Barney Stinson
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Post by Barney Stinson on May 13, 2012 0:42:15 GMT -5
I know Wrestlemania 11 is not looked at as one of the better Wrestlemania's (and I wouldn't argue that point.) The card was very lackluster at best and didn't seem to be stacked the way it could have been given the talent in the WWF at the time.
I had heard a rumor a while back, but don't remember who said it. (I know it was in a shoot interview with somebody) that WWE purposely held back on the undercard of Wrestlemania 11 to make LT v. Bam Bam look that much better in comparison.
Don't know if it was true, but it seems plausable and kind of makes sense seeing what we got that night, but who knows.
Thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 4:36:52 GMT -5
I had never heard that..... but ya never know?95 was a ad year for Vince creatively and WM11 is a shining example of that.
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Post by Raine on May 13, 2012 4:59:19 GMT -5
1995 arguably WWF's worst year ever, terrible big 5 PPVs, dire new characters (Goon, Man Mountain Rock, TL Hopper, Kama, Duke Droese, Dean Douglas) Diesel flopped as WWF champ, King Mabel's push was dire.
Only plus points were HBK vs Razor ladder match 2, Bret vs Diesel at Survivors & Bret vs Bulldog at IYH
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 9:47:47 GMT -5
HBK vs Jeff Jarrett from IYH II was also a great match from this time but yeah 95 was a disaster really.
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Post by Double J JoshuaJohn on May 13, 2012 10:04:21 GMT -5
I thought the rumble was good, although the rumble match itself lasted about 45 minutes, went far too quick.
Bret-Diesel was great, IRS-Taker was ok, tag team match was good and razor and double j had a good opener.
Mania 11 on the other hand,, sucked.
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Post by jakksking1 on May 13, 2012 10:56:13 GMT -5
I thought the rumble was good, although the rumble match itself lasted about 45 minutes, went far too quick. Bret-Diesel was great, IRS-Taker was ok, tag team match was good and razor and double j had a good opener. Mania 11 on the other hand,, sucked. I think the 1995 Rumble is probably the worst ever, at least in contention for the worst. Look at the entrants, there were only 4 legit title contenders that had a shot of winning (HBK, Bulldog, Owen, Luger), and Owen got eliminated in 4 seconds. But yeah, 1995 was terrible all around. The Rumble is probably the worst. WM XI is in the bottom 2 or 3 mania's of all time. The King of the Ring was won by probably the worst "King" in the events history, and featured a tag team main event that sucked. Summerslam has the worst main event in the history of major WWF/E pay per views. Survivor's Series was the best event of the year by far. Great main event, and the mixed heel/face match was a fun idea. However, what I remember most about that event was that they mentioned Karate Fighters every 2 seconds on the air. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 13, 2012 10:59:31 GMT -5
Guys like Bret, HBK, Diesel, Bret, Jarrett, Bulldog, Owen, and Razor were great that year. The problem was that there were so many stupid gimmicks that off put those character (Mantar anyone...).
Also, Diesel as a face champ just didn't work. The guy was built to be a badass heel. Instead, he was turned face and Bret was relegated to the #2 face. Bret was still the most over guy in the company. Diesel should have been a dominant heel champ w/ Bret and Shawn chasing him all year. Bret would have finally taken the title from him at Survivor series, which would have led to Shawn taking it at WM12.
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Post by jammer311 on May 13, 2012 11:04:45 GMT -5
I have said it before many times, and still feel strongly about this. The In Your House ppv events in 1995 were some of the greatest wrestling matches I seen, and were really fun and entertaining.
The big 5 ppvs that year were not the best. Royal Rumble 95 started out strong, then WM 11 got weak, KOTR sucked, so did SummerSlam and Survivor Series was pretty decent again.
But the In Your House ppvs in 1995 were awesome!!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 15:05:40 GMT -5
I still think Bulldog vs Diesel would have made a much better Wrestlemania match than Shawn and Diesel.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 13, 2012 22:37:54 GMT -5
I still think Bulldog vs Diesel would have made a much better Wrestlemania match than Shawn and Diesel. The match was more important to HBK though. He needed that match to give him a springboard to becoming one of the top 2 faces w/ Bret. W/out it, trying to get over as a face would have been much harder for him. Bulldog was already seen as a world title caleber guy. Match would have been good but it was more important for Shawn to get that match. |
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Post by jammer311 on May 13, 2012 23:05:31 GMT -5
They were setting up for Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel at Wrestlemania at Survivor Series 94. The last super kick, the tag belts being given up, Nash winning the belt 2 days later. Clearly it was meant to be HBK vs. Diesel at Mania that year.
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Post by Raine on May 14, 2012 6:36:50 GMT -5
Allied Powers vs Yokozuna & Owen should have been on the card
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 7:00:02 GMT -5
I still think Bulldog vs Diesel would have made a much better Wrestlemania match than Shawn and Diesel. The match was more important to HBK though. He needed that match to give him a springboard to becoming one of the top 2 faces w/ Bret. W/out it, trying to get over as a face would have been much harder for him. Bulldog was already seen as a world title caleber guy. Match would have been good but it was more important for Shawn to get that match. Shawn never should have been a heel IMO, he was a good face as he was naturally an unlikable character. Coming out and dancing in shorts, and his general attitude, he just wasn't a good face during the 96-97 period. When he turned heel again and formed DX, he was intstantly more of a legitimate contender. And Bulldog REALLY needed a world title run, defeating Big Daddy Cool at Wrestlemania would have been perfect. He could have dropped the title back to him at the King Of The Ring, and Diesel could have lost his title back to Bret at survivor series, so nothing would have changed. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 14, 2012 10:41:33 GMT -5
The match was more important to HBK though. He needed that match to give him a springboard to becoming one of the top 2 faces w/ Bret. W/out it, trying to get over as a face would have been much harder for him. Bulldog was already seen as a world title caleber guy. Match would have been good but it was more important for Shawn to get that match. Shawn never should have been a heel IMO, he was a good face as he was naturally an unlikable character. Coming out and dancing in shorts, and his general attitude, he just wasn't a good face during the 96-97 period. When he turned heel again and formed DX, he was intstantly more of a legitimate contender. And Bulldog REALLY needed a world title run, defeating Big Daddy Cool at Wrestlemania would have been perfect. He could have dropped the title back to him at the King Of The Ring, and Diesel could have lost his title back to Bret at survivor series, so nothing would have changed. I agree w/ Shawn being a far better heel. But w/ a ton of dominant big men heels from 95-96, he needed to be a face. Especially in 1996 when Bret left for most of the year and nobody else was around to be the top face besides HBK. I agree though that Shawn was far better as a heel though. As for Bulldog, I think the reason he never recieved a world title was a few reasons. First is because the guy had a drug problem similar to Razor's alcohol problems back then. According to Bret he was almost always drugged up on pills and had to be carried in most of his matches. The other reason is that he was just never seen as the #1 guy. Bulldog was great, and I loved the guy, but guys like Bret, HBK, Diesel, and even Razor were more over than Bulldog from 1994-1997. The guy was great when fighting for the world title, but most of his world title feuds were filler between the real storylines. |
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Post by Raine on May 14, 2012 10:55:06 GMT -5
I agree Bulldog in 1995 was an upper mid card guy at best, he just didn't have that little bit extra to make him "the guy" , it was really refreshing when he was first turned heel for the 1st time.
He's a whole lot better than some of the shite they put the belt on in WWE these days though.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:13:12 GMT -5
1995 was just weird in general. They had great talent which was overshadowed by crappy gimmick wrestlers. Not to mention, Diesel's lackluster run as WWF Champion and Bret Hart taking a backseat to feud with Pierre and Isaac Yankem.
WM 11 just didn't click. I don't hate it but I wasn't impressed too much by it either.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:20:58 GMT -5
Shawn never should have been a heel IMO, he was a good face as he was naturally an unlikable character. Coming out and dancing in shorts, and his general attitude, he just wasn't a good face during the 96-97 period. When he turned heel again and formed DX, he was intstantly more of a legitimate contender. And Bulldog REALLY needed a world title run, defeating Big Daddy Cool at Wrestlemania would have been perfect. He could have dropped the title back to him at the King Of The Ring, and Diesel could have lost his title back to Bret at survivor series, so nothing would have changed. I agree w/ Shawn being a far better heel. But w/ a ton of dominant big men heels from 95-96, he needed to be a face. Especially in 1996 when Bret left for most of the year and nobody else was around to be the top face besides HBK. I agree though that Shawn was far better as a heel though. As for Bulldog, I think the reason he never recieved a world title was a few reasons. First is because the guy had a drug problem similar to Razor's alcohol problems back then. According to Bret he was almost always drugged up on pills and had to be carried in most of his matches. The other reason is that he was just never seen as the #1 guy. Bulldog was great, and I loved the guy, but guys like Bret, HBK, Diesel, and even Razor were more over than Bulldog from 1994-1997. The guy was great when fighting for the world title, but most of his world title feuds were filler between the real storylines. True that there wasn't really anyone else to be a big face. Maybe they should have used Bulldog as a big face. If they could have got him as over in 95/96 as he was in 91/92 then it would have worked. It's a shame Bulldog had a drug problem, I think it really held him back, he easily could have been a #2 or #3 guy in the company in 95 and 96. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:35:02 GMT -5
Im very fond of Bulldog and I feel if he hadnt been caught and fired by Vince over the HGH thing in Nov 92 I feel he would have won the big one.
I think Vince felt he just couldnt trust Bulldog with the big one because he was such an effin pillhead.also he turned heel in 95 at his own request.....thus ending Vinces plans for the Allied Powers.
he also didnt resign a contract in 96 until the last minute....dont forget he was meant to be the next member of the nWo to debut.so sure was Bisch that Davey was coming over he had the nWo talk about their new member turning up at Road Wild 96.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:36:59 GMT -5
Im very fond of Bulldog and I feel if he hadnt been caught and fired by Vince over the HGH thing in Nov 92 I feel he would have won the big one. I think Vince felt he just couldnt trust Bulldog with the big one because he was such an effin pillhead.also he turned heel in 95 at his own request.....thus ending Vinces plans for the Allied Powers. he also didnt resign a contract in 96 until the last minute....dont forget he was meant to be the next member of the nWo to debut.so sure was Bisch that Davey was coming over he had the nWo talk about their new member turning up at Road Wild 96. Never new any of that! It's a shame, at least when he returned in 99 that they didn't give him the title. He could still go. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 13:48:56 GMT -5
Im very fond of Bulldog and I feel if he hadnt been caught and fired by Vince over the HGH thing in Nov 92 I feel he would have won the big one. I think Vince felt he just couldnt trust Bulldog with the big one because he was such an effin pillhead.also he turned heel in 95 at his own request.....thus ending Vinces plans for the Allied Powers. he also didnt resign a contract in 96 until the last minute....dont forget he was meant to be the next member of the nWo to debut.so sure was Bisch that Davey was coming over he had the nWo talk about their new member turning up at Road Wild 96. Never new any of that! It's a shame, at least when he returned in 99 that they didn't give him the title. He could still go. oh yeah he was defo meant to debut at Road(Hog) Wild 96 as the next member.its said in either Hall or Nashs solo shoot or the Outsiders one.its also stated in the "Death of WCW" book which EVERYONE should read. he held off and held off with Vince until he finally resigned.was this the reason he was jobbed out to Sid at Summerslam 96? Hog Wild happened on August 10 96......Davey only resigned the friday before I think.Summerslam happened august 18th a mere 8 days later.I bet Vince was still hot about someone else playing games with him. |
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