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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 3:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by rustyy on Jan 26, 2015 3:42:24 GMT -5
Watching Sting perform as WM is it for me, I can feel it. WWE no longer has ANYTHING to offer me. Same here, just not about Sting. This will probably be the last few months I actively watch Raw/PPV. They refuse to listen to the fans, they constantly push the wrong people who can't talk, they are getting more PG by the day, and Vince is as senile as ever. If they continue down this path, I can't see a long life for this company. They've already got to be hemorrhaging money thanks to the network, and now the cancellations. It's all just about to burst. They've gone back to the niche in the public eye, and currently they are trying to do everything they can to alienate that niche. Fans want Bryan/Ambrose/Ziggler, lets give them Reigns/Big Show/Kane. They want Sting, have Sting show up randomly and point and never clarify his point, the only positive they have is Rollins and it seems inevitable they will ruin that too, he's taken 2 pins in a week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 3:54:10 GMT -5
They refuse to listen to the fans Damn them. Never listening to the fans.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 26, 2015 3:59:41 GMT -5
They refuse to listen to the fans Damn them. Never listening to the fans. Don't bring logic in, Anvil.
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Post by rustyy on Jan 26, 2015 4:12:28 GMT -5
They refuse to listen to the fans Damn them. Never listening to the fans. Oh great, you know that one time a whole year ago when they listened. Such consistency. They shouldn't be forced to listen, they should willingly.
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Jan 26, 2015 4:13:52 GMT -5
Damn them. Never listening to the fans. Don't bring logic in, Anvil. I think your both missing the point. I think that picture actually proves the point that they don't listen. Because for the following year the crowd chanted for Bryan when he was not in the Rumble. Does that tell you they do for a fact listen to the fans? Or does that tell you they only listen when we boo their Rumble winner going into WM? Only difference is this is the WWE knowingly is doing this again. And are willing to bet themselves it won't get too bad for Roman like it was for Batista. So then the WWE can move forward with what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 4:20:44 GMT -5
Roman ing Reigns everybody. I'm so happy right now
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 26, 2015 4:42:16 GMT -5
Anvil Fan wins again. Watching Sting perform as WM is it for me, I can feel it. WWE no longer has ANYTHING to offer me. Same here, just not about Sting. This will probably be the last few months I actively watch Raw/PPV. You said you stopped watching months ago.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 26, 2015 4:51:30 GMT -5
Having had a few hours to cool off from the result, I can still say with honesty that this is among the worst booking decisions I have seen in my time as a fan. And what's particularly awful about the situation is that it could have easily been avoided. Yes, I understand that Roman Reigns is the guy who WWE is going to mold into their top star. Last I checked, however, their top star is still active. He's still moving merchandise like crazy and on television every week. There's no need to rush the "crowning" of Roman as THE guy in the company. Had WWE waited another year at least to put the rocket on Roman's back into the main event of WrestleMania, all would have been fine. Instead, what we got was by far the most forced victory of the modern era. So bad that WWE needed to send in The Rock in an attempt to legitimize Roman in the eyes of the fans. And what happened? Philly still booed the living sh*t out of Roman. This was the worst possible way for the Royal Rumble match to go. So for everyone who is happy about Roman Reigns winning, enjoy watching him be hated and chastised by fans for the rest of his career because WWE didn't know how to book him properly.
Some people have said things along the lines of, "Oh, you should have seen this coming." Here's the thing. I didn't know for certain if Roman Reigns was going to win because last year, WWE proved that they're not totally inept, or at least I thought so. After CM Punk walked out, they didn't have to put Daniel Bryan in the main event. They did so, however, because of the fan backlash. For that reason alone, I believed in the possibility of Bryan winning because WWE should have known that if he didn't, the audience was going to let them have it. And it wasn't just the fact that Bryan lost that irritated me, but the ridiculousness of his booking. He's literally in the match for, what, under ten minutes? And doesn't even last halfway through? The term 'basic booking' has become sort of a meme around here, but I'm serious when I say that giving Bryan a great showing into the final four of the match was legitimate 'basic booking' if he wasn't going to win. Yet somehow, WWE failed to realize that and allowed everyone, sans Ziggler, Ambrose and Mizdow, who entered following Bryan's elimination to be the victim of hostility at the fault of the creative team.
Daniel Bryan wasn't the best pick to win because he's an internet darling who we all bow to and want to blow while calling him "Bryan Danielson" or "American Dragon." He was the best pick because it made the most Goddamn sense. You have a guy who the fans adore. Absolutely love. And that's not just the IWC that I'm referring to. Hardcores, casuals, Bryan's fanbase expands across all types of consumers. After finally getting what we wanted with his title win at WrestleMania, it all came crashing down because of something that was out of everyone's hands. It was devastating to see Bryan be stripped out of the title, and even more so to know that there was a possibility that he may never wrestle again. When it was confirmed that Bryan was cleared to be in the Royal Rumble match, that should have ended all discussion within the company about Reigns going over. Bryan's story wrote itself. He comes back from a career-threatening injury to win the Royal Rumble and against all odds, defeats the unstoppable Brock Lesnar to regain the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Some people had issues with that due to it "not being believable." To which I will always refer to Bryan's entire WrestleMania XXX if we want to talk about believability and logic that really don't exist in the real of professional wrestling. Bryan going over Brock would have been completely fine. And if WWE wanted to, Seth Rollins could have cashed-in on Bryan to resume his feud with The Authority that never had closure.
Had WWE not dismantled Dean Ambrose's character, I think he would have been on an even level with Daniel Bryan for the Royal Rumble victory. Back to the "believability" part, Ambrose is someone who would be willing to do anything and everything to defeat Lesnar, even if that meant causing himself bodily harm. Imagine the scene of Lesnar hitting Ambrose with German Suplex after German Suplex, only for Ambrose to get to his feet and stare at Lesnar with the most sadistic and crazed facial expression possible. Dolph Ziggler was another option, mainly because aside from Sting, he was made out to be the biggest star at Survivor Series. The Authority was initially banished because of him. Dolph could have built on that momentum between Survivor Series and now to win the Royal Rumble match and have a fantastic bout with Lesnar at WrestleMania. He is the most deserving guy on roster of a huge WrestleMania moment, but he's not going to get it this year because WWE went with someone whose entire body is less talented and charismatic than Dolph's pinky.
Many people have expressed their displeasure by cancelling their Network subscriptions or vowing to not watch WWE programming any further. I'm not going to do either because I can't imagine my life without the WWE. And that might be a tad bit dramatic, but it's how I genuinely feel. I'll be watching Raw tonight. I'll be watching Fast Lane. I'll be watching WrestleMania. Hell, I might be going to WrestleMania next year. And that's because I love this industry so much and that won't change. And as someone who loves it, I will voice my opinion whenever the WWE decides to pull stupid sh*t like this.
Call me a smark. Call me an indy darling-loving fanboy. Quote whatever I say with pics and gifs. of somebody crying. I don't care. I'm a professional wrestling fan who is saddened and disappointed with the fact that after all of this time, the WWE still doesn't understand.
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Post by rustyy on Jan 26, 2015 4:55:16 GMT -5
Anvil Fan wins again. Same here, just not about Sting. This will probably be the last few months I actively watch Raw/PPV. You said you stopped watching months ago. False. I said I stopped watching full Raws. I always watch highlights and segments with my favorites.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 4:58:16 GMT -5
#CancelWWENetwork is trending. People are this butthurt about Roman Reigns winning? Talk about taking wrestling way too seriously. Like I get it, you like Reigns but you don't think hes ready. But you knew this was coming. Like Batista last year and John Cena in 2013. So why act surprised anymore? Why get this butthurt over something you knew was going to happen. I'm not one of these people angry. I have complete faith in WWE that they know what they're doing. They've never let me down before. I guess since I dont care for Ambrose, Bryan or Ziggler that I didn't have a problem and don't see the problem. Dean Ambrose is great but he's not WWE Championship material anytime soon. He's a solid higher midcard wrestler, especially with the gimmick he has. Daniel Bryan got injured and was out for 9 months. You can't expect WWE to stop the storylines they had going just for him to get him back into the title scene. He's going to get back there, just give WWE some time. Ziggler is the same as Ambrose. I'm not saying Ziggler doesn't deserve a title run, but you can't expect Dolph to be a long time title holder. This is all so comical I couldn't help but laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:08:43 GMT -5
Im still flabbergasted by what went down.....or should I say not what went down? but the way it did.
I don't understand why Bryan wasn't featured better in the RR....I really don't. Yeah ok RR wins and that's ok with me.....I was rooting for Bryan but they wanted RR-cool beans.
But surely they don't think that they aren't facing the same scenario as last year? Unless their plan is to turn Reigns? and I really don't think it is.....
I felt sorry for him.....that crowd reaction was soley to do with how this match was booked IMO and not the winner.....but it is he(unfortunately) who will feel 100% of the backlash.
I mean they understand that they didn't want Bryan to win......but Holy moses there was at least 5 better ways to book that RR.
ah well!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:20:22 GMT -5
Im still flabbergasted by what went down.....or should I say not what went down? but the way it did. I don't understand why Bryan wasn't featured better in the RR....I really don't. Yeah ok RR wins and that's ok with me.....I was rooting for Bryan but they wanted RR-cool beans. But surely they don't think that they aren't facing the same scenario as last year? Unless their plan is to turn Reigns? and I really don't think it is..... I felt sorry for him.....that crowd reaction was soley to do with how this match was booked IMO and not the winner.....but it is he(unfortunately) who will feel 100% of the backlash. I mean they understand that they didn't want Bryan to win......but Holy moses there was at least 5 better ways to book that RR. ah well!! It had alot to do with the winner.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jan 26, 2015 5:31:36 GMT -5
After having some time to think about it, I don't even think it was Roman winning that pissed me off. That was like a conclusion I saw coming soooo long ago that it's impossible to get mad at that.
The thing that made me mad is how they went about it. They have this guy that is their hand picked golden boy while guys that the fans have made it abundantly clear are their guys were made to look like total knobs. Bryan was eliminated I believe less than 10 minutes after he entered. Ambrose, Ziggler and Wyatt were just dumped over the top like a bunch of geeks. I've never imagined a company would go that far out of their way to crap all over the fans. That's what has left such a sour taste in my mouth.
It almost makes a fan question wanting to get behind anybody for fear that they are just going to be made to look like the biggest chumps on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:32:24 GMT -5
Im still flabbergasted by what went down.....or should I say not what went down? but the way it did. I don't understand why Bryan wasn't featured better in the RR....I really don't. Yeah ok RR wins and that's ok with me.....I was rooting for Bryan but they wanted RR-cool beans. But surely they don't think that they aren't facing the same scenario as last year? Unless their plan is to turn Reigns? and I really don't think it is..... I felt sorry for him.....that crowd reaction was soley to do with how this match was booked IMO and not the winner.....but it is he(unfortunately) who will feel 100% of the backlash. I mean they understand that they didn't want Bryan to win......but Holy moses there was at least 5 better ways to book that RR. ah well!! It had alot to do with the winner. I suppose.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jan 26, 2015 5:34:12 GMT -5
Im still flabbergasted by what went down.....or should I say not what went down? but the way it did. I don't understand why Bryan wasn't featured better in the RR....I really don't. Yeah ok RR wins and that's ok with me.....I was rooting for Bryan but they wanted RR-cool beans. But surely they don't think that they aren't facing the same scenario as last year? Unless their plan is to turn Reigns? and I really don't think it is..... I felt sorry for him.....that crowd reaction was soley to do with how this match was booked IMO and not the winner.....but it is he(unfortunately) who will feel 100% of the backlash. I mean they understand that they didn't want Bryan to win......but Holy moses there was at least 5 better ways to book that RR. ah well!! you pretty much nailed my feelings. I'd made peace with Bryan not winning (i even picked Roman to win in the prediction league), it just felt like the whole thing could have been handled way better. Bryan could have played a better role and at least been authority eliminated. The spot with Kane and Big Show's elimination was pathetic.. and yeah bringing in Rock was a cowardly approach. Just write it better. Edit. I also feel bad for Reigns. Its not his fault, but the tide was against him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 6:17:55 GMT -5
wheeling out the Rock to try soften the reaction was also pathetic IMO.....man what a mess. Raw will be interesting in the coming weeks.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jan 26, 2015 6:27:46 GMT -5
I mean come on we know Roman was gonna win and I think he's going to be the next big star. The roster is already thin, I wish the fans would stop being so annoying and just give the guy his moment.
I love dbry but enough. Has anyone considered he's coming off a major injury and might not be ready to carry the belt and all the press n other responsibilities that come with it. I don't wanna see Dbry win again at mania or him vs brock. Reigns is the next guy, deal with it.
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Post by GBM™ on Jan 26, 2015 6:37:00 GMT -5
I mean come on we know Roman was gonna win and I think he's going to be the next big star. The roster is already thin, I wish the fans would stop being so annoying and just give the guy his moment. I love dbry but enough. Has anyone considered he's coming off a major injury and might not be ready to carry the belt and all the press n other responsibilities that come with it. I don't wanna see Dbry win again at mania or him vs brock. Reigns is the next guy, deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 6:58:52 GMT -5
Roman winning was 100%, categorically the right decision. There was no other logical choice. This entire thing with Brock has been brewing to create a new star, BRYAN IS ALREADY A STAR. He did NOT need this. Going over Brock will do absolutely nothing for him in the long run. He just went over 4 of the industries biggest stars of all time in the period from Summerslam 2013 to Wrestlemania 30.
The rumble itself could have been booked better, there weren't enough big stars in it. And they really squandered some moments that could have been great (like the Dudleys vs The Wyatts and Mizdow throwing himself out after Miz is eliminated). The main problem was that there were too many quick eliminations, which was a direct result of having way too many Tyson Kidd/Titus ONiell/Zack Ryder jobbers in it. It could have really benefitted from having Orton and Sheamus enter and be there at the end to at least shed a little doubt on the end result (F4 could have been Roman-Bryan-Orton-Sheamus).
Regardless, I'm pleased with the end result and we are in for a cracker at Wrestlemania.
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