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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 19, 2007 21:14:21 GMT -5
Only places Kobe can realistically go is Phoenix, Chicago, Minnesota and Marion, Wallace, KG have to be included in the deal.
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Post by Nash on Jun 19, 2007 23:38:02 GMT -5
Or anybody who thinks Kobe will go anywhere but Detroit, Chicago or Minn. He won't got to Detroit. ESPN said the only real three team that could get him would be Chicago, Phoenix, and Dallas. Phoenix and Dallas are pretty much eliminated because they are WC teams. My opinion is that the Bulls have the best chance to land Kobe. Some think that the Bulls giving a lot wouldn't be right, but I look at this as the Bulls possibly landing a man who is no doubt a future hall of famer. If the Bulls get this oppurtunity, they have to jump on it because I see it as a one chance shot that can't be overlooked or looked at as 'giving away too much'. |
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 1:49:37 GMT -5
Only places Kobe can realistically go is Phoenix, Chicago, Minnesota and Marion, Wallace, KG have to be included in the deal. Not necessarily Wallace as much, since his salary is not even 2 to 3 mil less than Bryant, and I don't imagine a straight up Wallace-for-Bryant trade would fly too well in LA. The only possible trade for Chi and LA would be involving the smaller contract "stars" of Chicago's young team such as a combination of several of the following: Deng, Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas, a signed-and-traded P.J. Brown, Chris Duhon and, of course, the #9 pick. And as for jumping on the opportunity, you have to be kidding me if you think Paxson and the Bulls organization believe giving up all that talent for Kobe will pay off immediately with a championship run. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 20, 2007 9:51:04 GMT -5
Kobe Bryant was recently caught on a cell phone saying "Get a Bulls uniform ready, fellas," when asked if he was going to stay with the Lakers.
Wallace, Gordon, #9 would match salary wise
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 10:19:34 GMT -5
Kobe's comments all along are simply for shock value and entertainment, besides, LA hasn't even begun to address any possible trade scenarios for Kobe that they would pull the trigger on.
Even IF Kobe is traded this offseason, I don't see any possible benefit for a team that has to deal 4 or 5 players in return for a guy who simply cannot win by himself. I know, it would be exciting to watch come next season and the Jordan comparisons in Chicago would blow the roof off of the United Center, but Chicago's best chance at a championship run is with the crew they have under contract now, not with Kobe Bryant.
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Post by krush on Jun 20, 2007 19:05:52 GMT -5
Wallace, Gordon, #9 would match salary wise The Lakers would be insane to make that trade. That's terrible. Although I would love it. |
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Post by Nash on Jun 20, 2007 19:08:08 GMT -5
Kobe's comments all along are simply for shock value and entertainment, besides, LA hasn't even begun to address any possible trade scenarios for Kobe that they would pull the trigger on. Even IF Kobe is traded this offseason, I don't see any possible benefit for a team that has to deal 4 or 5 players in return for a guy who simply cannot win by himself. I know, it would be exciting to watch come next season and the Jordan comparisons in Chicago would blow the roof off of the United Center, but Chicago's best chance at a championship run is with the crew they have under contract now, not with Kobe Bryant. Bryant wouldn't be on his own. If Chicago is able to hold on to Wallace, then those two as a two man tandem would be arguabley the best two men on the same team in the NBA. IMO, if they can get Kobe without trading Wallace, no matter how many men or draft picks it is, they should go for it. But that's just how I feel. |
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 20:49:19 GMT -5
the best two man tandem?
Wallace averaged 6.4 ppg, 10.7 rpg and 2 bpg last season.
yeah, real incredible stuff right there.
not to mention he's 32 years old and hasn't had a good season since his last Detroit title run.
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Post by Nash on Jun 20, 2007 20:57:38 GMT -5
the best two man tandem? Wallace averaged 6.4 ppg, 10.7 rpg and 2 bpg last season. yeah, real incredible stuff right there. not to mention he's 32 years old and hasn't had a good season since his last Detroit title run. Well besides maybe D Wade/Shaq(whos getting up there in age), Duncan/Parker; who else would compare? |
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 21:12:57 GMT -5
the best two man tandem? Wallace averaged 6.4 ppg, 10.7 rpg and 2 bpg last season. yeah, real incredible stuff right there. not to mention he's 32 years old and hasn't had a good season since his last Detroit title run. Well besides maybe D Wade/Shaq(whos getting up there in age), Duncan/Parker; who else would compare? Boozer/Williams Stoudemire/Nash Ming/McGrady problem is, there really aren't many two-man teams around with a big center/guard combo. You could call Carter/Kidd a good tandem, too, but most have yet to prove themselves with a championship, and many never will. All I know is, Wallace/Bryant? Not really a dream come true on my part. As much as I love offseason trades and all the speculation, I pray that Chicago doesn't ruin the good 3, 4, 5-man tandem they have going for them now. |
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Post by Nash on Jun 20, 2007 21:19:38 GMT -5
Well besides maybe D Wade/Shaq(whos getting up there in age), Duncan/Parker; who else would compare? Boozer/Williams Stoudemire/Nash Ming/McGrady problem is, there really aren't many two-man teams around with a big center/guard combo. You could call Carter/Kidd a good tandem, too, but most have yet to prove themselves with a championship, and many never will. All I know is, Wallace/Bryant? Not really a dream come true on my part. As much as I love offseason trades and all the speculation, I pray that Chicago doesn't ruin the good 3, 4, 5-man tandem they have going for them now. I see where you are coming from by saying they shouldn't ruin a good thing. The way the team is now, holds loads of potential and if things stay they way they are, I can see them getting even deeper into the palyoffs if they keep getting better like they have shown through the past few years. I already said how I felt about Kobe, so I don't see any reason to restate myself. I just see Kobe as a HF'er and feel that any chance the Bulls would have to get him, they should. |
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 22:01:04 GMT -5
Kobe definetly is not a downgrade in comparison to anyone on the Bulls roster, it's just such a huge risk to take in blowing up the team and making a run for a championship trophy within 1 to 3 years.
Whereas, if the Bulls made small adjustments here and there, managed all the salaries coming in and going out of Chicago on a constant basis, I really see Chicago competing in the East Finals for the next 3 to 5 years, at the very least. Besides, god forbid a Kobe trade works out and after one year he finds himself in a similar situation as now, expressing his frustrations and wanting to be traded BACK to LA. I just think the risk completely outweighs the reward in this situation.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 20, 2007 22:05:32 GMT -5
Ben Wallace is like the 4th option on the Bulls, even if they traded Gordon/Thomas and kept Wallace he'd be the 4th option (Kobe, Hinrich, Deng)
Celts need to get KG, I dont care about the price
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Post by Chicago on Jun 20, 2007 22:09:03 GMT -5
God, I wish we could see Nash/Garnett playing in Phoenix together.
Would be glorious for both to reach their first Finals together, and to win a championship.
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 21, 2007 1:47:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing KG in the East, even if it is in the Knicks div, just to make crapinteresting on both coasts.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 21, 2007 3:46:56 GMT -5
Kobe's comments all along are simply for shock value and entertainment, besides, LA hasn't even begun to address any possible trade scenarios for Kobe that they would pull the trigger on. Even IF Kobe is traded this offseason, I don't see any possible benefit for a team that has to deal 4 or 5 players in return for a guy who simply cannot win by himself. I know, it would be exciting to watch come next season and the Jordan comparisons in Chicago would blow the roof off of the United Center, but Chicago's best chance at a championship run is with the crew they have under contract now, not with Kobe Bryant. Bryant wouldn't be on his own. If Chicago is able to hold on to Wallace, then those two as a two man tandem would be arguabley the best two men on the same team in the NBA. IMO, if they can get Kobe without trading Wallace, no matter how many men or draft picks it is, they should go for it. But that's just how I feel. Are you kidding? Kobe and Wallace, the best 2-man tandem in the NBA? Wallace is as good as dead, he pretty much retired the day he signed that contract with the Bulls. Besides, it wouldn't work without trading Wallace to the Lakers. He's the only major contract we have. Kobe Bryant cannot win without another major option, I'm convinced of that. But the fact that Luol Deng plays practically the same position as Kobe, and is an up-and-coming star worries me if we were to do a Gordon, Wallace, and #9 trade for him... However, that trade is just so terrible for the Lakers, and so far in the Bulls favor, it's the ONLY way I'd get Kobe in a Bulls uniform, and I'm 99% against trading for Kobe. In the end, I really doubt he goes anywhere, let alone to the Bulls. It just isn't going to work out right. |
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 21, 2007 3:56:26 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from by saying they shouldn't ruin a good thing. The way the team is now, holds loads of potential and if things stay they way they are, I can see them getting even deeper into the palyoffs if they keep getting better like they have shown through the past few years. I already said how I felt about Kobe, so I don't see any reason to restate myself. I just see Kobe as a HF'er and feel that any chance the Bulls would have to get him, they should. I'm not looking just to pick apart your posts here, because I've agreed with you on other things in the past, but since I feel so strongly against trading for Kobe in this situation... I just don't understand where you're coming from. From what I can make out, you're saying you'd sacrifice anyone but Wallace, who is potentially the worst investment the Bulls have made in years. So I won't include Wallace on this list, who is someone I would trade. But why would you want to trade away a 22-year-old Luol Deng who completely came into his own in the playoffs last year and is a total mismatch at 6'9 (still growing, might I add) for most SGs/SFs, a SG who lead your team is scoring the past 3 years and has a boatload of heart, probably much more than Kobe Bryant does at this point in his career (Ben Gordon, if you didn't realize who I was mentioning), and Tyrus Thomas who is some muscle and playing time away from potentially putting up a double double per night in about a year? Not to mention, of course it would cost us our #9 pick as well, which is actually worth something in this year's deep draft. All for Kobe Bryant, who essentially plays the same positions and does the same things (yes, much better as the stats would show, but he played in a different offense in LA) as Deng & Gordon is older, whines, has had a bad attitude for the past few years, and I guarantee will NOT mix will Scott Skiles very well the first time something goes wrong in paradise. Not that this trade would ever go down, because salaries without Ben Wallace wouldn't add up... but I'm just trying to figure out why? You're a smart guy usually... but "Kobe Bryant is going to be a HOFer" doesn't seem like a good reason to break up a 5-deep team with a nice bench for a me-first player, when you're about one low-post scorer away from being championship contenders. |
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 21, 2007 3:57:40 GMT -5
Besides, god forbid a Kobe trade works out and after one year he finds himself in a similar situation as now, expressing his frustrations and wanting to be traded BACK to LA. I just think the risk completely outweighs the reward in this situation. yea, that's another thing.. knowing kobe bryant, like I said, first time there's trouble in paradise he'll pull a hissy fit. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 21, 2007 9:00:00 GMT -5
If Kobe was smart, he'd shut his mouth, let the Lakers make some moves, then just get the F outta there in 2 years and go where he wants.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Jun 21, 2007 9:07:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Lakers make some better moves to work with Kobe. I guess that's not a possibility though? Feed his ego come on.
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