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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 14:45:29 GMT -5
I'm not going to go very deep into it, I'll just say that it's completely baffling to me that anybody can possibly think that the current gun laws and regulations in the US are good and don't need to be changed. Sorry but it won’t change a thing. Because there will always be ways to beat the system. If anything it will probably make it worse because if someone wants a gun they’ll get it. And with stricter rules and regulations it will just make those willing to do these violent crimes more violent because with stricter rules they’ll feel like they have nothing to lose. A counter to your point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 14:46:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to go very deep into it, I'll just say that it's completely baffling to me that anybody can possibly think that the current gun laws and regulations in the US are good and don't need to be changed. Sorry but it won’t change a thing. Because there will always be ways to beat the system. If anything it will probably make it worse because if someone wants a gun they’ll get it. And with stricter rules and regulations it will just make those willing to do these violent crimes more violent because with stricter rules they’ll feel like they have nothing to lose. It has worked in every other country that has had this problem in the past. I'm an outsider to all of this because I'm British, and luckily I never had to worry about being shot while I was at school, because when people started getting shot, the government did something about it.
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Post by Tim of thee on Feb 15, 2018 14:46:45 GMT -5
There's no need for a civilian to own a automatic or semi-automatic weapon. The only reason those things were made were to kill humans at a faster rate. The argument is "I need to defend myself". Fine, hand guns, shot guns, rifles. No semi-automatic/automatics, no bump stock, etc. Then the issue of "if they want to do it, they're going to do it". It doesn't absolve those in power to do something. Putting a ban on the auto/semi would push those things to the black market. It would increase demand, yes, but it would also push the price of it up to a point where a 20 YO kid just out of HS would have a difficult time affording or justify buying the weapon. Could he still shot up a school w/ a hand gone or rifle? Yes. Would the body count be significantly reduced? Yes. And mental health? Sure, it obviously was a problem and was the reason he acted. Where are the laws for background checks to buy a AR-15? Shoot, I'd be okay if they split it and said you don't need one for hand guns but do for AR-15s. But thats not the case. In May, the government made it easier for the mentally ill to get their hands on guns. All those guns you mentioned are semi-auto.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 15, 2018 14:46:49 GMT -5
Without mentioning or hinting at the particular user, let me just say that people who respond to shootings with statements in the vain of "Not isn't the time to politicize a tragedy by talking about guns" are intentionally not arguing in good faith.
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Feb 15, 2018 14:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by PJ on Feb 15, 2018 14:47:30 GMT -5
Sorry but it won’t change a thing. Because there will always be ways to beat the system. If anything it will probably make it worse because if someone wants a gun they’ll get it. And with stricter rules and regulations it will just make those willing to do these violent crimes more violent because with stricter rules they’ll feel like they have nothing to lose. Your thoughts on why this only happens in the US? Does it only happen in the US?
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 14:49:00 GMT -5
Your thoughts on why this only happens in the US? Does it only happen in the US? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:51:04 GMT -5
Sorry but it won’t change a thing. Because there will always be ways to beat the system. If anything it will probably make it worse because if someone wants a gun they’ll get it. And with stricter rules and regulations it will just make those willing to do these violent crimes more violent because with stricter rules they’ll feel like they have nothing to lose. A counter to your point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom The UK has a far bigger knife crime issue, cranks will find ways to kill people.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -5
Does it only happen in the US? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. Adding on to this, in response to what happened, gun laws were changed and there hasn't been a school shooting since that day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:51:31 GMT -5
Does it only happen in the US? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many stabbings?
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 14:52:28 GMT -5
The UK has a far bigger knife crime issue, cranks will find ways to kill people. How many people you think someone can take with a knife before a group disarms him?
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Post by disorder on Feb 15, 2018 14:52:31 GMT -5
It’s a gun and mental health issue.
We can’t just do nothing.
If you’re going to say it’s not guns, but mental health..then make mental health services easier to receive.
This is not normal anywhere else in the world.
It’s okay to have a different opinion than what your political party is paid to force upon you.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 14:52:46 GMT -5
The UK has a far bigger knife crime issue, cranks will find ways to kill people. Maybe so, but the fatality rate for stabbings is far lower than shootings. Someone bought this up on Twitter earlier and I could only find three mass stabbing incidents, and none of them happened in the UK.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 14:53:43 GMT -5
It’s a gun and mental health issue. We can’t just do nothing. If you’re going to say it’s not guns, but mental health..then make mental health services easier to receive. This is not normal anywhere else in the world. It’s okay to have a different opinion than what your political party is paid to force upon you. You worded this much better than I can seem too. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:54:59 GMT -5
The UK has a far bigger knife crime issue, cranks will find ways to kill people. How many people you think someone can take with a knife before a group disarms him? Well didnt you read how many in the news? Mass knife attacks have happened in recent times, like the Muslims in London recently for example. There are stabbings in London and most other major cities every single day. Is it worse because it’s guns? Or should we ban knives too?
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 15, 2018 14:55:44 GMT -5
The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. How many stabbings? School stabbings? None. The last stabbing fatality I remember was two weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:58:14 GMT -5
The UK has a far bigger knife crime issue, cranks will find ways to kill people. Maybe so, but the fatality rate for stabbings is far lower than shootings. Someone bought this up on Twitter earlier and I could only find three mass stabbing incidents, and none of them happened in the UK. Well last year there were 80 knife fatalities in London alone. Per head I’d guess the number of knife fatalities in the uk is higher than gun fatalities in the US
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:58:35 GMT -5
School stabbings? None. The last stabbing fatality I remember was two weeks ago. 80 fatalities in London alone last year
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Feb 15, 2018 14:58:37 GMT -5
Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 14:58:37 GMT -5
It’s a gun and mental health issue. We can’t just do nothing. If you’re going to say it’s not guns, but mental health..then make mental health services easier to receive. This is not normal anywhere else in the world. It’s okay to have a different opinion than what your political party is paid to force upon you. I'm going to use that last line man. Very well put.
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 15, 2018 14:59:36 GMT -5
Maybe so, but the fatality rate for stabbings is far lower than shootings. Someone bought this up on Twitter earlier and I could only find three mass stabbing incidents, and none of them happened in the UK. Well last year there were 80 knife fatalities in London alone. Per head I’d guess the number of knife fatalities in the uk is higher than gun fatalities in the US Is it? I'm not making your argument for you. You go do the math. And if you come back and it is, I'll double check it.
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