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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 19:01:46 GMT -5
@speaktomewarriors your opinions, literally all of them, are factually incorrect. You are entitled to your opinions but at some point you will need to join the rest of us in reality.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Feb 17, 2018 19:05:06 GMT -5
I can because it’s already written into law. *Laws written during a time when the United States had to defend itself while trying to establish itself as an independent nation from England and are horribly antiquated for today's modern society. Also, one guy wrote that. One person. That one person can't speak for everyone. The 2nd amendment is horribly outdated. People screaming about "muh rites" need to come to reality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:10:15 GMT -5
@speaktomewarriors your opinions, literally all of them, are factually incorrect. You are entitled to your opinions but at some point you will need to join the rest of us in reality. The law begs to differ.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:22:41 GMT -5
My opinion is that guns should be banned. No reason to have them at all. You still live at home huh? Ok so let's give everyone a gun because that is a safe and smart idea isn't it. Apart from hunting, you simply cannot justify having a gun. Some facts: - USA has the highest gun ownership in the world and the highest murder rate out of any developed country - Percentage of all murders that were committed by firearms in 2016 in US: 73% - Percentage of all murders in England and Wales that were committed by firearm: 4.5% - There has been over 200 school shootings in the US since the year 2000 - There has been about 20 school shootings in Canada since the 1800s - In the US, there has been 90 mass shootings, 31% of the world's mass shooters - USA has 6 times as many firearm homicides as Canada, and nearly 16 times as many as Germany Not trying to bash America or anything, but with these figures, you guys definately need to ban guns. And like I said, apart from hunting (where you have a license) or part of the police or something, you just simply can't justify owning a gun.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:30:20 GMT -5
you were trying to simplify the issue of gun control to rather having one if you wish to or not. those children who were lucky to survive featured in that article feel far differently about it than you do. Why? I don’t understand why your talking about specific cases of shootings. The issue of gun control was the topic. Because people got shot doesn’t mean that nobody should be allowed to own a gun it’s downright stupid. People get killed by cars, dogs, food, stairs, lots of things kill people But why would you want a gun??? All the other items you named have a purpose like for example a car is to drive so that you can get somewhere quicker, a gun on the other hand is made specifically as a killing device, absolutely no reason to have one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:31:25 GMT -5
Why? I don’t understand why your talking about specific cases of shootings. The issue of gun control was the topic. Because people got shot doesn’t mean that nobody should be allowed to own a gun it’s downright stupid. People get killed by cars, dogs, food, stairs, lots of things kill people But why would you want a gun??? All the other items you named have a purpose like for example a car is to drive so that you can get somewhere quicker, a gun on the other hand is made specifically as a killing device, absolutely no reason to have one. If I lived in a country where guns were prevalent I’d own one.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:32:37 GMT -5
@speaktomewarriors your opinions, literally all of them, are factually incorrect. You are entitled to your opinions but at some point you will need to join the rest of us in reality. The law begs to differ. The law in your country is stupid. Just look at USA death and gun statistics then look at Japan's / Canada's / Britain's etc.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:34:09 GMT -5
But why would you want a gun??? All the other items you named have a purpose like for example a car is to drive so that you can get somewhere quicker, a gun on the other hand is made specifically as a killing device, absolutely no reason to have one. If I lived in a country where guns were prevalent I’d own one. Still doesn't explain why. Why would you want one?
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 19:36:09 GMT -5
@speaktomewarriors your opinions, literally all of them, are factually incorrect. You are entitled to your opinions but at some point you will need to join the rest of us in reality. The law begs to differ. ... what? What does that have to do with anything? The whole point of my argument is that the laws aren't working, as evidenced by the fact that we have more gun deaths, suicides by gun, mass shootings, school shootings, church shootings, mall shootings, doctor's office shootings, etc. than everyone else. Our laws have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you think that our amount guns, near unfettered access to those guns and our astronomically high amount of gun violence are somehow not related.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:39:12 GMT -5
And how are you to say that he wasn't done shooting? How are you to say that he wasn't planning on living out the rest of his life like nothing happened? Discussing the what ifs is pointless. We can only go by the facts and the facts are the he had stopped shooting and was attempting to leave the scene, this indicating that he was done killing people. There have been exactly zero mass shootings and/or terrorist attacks that have been stopped by a civilian with a gun in America. yes there have been. At a mall in I think Oregon a few years ago a guy had his pistol on him and a dude walked in and started shooting and killed two people and the guy with his pistol walked up behind him and held him at gun point till the cops got there. Now before you say “well he still killed two people” he most likely would’ve killed a lot more had it not been firbthat guy having his pistol on him. Ok but if guns were banned he wouldn't have had it to kill 2 people with in the first place.
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 19:43:13 GMT -5
yes there have been. At a mall in I think Oregon a few years ago a guy had his pistol on him and a dude walked in and started shooting and killed two people and the guy with his pistol walked up behind him and held him at gun point till the cops got there. Now before you say “well he still killed two people” he most likely would’ve killed a lot more had it not been firbthat guy having his pistol on him. Ok but if guns were banned he wouldn't have had it to kill 2 people with in the first place. yeah he would’ve. Cocain and meth are illegal but people still get their hands on that don’t they? It’d be the same with guns. The criminal isn’t gonna go into dicks sporting goods to get a gun, they’re gonna go to the guy selling em on the corner so no body knows they have it. Stricter gun control will just make things worse.
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 19:45:58 GMT -5
If I lived in a country where guns were prevalent I’d own one. Still doesn't explain why. Why would you want one? ok let me ask you this. Somebody breaks into your house, who’s the first person you’re gonna call? Somebody with a gun. I don’t need to do that cause I have guns and am capable of defending myself home and family.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:49:13 GMT -5
Still doesn't explain why. Why would you want one? ok let me ask you this. Somebody breaks into your house, who’s the first person you’re gonna call? Somebody with a gun. I don’t need to do that cause I have guns and am capable of defending myself home and family. Ok so you don't think to call the police. Yeah, whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:50:28 GMT -5
If I lived in America I’d own a gun, it’d be for protection if some nutter came into my home and or my family at risk. I’d kill to defend my family. No ifs, no buts.
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 19:51:51 GMT -5
ok let me ask you this. Somebody breaks into your house, who’s the first person you’re gonna call? Somebody with a gun. I don’t need to do that cause I have guns and am capable of defending myself home and family. Ok so you don't think to call the police. Yeah, whatever. see exactly, you would call the cops, SOME ONE WITH A GUN. But you think all guns should be banned?
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 19:58:13 GMT -5
Ok so you don't think to call the police. Yeah, whatever. see exactly, you would call the cops, SOME ONE WITH A GUN. But you think all guns should be banned? Cops don't shoot, They are there to arrest criminals. What are you on mate.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 19:59:04 GMT -5
yes there have been. At a mall in I think Oregon a few years ago a guy had his pistol on him and a dude walked in and started shooting and killed two people and the guy with his pistol walked up behind him and held him at gun point till the cops got there. Now before you say “well he still killed two people” he most likely would’ve killed a lot more had it not been firbthat guy having his pistol on him. Ok but if guns were banned he wouldn't have had it to kill 2 people with in the first place. Go back a few pages, disorder debunked this. It never happened. Ok but if guns were banned he wouldn't have had it to kill 2 people with in the first place. yeah he would’ve. Cocain and meth are illegal but people still get their hands on that don’t they? It’d be the same with guns. The criminal isn’t gonna go into dicks sporting goods to get a gun, they’re gonna go to the guy selling em on the corner so no body knows they have it. Stricter gun control will just make things worse. Following this line of thinking (which I refuse to call logic because it isn't) then we shouldn't bother having laws at all. Only criminals murder people and drinks don't follow laws so why should murder be illegal? Still doesn't explain why. Why would you want one? ok let me ask you this. Somebody breaks into your house, who’s the first person you’re gonna call? Somebody with a gun. I don’t need to do that cause I have guns and am capable of defending myself home and family. While people do successfully defend themselves and their homes with guns, if you look at the studies, facts and stastics you'll see that even in those circumstances guns often cause more harm than good. Gun owners are statically in far now danger than other people simply because of the existence of a gun in their home. Facts. That, and home invasions aren't anywhere near as big as issue as your side wants to make them. Most home robberies happen when the owners aren't at home. Despite popular nonsense, burglars aren't bloodthirsty maniacs looking to take and pillage. They're losers who don't want to work. Getting into a gun battle at every "job" sounds like a hell of a lot of work to me. Or to put it another way: YOU. DON'T. LIVE. IN. AN. ACTION. MOVIE.
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Post by enigmafigs on Feb 17, 2018 20:00:54 GMT -5
Ok so you don't think to call the police. Yeah, whatever. see exactly, you would call the cops, SOME ONE WITH A GUN. But you think all guns should be banned? I also said that the only reason you should have a gun is with a license for hunting or as part of the police or something. I said it in a post further up the thread.
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Post by c-scope on Feb 17, 2018 20:01:45 GMT -5
see exactly, you would call the cops, SOME ONE WITH A GUN. But you think all guns should be banned? Cops don't shoot, They are there to arrest criminals. What are you on mate. what are you on? Cops 100% shoot people. I’m done with you people, you left winged jack asses use no logic People like you are what’s wrong with this country.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 20:06:59 GMT -5
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