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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:06:20 GMT -5
Maybe so, but the fatality rate for stabbings is far lower than shootings. Someone bought this up on Twitter earlier and I could only find three mass stabbing incidents, and none of them happened in the UK. Well last year there were 80 knife fatalities in London alone. Per head I’d guess the number of knife fatalities in the uk is higher than gun fatalities in the US There is no way that last sentence can be true when you consider the overall size of the US compared to the UK. There were probably more gun related deaths in one state than knife deaths in the entire UK last year.
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Post by J12 on Feb 15, 2018 15:07:42 GMT -5
I don't know enough about assault weapons to have an informed opinion on whether or not they should be banned. I don't have any. I don't shoot them. They don't interest me. I come from a state that is big into hunting (Maine) and I understand their purpose. I understand people's desire to have handguns to protect their home, their property, and their family.
What I don't understand, is that every time this debate comes about after a shooting, the left screams about banning assault weapons and the right screams about mental health. But, the right also voted for, and largely supports a President who has made concerted efforts to roll back mental health initiatives and make it harder for people to get access to help. I even noticed, this time around, their stance has shifted toward "bad parenting" and "increased sensitivity", almost as though they've become self-aware that their voting habits contradict their previously offered solution.
We also need to be exponentially better at identifying people who are at risk of becoming violent, and listen when someone raises suspicion. Word has already gotten out that someone reported this kid's Instagram account for alarming images and behavior, and despite looking into it, the FBI didn't identify the user behind the account and let it go. This person was not "out of nowhere" like the Vegas shooter back in the fall. He exhibited nearly every tell-tale sign of a person prone to become violent and nothing was done.
I don't know what the solution is. Truth be told, it probably lies somewhere in the middle of both extremes (as most things do when it comes to politics.) When it comes to the guns, I do know that nothing is going to change, because the NRA is perhaps the most powerful entity in the entire country. Until the American people start refusing to elect politicians who accept massive contributions from them, nothing will happen on that front.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 15, 2018 15:11:49 GMT -5
Does it only happen in the US? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe?
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:14:41 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe? A lot! Again, not nearly as many as in the US, but we've had a lot. All attacks of any kind are awful. I don't entirely know what you meant by this, but it definitely comes across like you're trying to justify the gun problem by saying that other weapons kill people too.
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 15:19:50 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe? How many truck bombs directly effect our children while they're in school. And again, if you want to argue that point, you go look it up. Why are you asking me to make your argument?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:20:02 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe? More than if we were armed and could have shot the bastards
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:23:40 GMT -5
How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe? More than if we were armed and could have shot the bastards That's not how terror bombings work though. They're secretive. If this was the case, people would be shooting whoever they suspected would leave a bomb, which would honestly end up creating even more of a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:32:02 GMT -5
More than if we were armed and could have shot the bastards That's not how terror bombings work though. They're secretive. If this was the case, people would be shooting whoever they suspected would leave a bomb, which would honestly end up creating even more of a disaster. If I was armed and was sat having a coffee at the time and saw a crazed Muslim driving a truck at people I’d have have got my gun out and tried to shoot him. Had I been there unarmed I’d have legged it and he’d have killed more
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:36:13 GMT -5
That's not how terror bombings work though. They're secretive. If this was the case, people would be shooting whoever they suspected would leave a bomb, which would honestly end up creating even more of a disaster. If I was armed and was sat having a coffee at the time and saw a crazed Muslim driving a truck at people I’d have have got my gun out and tried to shoot him. Had I been there unarmed I’d have legged it and he’d have killed more Why do you keep changing the subject? You know I was talking about bombings. I won't even bother going into the fact that you had to specify it was a Muslim. I don't fancy a warning bar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:38:37 GMT -5
If I was armed and was sat having a coffee at the time and saw a crazed Muslim driving a truck at people I’d have have got my gun out and tried to shoot him. Had I been there unarmed I’d have legged it and he’d have killed more Why do you keep changing the subject? You know I was talking about bombings. I won't even bother going into the fact that you had to specify it was a Muslim. I don't fancy a warning bar. Because he was a Muslim that’s why I said he was. As was the last bomber we had here. It’s just a fact, when talking about terrorism I always refer to the terrorist. And truck attacks were mentioned that’s why I spoke about them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:38:53 GMT -5
Does it only happen in the US? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. UK violent crime is sky high because we're a defenceless population. US. Don't be like us, we've practically a police state here. As for the topic: -More guns in the hands of good people. The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Violent crime rates sore when there aren't guns. -Less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. People should not be able to get a gun if they even live with a person with a criminal record or mental illness. -END GUN FREE ZONES. They're monumentally stupid, and will only attract lunatics with guns because they know they'll get no resistance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:40:04 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. UK violent crime is sky high because we're a defenceless population. US. Don't be like us, we've practically a police state here. As for the topic: -More guns in the hands of good people. The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Violent crime rates sore when there aren't guns. -Less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. People should not be able to get a gun if they even live with a person with a criminal record or mental illness. -END GUN FREE ZONES. They're monumentally stupid, and will only attract lunatics with guns because they know they'll get no resistance. End the thread right here. Perfect.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:48:54 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. UK violent crime is sky high because we're a defenceless population. US. Don't be like us, we've practically a police state here. As for the topic: -More guns in the hands of good people. The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Violent crime rates sore when there aren't guns. -Less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. People should not be able to get a gun if they even live with a person with a criminal record or mental illness. -END GUN FREE ZONES. They're monumentally stupid, and will only attract lunatics with guns because they know they'll get no resistance. Right, so you want them to do exactly what they are already trying to do and failing miserably at? The rational behind this is very confusing. How exactly do you determine the "good guy"? With the background checks that have already been proven not to work? The solution lies somewhere in the middle, and "more guns" is not in that margin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:50:47 GMT -5
The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Tell me the last time a good guy with a gun thwarted a mass shooting. LOL...
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:51:54 GMT -5
The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Tell me the last time a good guy with a gun thwarted a mass shooting. LOL... I changed it when I realised you answered my question, but feel free to avoid everything else I said and focus on the one mistake.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 15:54:10 GMT -5
Besides, if you only have a single example, it's a pretty weak point to make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:58:12 GMT -5
I changed it when I realised you answered my question, but feel free to avoid everything else I said and focus on the one mistake. Sorry, I couldn't resist. ]Right, so you want them to do exactly what they are already trying to do and failing miserably at? The rational behind this is very confusing. How exactly do you determine the "good guy"? With the background checks that have already been proven not to work? The solution lies somewhere in the middle, and "more guns" is not in that margin. I'm not denying that more stringent background checks are needed. I believe there is common ground that can be found on both sides. The 'take everyone's guns away' crowd is making it impossible to find that common ground. Taking guns away never has been and never will be the answer. I also think the sensationalism in the media is a factor in the tenacity increase recently. Stop naming the gunman, trivialise the reports. Lunatics WANT this reaction when they do what they do, they know they'll garner massive global reaction.
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Post by Planktung on Feb 15, 2018 16:01:37 GMT -5
"Good guy with a gun" is a flawed argument. You're not going to have Chris Kyle sitting by you at a bus stop every time someone decides to start firing. And if you pull out a gun in a situation where all police know is that there's an active shooter, what's going to happen when they see you armed first?
Guns cause more problems than they solve. Don't tell me otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 16:19:08 GMT -5
"Good guy with a gun" is a flawed argument. You're not going to have Chris Kyle sitting by you at a bus stop every time someone decides to start firing. And if you pull out a gun in a situation where all police know is that there's an active shooter, what's going to happen when they see you armed first? Guns cause more problems than they solve. Don't tell me otherwise. Otherwise.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 15, 2018 16:26:37 GMT -5
"Good guy with a gun" is a flawed argument. You're not going to have Chris Kyle sitting by you at a bus stop every time someone decides to start firing. And if you pull out a gun in a situation where all police know is that there's an active shooter, what's going to happen when they see you armed first? Guns cause more problems than they solve. Don't tell me otherwise. Especially since Chris Kyle was armed at the time he was shot by a guy he knew to have PTSD. This twitter thread is very worthy reading: (Excuse me if it isn't embedded properly)
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