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Post by juicewinslow on Sept 24, 2010 1:55:45 GMT -5
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Did Hogan get in trouble in any way for this? I think Belzer deserved it. lol. Mr. T looked like he was about to kill that dude.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Sept 24, 2010 8:43:22 GMT -5
On March 27, 1985, just days prior to the inaugural WrestleMania, Belzer requested on his cable TV talk show Hot Properties that Hulk Hogan demonstrate one of his signature wrestling moves. Hogan put Belzer in a modified Guillotine choke, which caused Belzer to pass out. When Hogan released him, Belzer hit his head on the floor, sustaining a laceration to the scalp that required a brief hospitalization.
Initially lying unconscious and bleeding, Belzer suddenly sprang to his feet just in time to make the necessary announcements leading to the commercial break. Recalling the incident on Late Night with David Letterman, Belzer explained that it was "show business in his blood" willing him back to his feet to protect the integrity of the show.
Belzer sued Hogan for $5 million and later settled out of court; the settlement was rumored at $1.5 million. On October 20, 2006, on Bubba the Love Sponge, it was claimed (with Hogan in the studio) that the settlement totaled $5 million, half from Hogan and half from Vince McMahon. During his June 23, 2008 appearance on Sirius Satellite Radio's The Howard Stern Show, Belzer suggested that the real settlement amount was actually closer to $400,000.
Belzer used the incident in his HBO special "Another Lone Nut" as part of his stand-up routine.
(credit:wikipedia)
I remembered when this happened. So many kids I went to school with were like "See?! Its not fake! That guy got really messed up!"
Belzer looks like a sick, old cat.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Sept 24, 2010 13:07:27 GMT -5
Such a strange incident. You can tell Belzer had total disdain for Hogan and T. He should have been more courteous as the host of the talk show... if your having guests on to promote their work, common sense dictates that making fun of them is disingenuous
That said, Mr. T and Hogan could have handled it better. This was still the era where wrestlers publicly protected the business by insisting it was real. Instead of hurting Belzer to prove a point, Hogan should have told him he wouldn't apply a hold because he might hurt somebody who isn't a trained pro.
Seems to make more sense than actually hurting the guy.
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Post by roh4ever on Sept 24, 2010 13:11:32 GMT -5
 PFFFTT Hogan has never done a front chin lock before lol... Anyways, OWNED... Take that Law and Order! 
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Post by LA Times on Sept 24, 2010 15:37:00 GMT -5
Does anybody find it ironic that Hulk Hogan of all people knew how to do a guillotine choke years before the UFC even existed?
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Post by hobgoblin on Sept 25, 2010 19:15:47 GMT -5
How could he receive 5 million dollars? He ASKED Hogan to do the move...
I don't see how he could win.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 25, 2010 23:47:20 GMT -5
Such a strange incident. You can tell Belzer had total disdain for Hogan and T. He should have been more courteous as the host of the talk show... if your having guests on to promote their work, common sense dictates that making fun of them is disingenuousThat said, Mr. T and Hogan could have handled it better. This was still the era where wrestlers publicly protected the business by insisting it was real. Instead of hurting Belzer to prove a point, Hogan should have told him he wouldn't apply a hold because he might hurt somebody who isn't a trained pro. Seems to make more sense than actually hurting the guy. I think the exact opposite is true. Hogan and T were surly and disrespectful from the start. They were acting like heels. I would really like to know if there was some kind of dispute between Hogan/T and Belzer before the show |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Sept 27, 2010 0:07:05 GMT -5
PFFFTT Hogan has never done a front chin lock before lol... Anyways, OWNED... Take that Law and Order! Come on now you know Hogan could work beyond his "formula match" how many times does this whole Hogan cant wrestle bit need to come up? The man could wrestle watch his Japanese matches |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 27, 2010 5:38:42 GMT -5
PFFFTT Hogan has never done a front chin lock before lol... Anyways, OWNED... Take that Law and Order! Come on now you know Hogan could work beyond his "formula match" how many times does this whole Hogan cant wrestle bit need to come up? The man could wrestle watch his Japanese matches I've seen them. They are on par with the first couple of years of his initial WWF title run. They were decent but not special. He had energy though, I won't deny that. His tussle with Stan Hansen in 1990 wasn't bad either. |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Sept 30, 2010 1:28:58 GMT -5
I've seen them. They are on par with the first couple of years of his initial WWF title run. They were decent but not special. He had energy though, I won't deny that.
His tussle with Stan Hansen in 1990 wasn't bad either.[/quote]
You know when I think of the comparisons made between Hogan and Flair where everyone says Flair was the greatest but as much as I liked him I think Hogan was the more versatile performer and proof is in the work in Japan. Sure both worked their "formula" here is the states but in Japan Hulk could adapt Flair not so much. Flair went over there and worked the same spots and formula he did here same goes for Steamboat he wasn't very good in Japan either.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Sept 30, 2010 1:38:56 GMT -5
now look at Flair match from the same year 1991 in Japan he works the same spots woo chants like he is working an American crowd WTF? Heck I thought this was the same match he wrestled against Sting or Luger |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 3, 2010 0:33:38 GMT -5
I've seen them. They are on par with the first couple of years of his initial WWF title run. They were decent but not special. He had energy though, I won't deny that. His tussle with Stan Hansen in 1990 wasn't bad either. You know when I think of the comparisons made between Hogan and Flair where everyone says Flair was the greatest but as much as I liked him I think Hogan was the more versatile performer and proof is in the work in Japan. Sure both worked their "formula" here is the states but in Japan Hulk could adapt Flair not so much. Flair went over there and worked the same spots and formula he did here same goes for Steamboat he wasn't very good in Japan either. [/quote] The biggest difference between Hulk and Flair is that Flair could chain wrestle. There was always more structure to Flair's matches. With Hogan, he did the typical big guy routine: one big move, showboat, pick your opponent up, do another big move, and so on. I understand why people liked Hulk. He had charisma and some storytelling ability with his facial expressions. But I'll never agree that the man could work. His philsophy was "less is more" and that is why all but a handful of his matches sucked. |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Oct 6, 2010 15:20:51 GMT -5
well Im not trying to convince you otherwise but the proof is there Hogan was one hell of a worker and versatile he could get over as a face or a heel work the stiff style in Japan and get over too. You just dont accomplish all these things and not be good regardless what you, I or anybody says otherwise.
As for chain wrestling and structure from Flair its polite way of saying he worked a formula just like Hulk did all their matches had structure the thing is Hulk could mix it up and change when he needed to Flair couldn't based on what Ive seen from him in Japan just like Bret Hart said Flair could only wrestle a Ric Flair match and the proof is there for everyone to see. the same spots over and over again at the same point of the match regardless of the crowd and regardless of his opponent.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 7, 2010 5:13:09 GMT -5
well Im not trying to convince you otherwise but the proof is there Hogan was one hell of a worker and versatile he could get over as a face or a heel work the stiff style in Japan and get over too. You just dont accomplish all these things and not be good regardless what you, I or anybody says otherwise.. Plenty of guys who couldn't work have gotten over. Hogan came up in the character-driven era of the '80s with a promoter who knew how to minimize his shortcomings. While the emphasis in Japan is more work-centric, there have also been terrible workers (Giant Baba comes to mind) who were wildly over as well. A match that always comes to mind when I discuss Hogan's workrate (or lack thereof) was a SNME tussle with Akeem. He did nothing but punch for about 90% of the match. I think the only moves he did were a clothesline and his legdrop of doom. I've never denied that Hogan could generate electricity with a crowd but that doesn't mean he could work. Once he stepped through the ropes, he was complete, utter, pure crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 12:50:25 GMT -5
LOL at Munch getting owned by Hogan....
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Oct 9, 2010 18:04:15 GMT -5
well Im not trying to convince you otherwise but the proof is there Hogan was one hell of a worker and versatile he could get over as a face or a heel work the stiff style in Japan and get over too. You just dont accomplish all these things and not be good regardless what you, I or anybody says otherwise.. Plenty of guys who couldn't work have gotten over. Hogan came up in the character-driven era of the '80s with a promoter who knew how to minimize his shortcomings. While the emphasis in Japan is more work-centric, there have also been terrible workers (Giant Baba comes to mind) who were wildly over as well. A match that always comes to mind when I discuss Hogan's workrate (or lack thereof) was a SNME tussle with Akeem. He did nothing but punch for about 90% of the match. I think the only moves he did were a clothesline and his legdrop of doom. I've never denied that Hogan could generate electricity with a crowd but that doesn't mean he could work. Once he stepped through the ropes, he was complete, utter, pure crap. What did you expect from Hulk in a match against Akeem armdrags and hiptosses??? He was wrestling 450lb Akeem even when Bret Hart wrestled Akeem he basically kicked and punched his way through the match. I think it ironic you have Abdullah the Butcher in your sig and his matches consisted of him punching, kicking, biting, etc but when Hogan did the same thing you blasted him I just find that ironic. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 9, 2010 22:36:23 GMT -5
Plenty of guys who couldn't work have gotten over. Hogan came up in the character-driven era of the '80s with a promoter who knew how to minimize his shortcomings. While the emphasis in Japan is more work-centric, there have also been terrible workers (Giant Baba comes to mind) who were wildly over as well. A match that always comes to mind when I discuss Hogan's workrate (or lack thereof) was a SNME tussle with Akeem. He did nothing but punch for about 90% of the match. I think the only moves he did were a clothesline and his legdrop of doom. I've never denied that Hogan could generate electricity with a crowd but that doesn't mean he could work. Once he stepped through the ropes, he was complete, utter, pure crap. What did you expect from Hulk in a match against Akeem armdrags and hiptosses??? He was wrestling 450lb Akeem even when Bret Hart wrestled Akeem he basically kicked and punched his way through the match. I think it ironic you have Abdullah the Butcher in your sig and his matches consisted of him punching, kicking, biting, etc but when Hogan did the same thing you blasted him I just find that ironic. Abdullah KNEW that he wasn't the most athletic worker, which is why he moved from company to company often to keep himself fresh and introduced (along with the Shiek) the hardcore style. Abby tried to compensate for his shortcomings. Hogan (a worse seller and less believable striker than Abby) tried to tell us that he was the greatest when he was obviously smoke and mirrors. Also, Abby wasn't being shoved down wrestling fans throats as a company centerpiece when he was in his 40s like Hogan. |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Oct 12, 2010 12:54:03 GMT -5
You can say Hulk was pushed down people throats Ive seen him live in the 80s and well into the 90s and he always drew a huge reaction from the fans whether people loved him or hated him he could draw there emotions out. I will never forget seeing him wrestle Sting at a Nitro in Baltimore in 1997 he was wrestling as a heel he dropped the leg drop on Sting and the place just exploded 16,000 going nuts.
Ive got nothing but respect for what he brought to wrestling. Heck there probably wouldn't even be a wrestling figs board to discuss difference of opinions if wasn't for Hogan seeing the whole wrestling merchandise industry was built around his popularity.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 12, 2010 23:55:19 GMT -5
Ive got nothing but respect for what he brought to wrestling. Heck there probably wouldn't even be a wrestling figs board to discuss difference of opinions if wasn't for Hogan seeing the whole wrestling merchandise industry was built around his popularity. Hogan was a facade built by the genius of Vince McMahon. Vince took a clumsy, balding bodybuilder and convinced an entire generation that he was a great athlete. That is how the wrestling boom in the mid-80s started. There wouldn't have even been a NWO without Vince. Hall, Nash, and Hogan were unremarkable big guys working unremarkable matches until Vince packaged them correctly and made them household names. It is Vince to whom we owe a debt, not Hogan. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 0:02:45 GMT -5
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate, not equally important groups -- the police who investigate crime, and Hulk Hogan who prosecutes the offenders. These are their stories brother!
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