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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2013 16:04:06 GMT -5
Maddux won't get it either bc the voters are incompetent idiots. We talking Greg Maddux? Why in the world would you NOT put him in on the first ballot? Stand up guy, 300+ wins, 3,000 ks, something like, what, 20 gold gloves or something? And he has no steroid stench on him to boot. Why would you not vote for that guy? no we were talking about players getting in the HOF with a unanimous vote not just getting 1st ballot guys |
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Post by ICW on Nov 18, 2013 16:08:22 GMT -5
Last year Jack Morris is on the ballot, hopefully the writers stay strong and do not induct him.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 18, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -5
Oh my god.......someone please.....FIRE THAT A**HOLE THAT CALLS HIMSELF GM IN PHILLY!! Damn, man. He's just wasting money. Now he re-signs Carlos Ruiz. 3 years, $26M. What a f*cking moron! I just wanna choke him out! Millions over millions of dollars to mid 30's and older players. What is wrong with him?!?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 18, 2013 18:46:08 GMT -5
Oh my god.......someone please.....FIRE THAT A**HOLE THAT CALLS HIMSELF GM IN PHILLY!! Damn, man. He's just wasting money. Now he re-signs Carlos Ruiz. 3 years, $26M. What a f*cking moron! I just wanna choke him out! Millions over millions of dollars to mid 30's and older players. What is wrong with him?!? This team won the world series 5 years ago. Might as well keep them together for nostalgia purposes. Sent from my XT907 using proboards |
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Post by LA Times on Nov 18, 2013 19:11:36 GMT -5
Oh my god.......someone please.....FIRE THAT A**HOLE THAT CALLS HIMSELF GM IN PHILLY!! Damn, man. He's just wasting money. Now he re-signs Carlos Ruiz. 3 years, $26M. What a f*cking moron! I just wanna choke him out! Millions over millions of dollars to mid 30's and older players. What is wrong with him?!? The 5 yrs/$125 million contract extension for Ryan Howard was the worst, especially since no other team wouldve been interested in him even if he had become a free agent after 2011. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 18, 2013 20:02:54 GMT -5
Ruiz for 3 years and Marlon Byrd for 2.
Ruben Amaro loves juicers.
The Deadspin article about Jeter today is the reason why the internet was invented
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 0:08:19 GMT -5
Ruiz for 3 years and Marlon Byrd for 2. Ruben Amaro loves juicers. The Deadspin article about Jeter today is the reason why the internet was invented Yeah Jeets! |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 19, 2013 10:37:33 GMT -5
Supposedly some writers are questioning Ruben Amaro's deals because all the clients hes signing are from the same agency and he has dealings with them or had dealings with them? Or something. But hes overpaying guys all repped by the same group.
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Post by ICW on Nov 19, 2013 11:53:33 GMT -5
Ruben Amaro Jr. is seriously a terrible GM. Might be the worst but there' some stiff competition.
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Post by T R W on Nov 19, 2013 12:33:51 GMT -5
If the Yankees or Mets give Cano that money, the better prepare for some rough times. He is MAYBE worth half of what he is asking. Oh I am sorry, what Jay Z is asking. Whoever gives him a contract even close to what he wants is going to cripple that franchise.
But since teams want to give away money maybe we can get someone to take Uggla for a pack of big league chew.
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Post by Chip on Nov 19, 2013 15:16:35 GMT -5
i hope and pray the Yankees do not cave in to that RIDICULOUS contract they've said they won't and i support that Cano's good....ok he's great. But 10 years/$310 million?  you. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 19, 2013 18:42:19 GMT -5
Supposedly some writers are questioning Ruben Amaro's deals because all the clients hes signing are from the same agency and he has dealings with them or had dealings with them? Or something. But hes overpaying guys all repped by the same group. Honestly, I really think he's stuck in the mentality of he had a formula that won the WS. It involved Howard, Utley, Rollins, Ruiz, etc.... So he thinks he needs to keep that core intact and keep them around. I see other GM's in other sports do the same thing. They stick with the same formula that got them the big win and seem to be oblivious to the fact that those core players aren't what they used to be. In '08, the Phils won it all with the following lineup C - Ruiz 1b - Howard 2b - Utley 3b - Feliz SS - Rollins LF - Burrell CF - Victorino RF - Werth Rotation was: Hamels Myers Moyer Kendrick Blanton Now, of all those guys, Moyer is retired and Burrell is retired and Feliz is retired. Werth left in Free Agency and why in the world they traded victorino is beyond me. But hey, they got two mediocre pitchers in the deal and CF has been a black hole since so it worked out. Amaro is dead set on keeping that core of Ruiz, Howard, Utley and Rollins around even though all of those guys are 5 years older and none of them are even close to being as productive as they were 5 years ago. Howard was banged up all year and only hit 11 HRs for which he was paid $20 mil. Yeah, 'cuz you can't replace .268/11/43 with $20 mil? And last year he was also banged up and his numbers were even worse. That contract for him was a ing disaster. Since signing him in 2010 to tha thuge contract, Howard has handed in all of one healthy season. Ugh. Utley is 34 and has health issues. Rollins has been healthy, but while a good defensive shortstop he's not a threat at the plate any more. Ruiz just sucks all the way around. None of those guys terrify any pitcher in the league. Not a single one of them. Myers and Blanton moved on and more power to them. They haven't exactly been stars since they left. They've replaced these three guys with Cliff Lee who is obviously good, but one pitcher does not the entire staff make. And don't get me started on how horrible the 'pen is. This team just keeps getting worse because Amaro seems dead set on holding on to aging players based on how well they performed 5 years ago. It's ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 20:18:52 GMT -5
I don't think Halladay really panned out for them as well as they had hoped either.
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Post by Justin on Nov 19, 2013 20:20:13 GMT -5
I wonder what FA the Mets will meet with that they have no chance if signing
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 19, 2013 23:48:08 GMT -5
I don't think Halladay really panned out for them as well as they had hoped either. Honestly, I don't think the Halladay deal was that bad. Let's be honest here, when you get a chance to get the best pitcher on the planet, you've got to go get that guy. I know he wasn't that the last two years, but the first two years he was completely unstoppable. his first year in Philly he won 21 games, threw a perfect game in the regular season and followed it up with a no-no in the playoffs and won the Cy Young in a slam dunk. The next year he won 19 games, had an even lower ERA than the year before and finished second in the Cy Young voting to some schmuck in LA named Kershaw. Never heard of him before. The two years after that though, he basically fell apart. He was injured most of the time and when he did pitch he was mediocre at best. He was in Philly for four years and they basically got two amazing years out of him and two bleh years. I still think in retrospect you make that deal. A starting pitcher as dominant as Halladay was those first two years is impossible to find. They traded Travis d'Arnaud (good catcher prospect, but has made it to the bigs for all of 31 games), Kyle Drabek (2 full years in the majors and 8 wins to show for it), and Michael Taylor (who has appeared in all of 27 games and at age 27 is more suspect than prospect at this point). So in retrospect they really didn't give up much for a guy who was completely and totally dominant for two years and a non-factor in two more. I'd do that trade again personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 0:01:03 GMT -5
I don't think Halladay really panned out for them as well as they had hoped either. Honestly, I don't think the Halladay deal was that bad. Let's be honest here, when you get a chance to get the best pitcher on the planet, you've got to go get that guy. I know he wasn't that the last two years, but the first two years he was completely unstoppable. his first year in Philly he won 21 games, threw a perfect game in the regular season and followed it up with a no-no in the playoffs and won the Cy Young in a slam dunk. The next year he won 19 games, had an even lower ERA than the year before and finished second in the Cy Young voting to some schmuck in LA named Kershaw. Never heard of him before. The two years after that though, he basically fell apart. He was injured most of the time and when he did pitch he was mediocre at best. He was in Philly for four years and they basically got two amazing years out of him and two bleh years. I still think in retrospect you make that deal. A starting pitcher as dominant as Halladay was those first two years is impossible to find. They traded Travis d'Arnaud (good catcher prospect, but has made it to the bigs for all of 31 games), Kyle Drabek (2 full years in the majors and 8 wins to show for it), and Michael Taylor (who has appeared in all of 27 games and at age 27 is more suspect than prospect at this point). So in retrospect they really didn't give up much for a guy who was completely and totally dominant for two years and a non-factor in two more. I'd do that trade again personally. Oh I absolutely agree you with, I didn't mean that it was a bad trade by any means. Of course you can't predict injuries or huge fall offs but I don't think anyone saw those last 2 seasons coming given how unhittable he was in the previous years. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 20, 2013 0:21:05 GMT -5
I figured he would slow down. You can't be that good for that long right? I didn't figure he would fall so far off the map as he did. I mean last year he posted an ERA just under 7. You looked at him and couldn't figure out why in the world anyone would pay anything at all for him. He went from best pitcher in baseball to washed up virtually overnight it seemed like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 10:27:23 GMT -5
Yea, no one stays on top forever. Like you said, his overnight fall is what was most surprising.
And when I said that the trade didn't pan out as well as Philly would have hoped, I mean that I'm sure they had expected more than two good years out of him. He would have began to regress eventually, but not that sudden drop in production to virtually non existent. I honestly don't remember the last time I heard anything about him.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 20, 2013 16:03:39 GMT -5
He's spent the last two years on and off the DL and when he wasn't on the DL he was ineffective. Somehow he went from Cy Young winner to a 4-5 starter that you can replace with pretty much anyone in your organization.
The only way the Phillies don't finish last place next year is if the Marlins are as bad as they were this year. Fortunately, that has a pretty good chance of happening.
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Post by Chip on Nov 20, 2013 17:35:10 GMT -5
Major League Baseball is turning Alex Rodriguez into a semi-likeable victim. This is kind of hilarious. And it's great to watch this corrupt hypocritic full-of-bullcrap organiziation be exposed for the frauds they are. A-Rod storms out of his hearing calling out the COO of MLB telling him he's full of crap. I wish someone had cell phone video of that. How can you not like this guy? He's making more money than any athlete almost ever, he's being targeted and scapegoated by "the authority" BECAUSE of that salary (like it's HIS fault) and baseball is coming off looking REALLY crapty in this whole process.and yet, he's fighting for himself, calling their bullcrap and they refuse to answer. Selig isn't testifying.....why??? I thought A Rod was the death of baseball, the evil devil sent to ruin the sport? If you wanted SOOOOO badly to take him down, why not give the courts YOUR information in a legal setting? What a bunch of spineless turds. I respect A-Rod's balls in this, because he could have laid down and succumed just like everyone else, but he's saying you, I'm fighting this because I have everything to lose. Thats part of why I honestly think a LOT of what we've been told is complete crap. Why would A-Rod go to this length if he thought MLB could drop the hammer on him easily? It's not like he really does have anything to lose, he's already a pop culture joke, he's already hated by a large portion of the fanbase, the big wigs in his organization and most of the MLB execs, he's already made a ridiculous amount of money what's one season lost? He's probably spending 25% of that on this whole case anyway. Everything that's going on just makes me think that maybe its all not as cut and dry as MLB wants us to think. |
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