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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 11, 2013 0:43:55 GMT -5
Extremely impossible to be elite for an entire career, no one is. Not even Pedro who IMO was the best I ever saw.
Saying "You arent a HOF'er because you werent elite your entire career" is foolish.
Mark Trumbo sucks and the Angels killed it in this trade
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 11, 2013 0:59:29 GMT -5
Extremely impossible to be elite for an entire career, no one is. Not even Pedro who IMO was the best I ever saw. Saying "You arent a HOF'er because you werent elite your entire career" is foolish. Exactly. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 11, 2013 16:25:37 GMT -5
8x All Star 2x Cy Young winner AL Wins Champion in 2003 NL Wins Champion in 2010 Perfect Game Postseason No Hitter [1 of only 2 in history. In his first ever postseason game, no less.] Nearly 2 to 1 W-L [203-105] 3.38 career ERA 2,117 Ks That may not be first ballot but I'll be damned if that isn't Hall Of Fame worthy. And, the man that many regard as the best pitcher ever - Nolan Ryan - never threw a perfect game and never won the Cy Young. Let that sink in too, before saying Doc isn't a HOF pitcher. Nolan Ryan threw what? 8 no-nos or was it 7? I can't recall. He also won 300 games and is the all time leader in K's. Randy Johnson is second place and nearly 1,000 K's behind him. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 11, 2013 16:59:36 GMT -5
8x All Star 2x Cy Young winner AL Wins Champion in 2003 NL Wins Champion in 2010 Perfect Game Postseason No Hitter [1 of only 2 in history. In his first ever postseason game, no less.] Nearly 2 to 1 W-L [203-105] 3.38 career ERA 2,117 Ks That may not be first ballot but I'll be damned if that isn't Hall Of Fame worthy. And, the man that many regard as the best pitcher ever - Nolan Ryan - never threw a perfect game and never won the Cy Young. Let that sink in too, before saying Doc isn't a HOF pitcher. Nolan Ryan threw what? 8 no-nos or was it 7? I can't recall. He also won 300 games and is the all time leader in K's. Randy Johnson is second place and nearly 1,000 K's behind him. 7. And a no hitter is a great feat, it's no perfect game though. And again, Doc is a 2x Cy Young winner, the best pitcher in the league two seasons, something Ryan never won. Ryan also pitched 27 years, opposed to Doc's 16. And as mentioned, the times were waaaay different. Doc pitched in a PED driven era, from McGwire and Sosa, to Bonds* and Alex Rodriguez. Ryan's ERA is only .19 lower than Doc's too. I guarantee you, you give Doc 11 more years, he gets to 300 wins and 3,000 K's, since apparently, they're the only two deciding factors to determine if a pitcher is HOF worthy. I'll end with, again, Doc may not be first ballot, but he damn sure is worthy of the honor, and to even try and argue that he isn't is just asinine. |
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Post by Chip on Dec 11, 2013 17:46:20 GMT -5
Halladay is a hall of fame pitcher. There's really no argument.
He is NOT, however a unanimous first ballot hall of fame pitcher. that is pretty obvious. He should get in after a few "tries"
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 11, 2013 18:12:30 GMT -5
Extremely impossible to be elite for an entire career, no one is. Not even Pedro who IMO was the best I ever saw. Saying "You arent a HOF'er because you werent elite your entire career" is foolish. Mark Trumbo sucks and the Angels killed it in this trade I know you mean starters....but I'll respond with this anyway:   |
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Post by ✖ AJ on Dec 11, 2013 19:19:35 GMT -5
Apparently the Reds have shown some interest in Brett Gardner. Would be nice if we could trade him for a starter...
Which would be Homer Bailey.
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Post by Chip on Dec 11, 2013 19:51:04 GMT -5
i will state this again
i dont want Gardner going ANYWHERE. fml.
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Post by ✖ AJ on Dec 11, 2013 20:24:59 GMT -5
i will state this again i dont want Gardner going ANYWHERE. fml. The two things I heard were the Yankees possibly shopping Gardner and an AA Prospect to the Reds for Homer Bailey or Ichiro and Lower Level Prospect to the Dodgers for one of their unused starters (if Kemp, Ethier or Crawford are dealt) such as Josh Beckett. |
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Post by Justin on Dec 11, 2013 20:27:31 GMT -5
Mets got Colon even though they said he was out of their price range
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 12, 2013 0:37:26 GMT -5
Extremely impossible to be elite for an entire career, no one is. Not even Pedro who IMO was the best I ever saw. Saying "You arent a HOF'er because you werent elite your entire career" is foolish. Mark Trumbo sucks and the Angels killed it in this trade I know you mean starters....but I'll respond with this anyway: I love MO, but he wasnt. He was a failed starter. Not elite the entire career. Then again, its still true, VERY rare will you get someone who starts and finishes elite....Koufax.....and? |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 12, 2013 1:17:50 GMT -5
I know you mean starters....but I'll respond with this anyway: I love MO, but he wasnt. He was a failed starter. Not elite the entire career. Then again, its still true, VERY rare will you get someone who starts and finishes elite....Koufax.....and? Sandy Koufax finished Elite....but he didn't start out that way. Only Elite for the final 6 years of his career. The first 6 were kinda mediocre. |
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 12, 2013 4:58:10 GMT -5
Apparently the Reds have shown some interest in Brett Gardner. Would be nice if we could trade him for a starter... Which would be Homer Bailey.  that. Even with just a year left before free agency, Homer has more value to the 2014 Reds than Gardner. |
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Post by ✖ AJ on Dec 12, 2013 6:29:04 GMT -5
Apparently the Reds have shown some interest in Brett Gardner. Would be nice if we could trade him for a starter... Which would be Homer Bailey. that. Even with just a year left before free agency, Homer has more value to the 2014 Reds than Gardner. Apparently the Reds offered Phillips for Gardner and New York said no last night. The only thing that makes sense out of that is: A) New York doesn't want Phillips contract (which isn't that bad) B) They'd rather get Homer Bailey from them for Gardner. I think they are going en route to a deal eventually... not sure who the hell they'd deal for who though. |
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Post by Chip on Dec 12, 2013 8:51:46 GMT -5
Cashman basically said they are only trading for pitching
there are enough options in free agency for fielders and they only really need a new 2B
All I really want the Yankees to do is to sign a couple more free agents. Mark Reynolds would be fine, Infante's been mentioned before...and I'd like them to pick up one of the closers that's still on the market like Balfour.
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Post by T R W on Dec 12, 2013 9:05:04 GMT -5
I think you should trade for uggla.
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Post by T R W on Dec 12, 2013 9:05:22 GMT -5
And by trade I mean take him for free.
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Post by ICW on Dec 12, 2013 13:02:38 GMT -5
that. Even with just a year left before free agency, Homer has more value to the 2014 Reds than Gardner. Apparently the Reds offered Phillips for Gardner and New York said no last night. The only thing that makes sense out of that is: A) New York doesn't want Phillips contract (which isn't that bad) B) They'd rather get Homer Bailey from them for Gardner. I think they are going en route to a deal eventually... not sure who the hell they'd deal for who though. Brandon Phillips sucks. Look at his numbers. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 12, 2013 14:41:34 GMT -5
Omar Infane wants 4/40, good luck to whoever signs him.
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