hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 21, 2019 23:43:09 GMT -5
Disney deserves some compensation for their work. But Sony gets a little bit of steam and it goes directly to their head. Now they're going to continue to put out subpar movies and the MCU has to pretend Spider Man never existed. Bulls**t. I don’t think Sony is completely in the wrong here. It was Disney’s decision to pull the plug because they didn’t get a higher cut of the profits. While Sony gets most of the box office money, Disney also makes 100% of the merchandise that comes off that film. On top of that, the opportunity to use Spider-Man in Avengers makes your franchise much more lucrative. So I’d say they’re compensated just fine. Disney didn’t want Feige to work on an IP that wasn’t 100% theirs to own. |
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Post by marino13 on Aug 22, 2019 18:22:30 GMT -5
Forbes is reporting that Disney actually wanted to help pay 50% of the Spider Man films. And they wanted to help Sony with the remainder of their Marvel properties. Including paying 50% of those films as well. With the intent of hopefully having them as part of the MCU also. But since Disney was gonna spend 50% of the costs, they wanted 50% of the box office as well. Forbes |
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Post by RAC on Aug 23, 2019 21:29:54 GMT -5
Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) are getting a Marvel Studio TV series on Disney plus. Announced at D23.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 24, 2019 9:53:47 GMT -5
Moon Knight should be excellent.
Be nice if we could get some Daredevil and Punisher news. Maybe next year...
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Post by RAC on Aug 24, 2019 15:48:09 GMT -5
Those characters have a 2 yr period from being used. Plus the same cast can't technically come back.
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Post by Newsted on Aug 24, 2019 16:04:46 GMT -5
Those characters have a 2 yr period from being used. Plus the same cast can't technically come back. Yes they can. Once the 3 year bit is over Bernthal can be Punisher again etc. |
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Post by Newsted on Aug 24, 2019 16:05:06 GMT -5
Kamala Kahn series got my hyped, aslong as they keep it somewhat light in tone as she is.
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Post by RAC on Aug 25, 2019 21:10:21 GMT -5
Those characters have a 2 yr period from being used. Plus the same cast can't technically come back. Yes they can. Once the 3 year bit is over Bernthal can be Punisher again etc. They actually can't, that was in the contract with between Marvel and Neflix. Why do you think most of the actors have said goodbye to the roles. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 26, 2019 6:53:19 GMT -5
Is there any legit true update on Spidey?
I listened to a couple videos last night but damn at all the click bait titles
I used to like following the Everything Always channel but every video title is hardcore click bait
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 26, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -5
I know it has been said a million times, but man it freaking sucks about the MCU and Spider-Man. Him being part of the MCU was so huge for me and I could not be any more invested into Tom Holland and this particular Spider-Man and the world he lives in. Now it is just all gone? Tony saw Spidey as the next leader, even better than he was. So now, The Avengers are just going to pretend Spider-Man never existed? How are they going to explain Stark Industries? The Skrulls? The fact that the world is mourning Iron Man in this Spider-Man Universe?
I hand on heart thought at D23 they were going to rock on stage and tell us it was all good and things were worked out. I still have hope that will happen, but this whole situation is a mess! I am actually very surprised that Disney have gotten themselves into this mess as they are usually a few moves ahead when it comes to legal stuff like this.
It may sound dramatic, but Spider-Man no longer being part of the MCU really makes me less excited for it moving forward.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 26, 2019 13:45:20 GMT -5
Is there any legit true update on Spidey? I listened to a couple videos last night but damn at all the click bait titles I used to like following the Everything Always channel but every video title is hardcore click bait Feige said at D23 the deal with Sony is over. My understanding is that Holland continues on with Sony. ew.com/movies/2019/08/24/tom-holland-spider-man-future-disney-sony/I'm not even particularly sure what that means as far as where we left off in FFH since it ended on a cliffhanger. I'm guessing Sony just picks up where the MCU left off and they just kind of go wherever they see that going without any crossover characters like Happy or Iron Man tech? Not sure where that line is in terms of what they can and can't use. I'm sure we'll find out soon. I would guess they'll go full steam with Holland in Venom 2. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 27, 2019 10:31:09 GMT -5
Is there any legit true update on Spidey? I listened to a couple videos last night but damn at all the click bait titles I used to like following the Everything Always channel but every video title is hardcore click bait Feige said at D23 the deal with Sony is over. My understanding is that Holland continues on with Sony. ew.com/movies/2019/08/24/tom-holland-spider-man-future-disney-sony/I'm not even particularly sure what that means as far as where we left off in FFH since it ended on a cliffhanger. I'm guessing Sony just picks up where the MCU left off and they just kind of go wherever they see that going without any crossover characters like Happy or Iron Man tech? Not sure where that line is in terms of what they can and can't use. I'm sure we'll find out soon. I would guess they'll go full steam with Holland in Venom 2. I’m having a hard time accepting that Disney, more specifically Feige, just moving on. I feel like there’s gotta be so much more to it. They went full on Spidey as the new Earth #1 Avenger and him basically taking Tony’s spot and then this happens I’m sure it’s the fact that I don’t want to accept that it’s over but I feel like there’s some major secrecy going on and possibly a behind the scenes transition of Sony into the MCU and they’re making it look like a nasty breakup just to make the ‘news’ that much bigger when it actually breaks |
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 27, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
Feige said at D23 the deal with Sony is over. My understanding is that Holland continues on with Sony. ew.com/movies/2019/08/24/tom-holland-spider-man-future-disney-sony/I'm not even particularly sure what that means as far as where we left off in FFH since it ended on a cliffhanger. I'm guessing Sony just picks up where the MCU left off and they just kind of go wherever they see that going without any crossover characters like Happy or Iron Man tech? Not sure where that line is in terms of what they can and can't use. I'm sure we'll find out soon. I would guess they'll go full steam with Holland in Venom 2. I’m having a hard time accepting that Disney, more specifically Feige, just moving on. I feel like there’s gotta be so much more to it. They went full on Spidey as the new Earth #1 Avenger and him basically taking Tony’s spot and then this happens I’m sure it’s the fact that I don’t want to accept that it’s over but I feel like there’s some major secrecy going on and possibly a behind the scenes transition of Sony into the MCU and they’re making it look like a nasty breakup just to make the ‘news’ that much bigger when it actually breaks Good God do I hope that you are right! |
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 27, 2019 11:47:54 GMT -5
Feige said at D23 the deal with Sony is over. My understanding is that Holland continues on with Sony. ew.com/movies/2019/08/24/tom-holland-spider-man-future-disney-sony/I'm not even particularly sure what that means as far as where we left off in FFH since it ended on a cliffhanger. I'm guessing Sony just picks up where the MCU left off and they just kind of go wherever they see that going without any crossover characters like Happy or Iron Man tech? Not sure where that line is in terms of what they can and can't use. I'm sure we'll find out soon. I would guess they'll go full steam with Holland in Venom 2. I’m having a hard time accepting that Disney, more specifically Feige, just moving on. I feel like there’s gotta be so much more to it. They went full on Spidey as the new Earth #1 Avenger and him basically taking Tony’s spot and then this happens I’m sure it’s the fact that I don’t want to accept that it’s over but I feel like there’s some major secrecy going on and possibly a behind the scenes transition of Sony into the MCU and they’re making it look like a nasty breakup just to make the ‘news’ that much bigger when it actually breaks I got that vibe, as well. Like Feige was way too relaxed about the whole deal based on how he's behaved in the past around this situation. Spider-man is the only A+ player left from the previous phase, other than Thor who seemingly isn't going to be the focus of his own films anymore. Unless they're going to fast track Wolverine, they're left without a heavy hitter to build around. I also don't think two companies of this magnitude just get up and walk away from the table because they don't like the first deal that was rolled out. The whole situation is undoubtedly odd. FFH just made over 1.1 billion dollars. No Spider-man film has even come close to making that much money. So the dollars and cents have to make sense for Sony to negotiate. Maybe the merchandising doesn't make sense to Sony. That's kind of the variable we don't know is the value to Disney or potential earnings for Sony on the merchandise. Venom 2 is going to be out in 13 months. We're going to see Holland quickly. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Aug 27, 2019 14:07:26 GMT -5
I’m having a hard time accepting that Disney, more specifically Feige, just moving on. I feel like there’s gotta be so much more to it. They went full on Spidey as the new Earth #1 Avenger and him basically taking Tony’s spot and then this happens I’m sure it’s the fact that I don’t want to accept that it’s over but I feel like there’s some major secrecy going on and possibly a behind the scenes transition of Sony into the MCU and they’re making it look like a nasty breakup just to make the ‘news’ that much bigger when it actually breaks I got that vibe, as well. Like Feige was way too relaxed about the whole deal based on how he's behaved in the past around this situation. Spider-man is the only A+ player left from the previous phase, other than Thor who seemingly isn't going to be the focus of his own films anymore. Unless they're going to fast track Wolverine, they're left without a heavy hitter to build around. I also don't think two companies of this magnitude just get up and walk away from the table because they don't like the first deal that was rolled out. The whole situation is undoubtedly odd. FFH just made over 1.1 billion dollars. No Spider-man film has even come close to making that much money. So the dollars and cents have to make sense for Sony to negotiate. Maybe the merchandising doesn't make sense to Sony. That's kind of the variable we don't know is the value to Disney or potential earnings for Sony on the merchandise. Venom 2 is going to be out in 13 months. We're going to see Holland quickly. They could swerve us all hard and have Holland In Venom 2 and at some point in the movie or in a post credit scene have Fury pop up and explain to Spider-Man that the reason he was in space with the Skrulls is because the found symbiotes and needed to be prepared We’d think we all lost MCU spidey then boom... spiderverse is now MCU Canon. Woody Harrelson as Carnage in the MCU sounds like fun to me |
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Post by marino13 on Aug 27, 2019 16:43:07 GMT -5
Tom Holland has confirmed that he's not done as Spider Man. And that he's excited with what Sony has planned. So as bad as this whole thing absolutely sucks, I take some solace in knowing we'll be seeing more of him in this role.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Sept 1, 2019 18:28:46 GMT -5
So apparently talks are still ongoing about Spidey. Sounds like if Marvel is cool with keeping Holland in the MCU and letting Sony use him in their ‘spiderverse’ then we may not lose MCU Spider-Man
I mean, it’s fictional movies. Surely Disney can deal with that
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 2, 2019 23:37:12 GMT -5
So apparently talks are still ongoing about Spidey. Sounds like if Marvel is cool with keeping Holland in the MCU and letting Sony use him in their ‘spiderverse’ then we may not lose MCU Spider-Man I mean, it’s fictional movies. Surely Disney can deal with that Source? |
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 3, 2019 0:07:54 GMT -5
I still cannot get my head around the whole Spider-Man thing! There has to be more to it.
This is freaking Disney we are talking about. I just do not see them screwing this up when it comes to the legal stuff. Like how do Disney strike a deal to have Spidey as part of the MCU and not have these rights sowed all the way up until THEY are finished with him? It makes no sense that they would go all in like they did if his future in the franchise was not 100 percent set in stone from a legal point of view.
I have a buddy who always says that despite Disney's family-friendly image, you do not want to screw with Disney when it comes to a boardroom or a courtroom. I just find it hard to imagine that they would be caught with their pants down like this!
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 4, 2019 12:40:04 GMT -5
Watched Dark Phoenix. Not sure what the big uproar was about it. Thought it was fine. On par with Apocalypse. Maybe not as cool visually or action wise since it was more of a self exploration film. I don't think they should have done the Dark Phoenix story again but I don't think anything in this film was bad. It was well acted. Everything was pretty tight as far as the story. Just a run of the mill 7 out of 10 type film for me that I thought was entertaining, even if largely forgettable because of its redundancy. I just would have liked to see a different arc since the cast is still so young looking and not to that Phoenix point imo.
People were acting like it was this egregious film for having the nerve to exist, but I thought it was totally fine. I thought the major death scene early on had weight and the inner turmoil with Jean was excellent, and the tone was right. I can't say it was a fun ride because it carries a heavy, almost lose-lose, atmosphere to its conclusion but it epilogues with the right intentions. Just not a bad film imo. It felt like a fine conclusion to that universe. I guess if I were to make a criticism it would be that it felt too much like a Jean movie and not enough like an X-men movie. But again, that was the mistake of going with this story at all. I think it's worth a watch.
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