talent are making money off of these platforms because they're able to stand out from the thousands/millions of other streams/channels. And they stand out because they're WWE guys. Real names. Fake names. Doesn't matter. Their WWE fame is making them money. If I was Vince, I'd have shut down all of these side-hustles on Day One. It's ridiculous to allow public-facing representatives of your company just do whatever they want, openly blabbing about the company to the customers, or just representing themselves as pan-handlers/worse words online. A true megastar shouldn't need to supplement their income, after all. But you need to pay for that level of control. They need to be employees. You can't exert the correct control without paying for it. They’re claiming that they own on screen names and the talents’ REAL NAMES as well. They might have those grounds if they were employed, but since they’re independent contractors they’re 100% legally able to make money outside of WWE. They’re not forcing them to stop, they’re taking their income. I think WWE should be entitled to a cut of the income those real names are generating, because those real names mean NOTHING without the fame WWE has built for their stage names. Not speaking legally, I'm speaking ethically. For as long as they're under contract/on TV, they're using WWE promotion to sell themselves. And then taking that elsewhere to make money while still under contract. If they were truly independent contractors, they'd also be able to choose when/where they work, and be able to take bookings elsewhere. They can't. "Independent Contractor" is just WWE's way of getting around legal loopholes and financial responsibilities to talents. And hopefully it'll bite them in the ass soon. They should be independent contractors allowed to do whatever they want (which I think is a bad idea) or employees with strict guidelines and the benefits they deserve. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 2, 2020 16:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 2, 2020 20:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 20:31:03 GMT -5
Sounds like these sports entertainers are independently contracted to the Mafia
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 2, 2020 20:57:08 GMT -5
So, house shows are being replaced by Twitch streams.... Weird. 😂
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 2, 2020 21:08:15 GMT -5
I still think there's some fine print somewhere in this. I completely understand Vince not wanting them to profit off their WWE names, makes 100% complete sense....but unless you've signed your legal name over as IP in your contract, I dont see how Vince/WWE can control that.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Oct 2, 2020 21:35:31 GMT -5
They’re claiming that they own on screen names and the talents’ REAL NAMES as well. They might have those grounds if they were employed, but since they’re independent contractors they’re 100% legally able to make money outside of WWE. They’re not forcing them to stop, they’re taking their income. I think WWE should be entitled to a cut of the income those real names are generating, because those real names mean NOTHING without the fame WWE has built for their stage names. Not speaking legally, I'm speaking ethically. For as long as they're under contract/on TV, they're using WWE promotion to sell themselves. And then taking that elsewhere to make money while still under contract. If they were truly independent contractors, they'd also be able to choose when/where they work, and be able to take bookings elsewhere. They can't. "Independent Contractor" is just WWE's way of getting around legal loopholes and financial responsibilities to talents. And hopefully it'll bite them in the ass soon. They should be independent contractors allowed to do whatever they want (which I think is a bad idea) or employees with strict guidelines and the benefits they deserve. Jesus, did Vince learn how to use a computer and become a member of WFigs to defend himself? |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Oct 2, 2020 21:36:25 GMT -5
I still think there's some fine print somewhere in this. I completely understand Vince not wanting them to profit off their WWE names, makes 100% complete sense....but unless you've signed your legal name over as IP in your contract, I dont see how Vince/WWE can control that. Hence the restructuring of contracts. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Oct 2, 2020 23:10:34 GMT -5
I get both sides and I think their is a win win here
I get Wwe disliking guys profiting off their characters etc and wanting a piece of the pie
I get not liking someone like Lana going on there and talking about sex.
I get the wrestlers not liking this becomes part of their downside and Wwe controlling their content.
There is definitely a medium here to both sides. You take out the downside part, and Wwe takes a percentage but also promotes leading to more followers and more money. I feel like there is a solution that benefits everyone and I hope they work it out.
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Post by celflessness on Oct 3, 2020 2:16:16 GMT -5
I think WWE should be entitled to a cut of the income those real names are generating, because those real names mean NOTHING without the fame WWE has built for their stage names. Not speaking legally, I'm speaking ethically. For as long as they're under contract/on TV, they're using WWE promotion to sell themselves. And then taking that elsewhere to make money while still under contract. If they were truly independent contractors, they'd also be able to choose when/where they work, and be able to take bookings elsewhere. They can't. "Independent Contractor" is just WWE's way of getting around legal loopholes and financial responsibilities to talents. And hopefully it'll bite them in the ass soon. They should be independent contractors allowed to do whatever they want (which I think is a bad idea) or employees with strict guidelines and the benefits they deserve. Jesus, did Vince learn how to use a computer and become a member of WFigs to defend himself? I guess it wasn't clear enough in my initial posts. I think WWEs contracts are downright criminal. Calling the talent independent contractors while exerting that much control is crazy and should be stopped. I just dont think the happy ending here is for talent to be free to do whatever they want. I think Vince is smart to want control/money, but needs to be forced to make the wrestlers full employees with the requisite benefits in order to do so. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Oct 3, 2020 9:35:55 GMT -5
Your unrelated side hustle where you market yourself for said side hustle with the identity your full time employer owns🤷🏼♂️ I want to be mad at this statement, but I can't. |
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