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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 15, 2018 16:45:43 GMT -5
Can we at least agree that our current policy of doing absolutely nothing isn't working? The UK has only ever had one school shooting. We've had 18 this year. UK violent crime is sky high because we're a defenceless population. US. Don't be like us, we've practically a police state here. As for the topic: -More guns in the hands of good people. The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Violent crime rates sore when there aren't guns. -Less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. People should not be able to get a gun if they even live with a person with a criminal record or mental illness. -END GUN FREE ZONES. They're monumentally stupid, and will only attract lunatics with guns because they know they'll get no resistance. There's a few problems with that. -Who are the good people exactly? Most mass shooters had no prior criminal history, so up until the moment they they pulled the trigger they would have been considered a good guy with a gun. -How do you stop people with criminal records or mental illness (and people who live with) from getting guns? More. Regulation.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 15, 2018 16:47:35 GMT -5
The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Tell me the last time a good guy with a gun thwarted a mass shooting. LOL... Yeah and that. The shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting and was leaving the scene when he was approached by the man who chased him down and shot him. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did it, but he didn't save any lives.
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 15, 2018 16:49:16 GMT -5
There is no clear and simple answer. No matter what, there are pros and cons for either side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 16:54:50 GMT -5
Yeah and that. The shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting and was leaving the scene when he was approached by the man who chased him down and shot him. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did it, but he didn't save any lives. He was accosted outside the church by a legal gun owner. How are you to say he wouldn't have carried on his attack elsewhere, or gone back into the church? Can we at least agree that our current policy of doing absolutely nothing isn't working? UK violent crime is sky high because we're a defenceless population. US. Don't be like us, we've practically a police state here. As for the topic: -More guns in the hands of good people. The texas church shooter was stopped by a lawful gun owner. Violent crime rates sore when there aren't guns. -Less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. People should not be able to get a gun if they even live with a person with a criminal record or mental illness. -END GUN FREE ZONES. They're monumentally stupid, and will only attract lunatics with guns because they know they'll get no resistance. There's a few problems with that. -Who are the good people exactly? Most mass shooters had no prior criminal history so up until the moment they they pulled the trigger they would have been considered a good guy with a gun. -How do you stop people with criminal records or mental illness (and people who live with) from getting guns? More. Regulation. -Law abiding gun owners. MOST mass shooters have illegally modified their guns, or owned the firearms illegally. -I agree, more regulation to prevent people who shouldn't have guns from having them.
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Post by disorder on Feb 15, 2018 17:43:00 GMT -5
Yeah and that. The shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting and was leaving the scene when he was approached by the man who chased him down and shot him. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did it, but he didn't save any lives. He was accosted outside the church by a legal gun owner. How are you to say he wouldn't have carried on his attack elsewhere, or gone back into the church? Can we at least agree that our current policy of doing absolutely nothing isn't working? There's a few problems with that. -Who are the good people exactly? Most mass shooters had no prior criminal history so up until the moment they they pulled the trigger they would have been considered a good guy with a gun. -How do you stop people with criminal records or mental illness (and people who live with) from getting guns? More. Regulation. -Law abiding gun owners. MOST mass shooters have illegally modified their guns, or owned the firearms illegally. -I agree, more regulation to prevent people who shouldn't have guns from having them. Don’t post things as fact if they are incorrect. More than 80% of mass shootings are done by people who LEGALLY own their weapons. I don’t know what illegal mods you are talking about, Vegas shooter bought his bump stock legally. Also... Everyone should read this, on both sides of the argument. www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/Both sides have their own biased research, mainly because the senate blocked funding for actual research to be done by the cdc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:04:09 GMT -5
He was accosted outside the church by a legal gun owner. How are you to say he wouldn't have carried on his attack elsewhere, or gone back into the church? -Law abiding gun owners. MOST mass shooters have illegally modified their guns, or owned the firearms illegally. -I agree, more regulation to prevent people who shouldn't have guns from having them. Don’t post things as fact if they are incorrect. More than 80% of mass shootings are done by people who LEGALLY own their weapons. I don’t know what illegal mods you are talking about, Vegas shooter bought his bump stock legally. Also... Everyone should read this, on both sides of the argument. www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/Both sides have their own biased research, mainly because the senate blocked funding for actual research to be done by the cdc. 79% of gun crime is committed by a person using a gun that doesn't belong to them (at least as of 2008). Maybe I conflated that with Mass Shooting stats. If so. My apology.
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Post by disorder on Feb 15, 2018 18:09:16 GMT -5
Don’t post things as fact if they are incorrect. More than 80% of mass shootings are done by people who LEGALLY own their weapons. I don’t know what illegal mods you are talking about, Vegas shooter bought his bump stock legally. Also... Everyone should read this, on both sides of the argument. www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/Both sides have their own biased research, mainly because the senate blocked funding for actual research to be done by the cdc. 79% of gun crime is committed by a person using a gun that doesn't belong to them (at least as of 2008). Maybe I conflated that with Mass Shooting stats. If so. My apology. In Pittsburgh. But the guns were bought legally
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Post by Escape The Rules on Feb 15, 2018 19:01:18 GMT -5
That video of the shooting in Florida is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. When the is something going to be done about the laws in that ing country?!
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 15, 2018 19:27:07 GMT -5
I stopped to get a comb today (cause Ive grown my hair out for the first time in 15yrs and the wind was hell..thats here nor there) and the old woman at the front counter decided to ask me about the shooting. I tried to avoid it just cause simply I dont care about others opinions. She said "I cant believe its so easy to buy a gun like that"....I asked her "Have you ever gone to buy one?" She said "no but on the internet they say you can just walk in and get one with ease".......I just walked out. Stop getting your information from the internet people.
On a side note, I had someone ask me if I knew Jesus....I said yes he brought me my cheese dip at lunch today. That went over like a turd in a punch bowl.
See no biased here, I can take a piss on both sides.
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Post by Angel Beast on Feb 15, 2018 19:40:07 GMT -5
That video of the shooting in Florida is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. When the is something going to be done about the laws in that ing country?! When we don’t have politicians paid for by the NRA. And people get over this false idea that they wanna take away all the guns when that’s not at all what they’re trying to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 20:04:55 GMT -5
That video of the shooting in Florida is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. When the is something going to be done about the laws in that ing country?! Murder is already illegal though. There’s no contingency for crazy psychos though
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 15, 2018 20:15:54 GMT -5
That video of the shooting in Florida is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. When the is something going to be done about the laws in that ing country?! Murder is already illegal though. There’s no contingency for crazy psychos though That argument is a fallacy. Saying that we shouldn't do anything about this because criminals don't follow laws is no different than saying that we shouldn't bother having any laws at all. Only criminals murder people so why bother having a law about it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 20:19:40 GMT -5
Murder is already illegal though. There’s no contingency for crazy psychos though That argument is a fallacy. Saying that we shouldn't do anything about this because criminals don't follow laws is no different than saying that we shouldn't bother having any laws at all. Only criminals murder people so why bother having a law about it? Not sure what can be done about crazy psychos though
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Post by LA Times on Feb 15, 2018 20:53:14 GMT -5
Did he mean worldwide or just his own country? Most likely worldwide. Japan has some of the strictest gun control on Earth and there are almost no guns over there. Many police officers there dont even carry them.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 15, 2018 22:50:40 GMT -5
That video of the shooting in Florida is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever watched. When the is something going to be done about the laws in that ing country?! Murder is already illegal though. There’s no contingency for crazy psychos though Preventing their easy access to military grade weapons would be a good start.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 16, 2018 8:08:51 GMT -5
Yeah and that. The shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting and was leaving the scene when he was approached by the man who chased him down and shot him. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did it, but he didn't save any lives. He was accosted outside the church by a legal gun owner. How are you to say he wouldn't have carried on his attack elsewhere, or gone back into the church? And how are you to say that he wasn't done shooting? How are you to say that he wasn't planning on living out the rest of his life like nothing happened? Discussing the what ifs is pointless. We can only go by the facts and the facts are the he had stopped shooting and was attempting to leave the scene, this indicating that he was done killing people. How many truck bombs/terrorist attacks have happened in UK and/or Europe? More than if we were armed and could have shot the bastards There have been exactly zero mass shootings and/or terrorist attacks that have been stopped by a civilian with a gun in America.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Feb 16, 2018 8:58:32 GMT -5
I think once you have a gun problem you'tr ed. No one will want to give up their guns if they've bought it as protection and criminals wont give up their guns cause they're criminals, the thing is I know its "an american right" to bear arms, and thats fine if thats your "right" then fair enough, I just think the law needs looking at the constitution was drawn up a long time ago, way before the idea of an automatic gun, I think if the dude who wrote up the constitution could see how far guns have advanced and how dangerous an automatic is compared to a musket or whatever they used back then, they wouldnt have put pen to paper.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 16, 2018 9:09:21 GMT -5
I stopped to get a comb today (cause Ive grown my hair out for the first time in 15yrs and the wind was hell..thats here nor there) and the old woman at the front counter decided to ask me about the shooting. I tried to avoid it just cause simply I dont care about others opinions. She said "I cant believe its so easy to buy a gun like that"....I asked her "Have you ever gone to buy one?" She said "no but on the internet they say you can just walk in and get one with ease".......I just walked out. Stop getting your information from the internet people. Very true. Any time I purchased a firearm I had to go through 2 background checks. One state and one Federal. The forms are long and must be filled out by hand at the point of purchase. This includes "Gun Show" purchases as well. Criminals purchasing "on the street" need no background check. Maybe that is what she was referring to about it being "easy"?
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 16, 2018 9:33:53 GMT -5
I stopped to get a comb today (cause Ive grown my hair out for the first time in 15yrs and the wind was hell..thats here nor there) and the old woman at the front counter decided to ask me about the shooting. I tried to avoid it just cause simply I dont care about others opinions. She said "I cant believe its so easy to buy a gun like that"....I asked her "Have you ever gone to buy one?" She said "no but on the internet they say you can just walk in and get one with ease".......I just walked out. Stop getting your information from the internet people. Very true. Any time I purchased a firearm I had to go through 2 background checks. One state and one Federal. The forms are long and must be filled out by hand at the point of purchase. This includes "Gun Show" purchases as well. Criminals purchasing "on the street" need no background check. Maybe that is what she was referring to about it being "easy"? Did you get an AR-15?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 9:39:32 GMT -5
Childhood obesity is one of the leading causes of deaths in the US. We need to ban spoons. Off topic, but in order fix the obesity problem we need to completely redo the entire nutritional guidelines set forth by the government. This time without the influence of the Sugar Association. Carbs are bad.
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