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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Apr 2, 2010 22:13:36 GMT -5
Hey guys was just wondering, when exactly did Davey Boy debut in WCW? The only match I ever remember seeing from him in those days was the Beach Blast match where he tagged with Sting against Sid Vicious and Vader. Reason I ask is because I thought his stock really rose after Summerslam '92 when he beat Bret for the IC title.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Apr 2, 2010 22:34:50 GMT -5
1993. He had been fired by the WWF because he and The Ultimate Warrior were receiving shipments of Human Growth Hormone from a pharmacy in England. (The Warrior was released as well.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 7:00:15 GMT -5
yup both Ultimate Warrior and Davey Boy were canned in November 92.it forced big booking changes for Survivr Series 92.
Davey Boy was supposed to sucessfully defend his IC belt against HBK on the PPV,instead he was made drop it on SNME in early November.this led to Hitman vs HBK for the Wrld title on the show.
Ultimate Warrior and Macho or Ultimate Madness were supposed to match up against Flair and Razor Ramon.....Warrior was canned then Perfect was turned face to replace him.
long term it worked out well for Vince because HBK impressed all concerned with his initial IC reign
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Apr 3, 2010 13:57:49 GMT -5
Did you guys ever think Davey had Heavyweight Champ potential? Or did you feel he was strictly midcard status?
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 3, 2010 14:01:32 GMT -5
Bulldog had World Champ written all over him when he was feuding with HBK while Bret was out. The whole In Your House Beware of the Dog or whatever it was was prime for Davey. He should of had at least one reign. I think most of HBKs reigns were really just so bland cause the business was always low when he was champion. They should have put the belt on someone else for a little bit.
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Post by Stevo on Apr 3, 2010 14:23:35 GMT -5
Did you guys ever think Davey had Heavyweight Champ potential? Or did you feel he was strictly midcard status? Hell yeah, he would've made a great champion. Its a travesty that in Shawn's abysmal-yet-awesome 1996 run he goes over Bulldog and Vader, and then loses it to a no-talent hack like Sid. Bulldog should've gotten a chance to go with the belt sometime between 1996 and 1997, and he's at the top of my list for guys that should've had the belt. He was a fantastic worker in the ring, and he wasn't a terrible talker, but with Jim Cornette as a manager he didn't need to improve anyways. Bulldog was golden for sure. And you know how you cheer for guys you know aren't going to win? That was me when Bulldog came back to the WWF and was thrown into the Six Pack Challenge. Its a shame he didn't get over more, but the kiddies didn't care for the Union Jack, they just wanted to see some Stunners. It was a different time and Davey Boy was sadly out of luck. I remember the feud with Bulldog vs Vader for the World Title, which led to a match at either Slamboree or Superbrawl. And I remember a promo with Sting. That's all I recall of his WCW entire run. |
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Post by gordon on Apr 3, 2010 16:18:09 GMT -5
Did you guys ever think Davey had Heavyweight Champ potential? Or did you feel he was strictly midcard status? Hell yeah, he would've made a great champion. Its a travesty that in Shawn's abysmal-yet-awesome 1996 run he goes over Bulldog and Vader, and then loses it to a no-talent hack like Sid. Bulldog should've gotten a chance to go with the belt sometime between 1996 and 1997, and he's at the top of my list for guys that should've had the belt. So Sid's a no-talent hack, but Lance Cade is full of awesomeness right? I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but COME ON. |
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Post by Stevo on Apr 3, 2010 16:28:25 GMT -5
Hell yeah, he would've made a great champion. Its a travesty that in Shawn's abysmal-yet-awesome 1996 run he goes over Bulldog and Vader, and then loses it to a no-talent hack like Sid. Bulldog should've gotten a chance to go with the belt sometime between 1996 and 1997, and he's at the top of my list for guys that should've had the belt. So Sid's a no-talent hack, but Lance Cade is full of awesomeness right? I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but COME ON. Underrated, hell yeah. Check out some of his work on HEAT, he was good back in the days when he teamed with Jindrak, but the reason I became such a Cade mark was thanks to a quick feud with Val Venis that actually had some great matches in it. I'm not saying World Champion, but deserving of a better push than he got FOR SURE. Its not like the Intercontinental Title couldn't have used a fresh, talented face back in 2005-ish . . . Basically, we could go back and forth about Cade's talent (there's a lot!), but no one can deny that Sid was a big bumbling botch. And the fact that the British Bulldog is easily more talented than Sid. . . . and supposedly more talented than Cade.  |
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 3, 2010 16:32:43 GMT -5
Bulldog was never a good potential World Champion. Far too many demons to trust him at the top, and it's not like he was brimming with charisma either.
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Post by gordon on Apr 3, 2010 17:09:25 GMT -5
So Sid's a no-talent hack, but Lance Cade is full of awesomeness right? I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but COME ON. Underrated, hell yeah. Check out some of his work on HEAT, he was good back in the days when he teamed with Jindrak, but the reason I became such a Cade mark was thanks to a quick feud with Val Venis that actually had some great matches in it. I'm not saying World Champion, but deserving of a better push than he got FOR SURE. Its not like the Intercontinental Title couldn't have used a fresh, talented face back in 2005-ish . . . Basically, we could go back and forth about Cade's talent (there's a lot!), but no one can deny that Sid was a big bumbling botch. And the fact that the British Bulldog is easily more talented than Sid. . . . and supposedly more talented than Cade. Bulldog is definitely more talented than Sid. It's just that even though Sid was a big bumbling botch, he was still talented for a big man and was extremely over. In the ring, Cade was better than Sid. But I just think Cade was too plain. He didn't have a particularly interesting character or look, and his mic skills were meh. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 19:11:59 GMT -5
I think Davey Boy was World Championship material twice in his career.
1)when he effed up in 92.Vince believed in him and he was meant to have a hell of a IC title run.if he had that in 92/93 when he was WAY over he would have been World Champ.
2)as you guys have mentioned-Summer of 96.Bulldog should have won it at KOTR and held it until Summerslam.but McMahon was obviously enamored by HBK and just wanted to feed him folks.
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 3, 2010 23:01:45 GMT -5
Bulldog was never a good potential World Champion. Far too many demons to trust him at the top, and it's not like he was brimming with charisma either. He didnt really have any demons until he got into WCW the 2nd go around and got hooked on Pain Killers. The only demons he had before was steroids and Ill take them over HBKs nose candy any day |
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 3, 2010 23:05:41 GMT -5
Bulldog was never a good potential World Champion. Far too many demons to trust him at the top, and it's not like he was brimming with charisma either. He didnt really have any demons until he got into WCW the 2nd go around and got hooked on Pain Killers. The only demons he had before was steroids and Ill take them over HBKs nose candy any day No, Davey was completely out of it and blown up at SummerSlam 1992 due to drug useage, nose candy and whatever else you could get high off of. |
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Post by sicknicholas on Apr 3, 2010 23:10:19 GMT -5
I think most of HBKs reigns were really just so bland cause the business was always low when he was champion. They should have put the belt on someone else for a little bit. |
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 3, 2010 23:12:38 GMT -5
ill have to look that up, thats the first Ive heard of it. I knew obviously he had roid problems and the painkillers when he got dropped on the door in WCW
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 3, 2010 23:27:18 GMT -5
Check out Bret's book, he goes into detail about it. Apparently Davey was up the night before the match smoking crack with Neidhart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 8:04:40 GMT -5
yeah Davey Boys drug problems are fairly well known.he was fond of anything going during his run of 91-99.
when painkillers came into after his 98 WCW run it was the beginning of the end.it was just one addition too much.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Apr 4, 2010 12:50:36 GMT -5
yeah Davey Boys drug problems are fairly well known.he was fond of anything going during his run of 91-99. when painkillers came into after his 98 WCW run it was the beginning of the end.it was just one addition too much. Thats sad to hear man. R.I.P. Davey |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 17:57:09 GMT -5
yeah Davey Boys drug problems are fairly well known.he was fond of anything going during his run of 91-99. when painkillers came into after his 98 WCW run it was the beginning of the end.it was just one addition too much. Thats sad to hear man. R.I.P. Davey it is sad because as badly as he was effed up-he was 10 times worse after that fall on the trap door.he had a bad back on a near HBK 98 level after that. |
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Post by nibs92 on Apr 5, 2010 9:33:22 GMT -5
I think Davey Boy was World Championship material twice in his career. 1) when he effed up in 92.Vince believed in him and he was meant to have a hell of a IC title run.if he had that in 92/93 when he was WAY over he would have been World Champ. 2)as you guys have mentioned-Summer of 96.Bulldog should have won it at KOTR and held it until Summerslam.but McMahon was obviously enamored by HBK and just wanted to feed him folks. have to say i've read a different account to that in bold. according to the uk magazine powerslam, davey boy only got the title to cash in on the wwf's popularity in the uk. business was down stateside due to the sex and drug scandals at the time. again with reference to the above source the wwf had no intention of davey boy holding the I.C. title for any length of time and were eager to give michaels the belt at the earliest possible opportunity. |
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