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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 24, 2008 9:52:30 GMT -5
I know I am not the only one who feels angered and displeased with how JR has constantly been mocked, abused, and mistreated by Vince McMahon over the last 15 years... so I expect alot of people to understand where I'm coming from here. I just personally feel like he is constantly treated as a joke for McMahon's pleasure and for his ego. I understand that WWE is targeted for six year old attention spans... I get that. But when you have one specific individual who not only gives your company credibility, but makes every match have a big time feel... why piss him off?? I personally think Vince has always been jealous of how JR relates to the fans and is able to not only tell a story, but to put wrestlers over all the time. I know JR is only going to Smackdown, but we all know it's a demotion. Smackdown is not on an even keel with RAW specifically because it's on a terrible night and its not live. Those two things always make Smackdown secondary no matter who you put out there. And while I agree, JR acted a little like a child when he found out he was leaving, why did they feel the need to leave the announcers in the dark?? It already felt like a cluster all night long with commentators stepping on each others words and the great Adamle getting about 25 wrestlers names wrong and looking like a damn fool (How does he help the brand??), but then you take the heart out of the show by having JR react in such a disappointing way - not only making himself look bad, but making Cole look like a nothing (much like 10 years ago), making Foley look bad, and making Smackdown look super weak. IT DID NOTHING TO MISLEAD JR!!! Please, someone out here explain how it helped business in the least. It made Vince McMahon laugh?? Is that all that matters to the senile bastard? He sits there and gets off on JR being shocked on national TV and looking bad? Vince's ego is so big that he has to make the best color commentator in sports look like a tool bag year in and year out by replacing him with second rate announcers, making fun of his real life injuries, and using him in storylines to get heels over? He is the only aspect of WWE that gives the product a realistic feel. His enthusiasm and character will never be matched from a broadcast perspective. But I get it, move JR over to Smackdown and make him look like an ass on TV and watch his unenthusiastic broadcasts on Smackdown on a second rate show! I love Foley and I do think Foley and JR will make a great combination - I do see this as a great opportunity for JR as well if he makes the best of it as there is alot of talent on that brand that JR will help put over.... but at the same time, not telling the announcers beforehand just came off terribly. JR getting up and forcing Cole out of his seat before the announcement of Cole to RAW was made looked awful - and like I said, made Cole look like JR's bitch (much like in 98). Cole has 10 + years experience and might just deserve the move to RAW - BUT NOT LIKE THAT VINCE!! DAMNIT!
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Post by v/\v on Jun 24, 2008 9:53:44 GMT -5
Way too many Raw/Draft related threads on this board ;[.
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Post by Vitamin Z on Jun 24, 2008 9:56:25 GMT -5
I totally see where you are coming from. But after the end of the draft I'm starting to wonder if they are going to try and push Raw and Smackdown as equals.
Lets face it, Foley and Ross as an announcing team is going to be amazing. Smackdown has Edge, Kennedy, Undertaker, HHH, MVP, Hardy, Jesse, Festus, and a whole slew of amazing talent. Maybe this isn't a bad thing.
Maybe putting JR on Smackdown, while not being a popular decision, will be better for everyone in the end.
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Post by Wago on Jun 24, 2008 9:59:44 GMT -5
Ah I am sure Vince was sitting in his office planning the show. "So, mix up all the champ's, have a setting fall on me and pretend I am injured... and oh, how can I make J.R Upset...." Yea, bud' if you think Vince did it to be a dick to J.R your a ing idiot, along side that, being as I am in the UK, I don't know who put RAW on, but they was saying it sounded to 'Southern' I think, maybe they said some other direction. So yea, that was one reason it probably happened, along side that, it's nice to have a change, and it's not like Michael Cole doesn't deserve a shot in the spot light. And it's good they kept it a secret like they did with the roster, fair is fair. And finally J.R is a crappy comentator now, he has no passion and does not get excited over anything, I miss 'STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD' Either way, Vince didn't do it out of spite. Though I do agree that J.R has been mistreated in the past.
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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 24, 2008 9:59:54 GMT -5
Let me just say - I am cool with JR on Smackdown - I am.... but I'm not cool with how they did that last night. I really felt bad for him. And while I see it as a positive change, and I am POSITIVE JR will see it as such too for various reasons ... they shouldn't have left him in the dark. He doesn't deserve that. I don't care what Vince's reasons are - I just personally believe Vince gets off on screwing with JR (because Vince sees JR as thinking he's untouchable - Vince just always NEEDS to prove who's in charge - it's called an abuse of power if you ask me).
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Post by MRR on Jun 24, 2008 10:38:38 GMT -5
Speak Brother Speak....
I agree 100%
As strange as it sounds, I've always felt like McMahon has it in for JR because he was the announcer that replaced McMahon at the booth. Even though it was Vince's decision to step down, Jim Ross has done an excellent job in that position.
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Post by T1 on Jun 24, 2008 10:41:55 GMT -5
Maybe if JR wasn't such a prick, he would be treated better. Besides, it's his ing job to commentate, regardless of what show. Just do your damn job and don't sit there and sulk. I'll bet anything JR quits very soon or bitches his way back to Raw because he always has to have his way.
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Post by Wago on Jun 24, 2008 10:47:00 GMT -5
Let me just say - I am cool with JR on Smackdown - I am.... but I'm not cool with how they did that last night. I really felt bad for him. And while I see it as a positive change, and I am POSITIVE JR will see it as such too for various reasons ... they shouldn't have left him in the dark. He doesn't deserve that. I don't care what Vince's reasons are - I just personally believe Vince gets off on screwing with JR (because Vince sees JR as thinking he's untouchable - Vince just always NEEDS to prove who's in charge - it's called an abuse of power if you ask me). The announcers were aware that they could be drafted so I don't see why you are whining, and J.Rs reaction after getting drafted, shows unproffesional conduct, so to be honest, I don't feel sorry one little bit for J.R. Yea Vince is a dick, but I don't think he is that petty or much of dick to go a head and do it out of spite, from a promoters point of view, it was a good mood, remember how long J.R has been away from a Smackdown comentry set, it's all about shaking things up with it, deal with it!
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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 24, 2008 10:52:53 GMT -5
Let me just say - I am cool with JR on Smackdown - I am.... but I'm not cool with how they did that last night. I really felt bad for him. And while I see it as a positive change, and I am POSITIVE JR will see it as such too for various reasons ... they shouldn't have left him in the dark. He doesn't deserve that. I don't care what Vince's reasons are - I just personally believe Vince gets off on screwing with JR (because Vince sees JR as thinking he's untouchable - Vince just always NEEDS to prove who's in charge - it's called an abuse of power if you ask me). The announcers were aware that they could be drafted so I don't see why you are whining, and J.Rs reaction after getting drafted, shows unproffesional conduct, so to be honest, I don't feel sorry one little bit for J.R. Yea Vince is a dick, but I don't think he is that petty or much of dick to go a head and do it out of spite, from a promoters point of view, it was a good mood, remember how long J.R has been away from a Smackdown comentry set, it's all about shaking things up with it, deal with it! I think you are being a little naive. I AGREE WITH YOU that the announcers were aware they could be drafted but it was just a powerplay by Vince to show JR who's boss. Whether its good for business to move JR to Smackdown, how is it good for business to not tell him ahead of time? It's a scripted show! A terribly scripted show at that... so why, when you decide to add realism to the show, do you do it at the expense of someone WHO VINCE KNOWS IS GOING TO REACT LIKE THAT??? For craps and giggles my friend!! That's it!
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Post by HugoOne on Jun 24, 2008 11:01:05 GMT -5
Let me just say - I am cool with JR on Smackdown - I am.... but I'm not cool with how they did that last night. I really felt bad for him. And while I see it as a positive change, and I am POSITIVE JR will see it as such too for various reasons ... they shouldn't have left him in the dark. He doesn't deserve that. I don't care what Vince's reasons are - I just personally believe Vince gets off on screwing with JR (because Vince sees JR as thinking he's untouchable - Vince just always NEEDS to prove who's in charge - it's called an abuse of power if you ask me). The announcers were aware that they could be drafted so I don't see why you are whining, and J.Rs reaction after getting drafted, shows unproffesional conduct, so to be honest, I don't feel sorry one little bit for J.R. Yea Vince is a dick, but I don't think he is that petty or much of dick to go a head and do it out of spite, from a promoters point of view, it was a good mood, remember how long J.R has been away from a Smackdown comentry set, it's all about shaking things up with it, deal with it! What unprofessional conduct did JR show? He didn't throw his chair down and storm out of the arena. He simply, quietly, took off his headset and changed announcer's tables, and didn't degrade Smackdown! in any way. It sucks to all of a sudden find out your leaving your home for the past 15 years. Vince really just doesn't want JR in commentary. He's fired him twice, he tried to get Coach and Joey Styles in that spot. Really, there should be no other voice on Raw. But I'm just pissed that I'm going to have to listen to Michael Cole yell out "VINTAGE SO-AND-SO!" everytime someone hits a trademark move and consistently ruin big matches with his horrible commentary.
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Post by slappy on Jun 24, 2008 11:04:34 GMT -5
I'm glad they took him off Raw. Now if they could take him off of all the shows.
His reaction to Jericho and Hardy coming back was terrible, along with Lawler's. Maybe they needed the switch.
It got annoying, like they had a who cares attitude while announcing.
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Post by punkforchampion on Jun 24, 2008 11:06:01 GMT -5
Can everybody shut up about the draft for the last day all been hearing what gonna happen now with the titles
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Post by ihavethepower on Jun 24, 2008 11:09:36 GMT -5
Anyone who honestly thinks that Vince DOESN'T get off on being spiteful to JR, is dilusional!!!!
Vince has messed with JR for over a decade. Firing him 3 times over his Bells Palsey, making him kiss Vince's ass in his own hometown of Oklahoma, making him take an ass beating by Stone Cold and getting busted open in his home town of Oklahoma, having him take a beating from HHH that resulted in HHH breaking JR's eye socket and needing surgery, making JR get kicked in the nuts by Linda McMahon, making fun of JR's real life colon cancer operation (colon cancer is one of the most lethal forms of cancer to have).
Is that enough examples?
There was absolutely no need to move Ross on commentary. He's been more than loyal to the company and it's not like JR moving to Smackdown is going to increase those ratings.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 24, 2008 11:13:02 GMT -5
Michael Cole's goofy, cartoonish delivery was much more suited for SmackDown, in my personal opinion. He isn't a terrible commentator, but I think his presence in the place of a legend like Ross definitely makes the show feel less like the top show. Vince consistently pisses on JR, even dating back to the 1990s when he was fired and mocked for developing bell's palsy. I will agree that JR reacted to the news in a somewhat unprofessional manner, but seriously, the guy has been removed from Raw so much that it had to be both a shock and a disappointment for it to happen once again. I'm curious as to why everyone seems to hate JR on such a personal level when he's never done anything to any of you. Yes, his commentary has gotten progressively worse over the years, but the guy has worked hard to get where he's at, shouldn't he be rewarded for his time put in? It's not that big of a deal that he was drafted, but at least he could have stayed and Foley could have been switched with Lawler. What the has Jerry Lawler done recently? His best years in commentary were as the heel color commentator during the mid-to-late 90s and even when he was all excited about women's breasts, at least it was somewhat entertaining. I would argue that Lawler is the lesser of the two and the one who needs a new environment and a resurgence in his career, not JR.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 24, 2008 11:15:45 GMT -5
JR. This is the same ass hole who left the company, had the WWE hire Joey Styles as the lead play-by-play man for RAW, only to wind up essentially firing him when JR decided he wanted to come back. What he did was wrong. Not to mention the fact that he's a terrible announcer now.
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Post by ihavethepower on Jun 24, 2008 11:24:56 GMT -5
JR. This is the same ass hole who left the company, had the WWE hire Joey Styles as the lead play-by-play man for RAW, only to wind up essentially firing him when JR decided he wanted to come back. What he did was wrong. Not to mention the fact that he's a terrible announcer now. Whoa skippy. I am not a "fan of JR" in the sense that I follow his every move. However, I do know that JR has NEVER left the company voluntarily. Vince has yanked him off screen every time. So don't blame JR for Joey Styles.
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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 24, 2008 11:30:21 GMT -5
Let me just say - I'm all about "freshening" up the product! Maybe JR has been on RAW long enough... maybe Michael Cole was the best replacement short or longterm.... I mean I think we can all agree there is no announcer in the company aside from Cole who could step in to that spot at this point ..... HOWEVER, the point of this topic was to address to personal vendetta or jollies Vince gets for making JR look like an ass. We can argue that JR does that to himself - but if you had told your boss at your job you wanted to stay in your current position and then they humiliate you by moving you to another office in front of everyone's watching eyes, how would you feel? Would that make you excited to test new waters? Or would you feel like your boss was simply toying with your emotions because he could? That's the issue.
JR going to Smackdown is fine. However, do you think Triple H would ever get treated that way? I'm sure Trips needed weeks to decide if it was worth it for him to go to Smackdown before he agreed to do it. If they wanted to surprise everyone, hell why not treat Trips the same damn way? I know Trips is a wrestler and does have alot more value to the company and the company's future - but still, JR plays an integral part on the show and I just hate how he is treated like a joke.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 24, 2008 12:49:50 GMT -5
JR. This is the same ass hole who left the company, had the WWE hire Joey Styles as the lead play-by-play man for RAW, only to wind up essentially firing him when JR decided he wanted to come back. What he did was wrong. Not to mention the fact that he's a terrible announcer now. Whoa skippy. I am not a "fan of JR" in the sense that I follow his every move. However, I do know that JR has NEVER left the company voluntarily. Vince has yanked him off screen every time. So don't blame JR for Joey Styles. When JR had his colon surgery, he left the WWE. It had nothing to do with Vince "yanking him off screen," he left on his own under his own free will. After the WWE hired Joey Styles, he said that he would always be willing to give JR his spot back on RAW and accept another position with the company if he ever asked. Well, when Vince tried to turn Joey into a JR clone and that didn't work out, guess who came crawling back after he lashed out at the company for the Vince spoof on JR's colon surgery just a few months earlier? You guessed it, Good O'l JR! He gave Joey the boot when he didn't have to. The WWE and Jim Ross specifically treated Joey Styles like crap. With that being said...if JR was actually a GOOD announcer, I might be upset about him leaving RAW. But he isn't...he shows no enthusiasm and calls moves by their wrong names. Why should anyone care about him leaving RAW? Who cares about how good of an announcer he used to be. Right now, Michael Cole is the best play-by-play man in the company next to Joey Styles.
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Post by Graze on Jun 24, 2008 13:14:37 GMT -5
Whoa skippy. I am not a "fan of JR" in the sense that I follow his every move. However, I do know that JR has NEVER left the company voluntarily. Vince has yanked him off screen every time. So don't blame JR for Joey Styles. When JR had his colon surgery, he left the WWE. It had nothing to do with Vince "yanking him off screen," he left on his own under his own free will. After the WWE hired Joey Styles, he said that he would always be willing to give JR his spot back on RAW and accept another position with the company if he ever asked. Well, when Vince tried to turn Joey into a JR clone and that didn't work out, guess who came crawling back after he lashed out at the company for the Vince spoof on JR's colon surgery just a few months earlier? You guessed it, Good O'l JR! He gave Joey the boot when he didn't have to. The WWE and Jim Ross specifically treated Joey Styles like crap. With that being said...if JR was actually a GOOD announcer, I might be upset about him leaving RAW. But he isn't...he shows no enthusiasm and calls moves by their wrong names. Why should anyone care about him leaving RAW? Who cares about how good of an announcer he used to be. Right now, Michael Cole is the best play-by-play man in the company next to Joey Styles. JR, has never begged or demanded to be back on WWE TV. Vince is the one to blame. Vince has wanted to replace JR for years, and everytime he does, it fails, so guess who Vince goes back to? thats right, JR. Why bother to change the annoucners anyways? It just seemed like a useless draft move.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 13:27:14 GMT -5
he still makes tons of money and is on a globally-televised wrestling show, what does he have to complain about?
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