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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 28, 2015 15:41:23 GMT -5
The sad thing is that it's all so simple. Put the belt on Bryan at WM 31 and put the belt on Reigns at WM 32. Do that, and I think you make the majority of the fans happy. Instead, they're taking a guy whose moment is now and who may be performing on borrowed time and pushing him aside, and they're taking a guy who has his prime years still ahead of him and destroying his future. I hate what's happening to both of them. I really do. If Bryan had won the Rumble, all the heat would have been off Reigns. Win-Win. Instead we go Lose-Lose. If this is the way it's going to go down, and it sure looks like it is, I hope the fans will at least cut Reigns some slack. It's the WF fan logic mate. If Bryan doesn't win the title at every Mania, until he retires or they find a new person to root for, they wouldn't be happy.This place would have been split into halves if someone like Ambrose would have won the Rumble. I don't think it's that. Bryan never lost the title to anyone. He was forced to vacant it. That's why everyone, including myself, is complaining about the situation. He deserves a rematch. Even though Bryan defeated Batista, Randy, and HHH at WM30, The Authority storyline is far from over. I would've had Bryan win the Rumble, face Kane at Fast Lane, then go on to face The Authority's top heel, Seth Rollins for the WWE Championship. Instead, we'll see Bryan cloud around the upper mid card in a meaningless feud.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2015 15:49:44 GMT -5
In my absolute honest opinion, the best option would have been; Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania 31. Bryan would scratch and claw and use everything in his being to finally overcome the Beast... only t have it all taken away from him with a cash in from Seth Rollins to close out Wrestlemania. The Match would be great, the Story would sell, there would be no risk as Bryan is already over and a Star, and it would instantly build a new Star in Seth Rollins, whilst also giving him the ultimate amount of heel heat by doing that to everyone's much loved Daniel Bryan. Then, Roman Reigns could have his moment at Summerslam when he has had an extra 8 months or so to get ready, not rushed, forced, unnatural. Instead, we have a situation where we have Roman Reigns, a guy we can all see has potential and the credentials, but has been completely rushed and forced fed to us, vs Lesnar who we all know will be leaving. I have a bad feeling this could end up being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg II. This whole thing has been brewing since Brock ended the streak. All of this is intended to MAKE a new star. There's absolutely no sense in wasting that on Bryan. He's already a star, he went through 4 of the biggest stars in the history of the business between Summerslam 2013 and Wrestlemania 30, 3 of which were on the same night. He's already there. I understand that. I know Bryan is ready made, and this Platform should be use to build another Star. But if this other Star is clearly not ready, it will only backfire and do him more harm than good, so holding it off wouldn't hurt him. They could even go with Brock Lesnar vs The Rock for the Title and have Lesnar retain up until Summerslam that way, the principle would still be the same, only Reigns would genuinely have the audience naturally behind him rather than being told to and forced upon them in that spot for no real reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 15:51:04 GMT -5
This whole thing has been brewing since Brock ended the streak. All of this is intended to MAKE a new star. There's absolutely no sense in wasting that on Bryan. He's already a star, he went through 4 of the biggest stars in the history of the business between Summerslam 2013 and Wrestlemania 30, 3 of which were on the same night. He's already there. I understand that. I know Bryan is ready made, and this Platform should be use to build another Star. But if this other Star is clearly not ready, it will only backfire and do him more harm than good, so holding it off wouldn't hurt him. They could even go with Brock Lesnar vs The Rock for the Title and have Lesnar retain up until Summerslam that way, the principle would still be the same, only Reigns would genuinely have the audience naturally behind him rather than being told to and forced upon them in that spot for no real reason. IMO, Reigns is ready. I see so much untapped potential there. The booking may be questionable, but the talent isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 16:58:25 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I'm trying to figure out what's so bad about what he says here. He's stating a simple fact. The business feels they know what is best for their business, and that's what they're going to do. All Roman is saying, is what anyone would say, in their given job. If the company is going to do what they're going to do, hopefully I'm going to benefit from it. Cool. Put food on your family's table. Doesn't sound like a d-bag to me, at all. Sounds like a father, and provider hoping he gets the rub when the company makes their call. Same as anyone else working for the company does, I'm sure. Maybe it was taken out of context but I am really against the "I make big money so f da haters" mentality is all. Reings seriously generates more discussion than the TNA section. That's amusing.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 28, 2015 18:24:20 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I think he'd be a much better promo as a heel. Every response that he gave to Michael Cole on Monday just sounded so unnatural. As a heel, lines such as, "My pocket ain't hurting, so I don't give a damn what any of you people think of me" would be much better suited for him.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jan 28, 2015 21:32:28 GMT -5
Fact is that Bryan is the most popular star they've had since Stone Cold, and they refuse to push him out of spite. He's more popular than Cena, Orton, Edge, Hardy, Punk, Rey, or any other top guy has been over the past 15 years. Cena is more popular than Bryan. He's still selling a ton more merch than anyone else. It's VERY easy for people to sit there and cheer for Bryan and boo Cena. So Bryan's fans are one of two things; either they're the whiny, vocal minority, or they're the type of fan not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Either way Cena is more over than Bryan. I usually ignore your insane responses to anything anyone says, but that's a goddamn lie and you know it. Cena is lucky to get a 50/50 response on any given night, t-shirt sales sure as don't relate to being over. Night after night for the past year and a half Daniel Bryan blows the roof off of every building he's been in. Hell, even when he's NOT there the crowds chant for him. It's the fact that he's had SUSTAINED popularity that makes him over. Look at Ryder, he was on absolute fire and WWE did what they could to kill him and it worked. But they're doing the same crap with Bryan but he still gets better reactions than anyone on the roster. Or even than the Rock. Seriously, how in the can you call Bryan fans a minority when he has entire arenas going nuts for him? Maybe the reason Cena's shirts sell so well is because only Cena fans (children and absolute morons) are the only people who would be caught dead wearing a wrestling shirt in public?
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Post by Triple S on Jan 28, 2015 21:43:29 GMT -5
Reigns/Lesnar WILL be on the level of Lesnar/Goldberg. The question is, who/what will the WWE add to take away some of the heat?
WMXX had Austin as the special guest referee. WMXXX had Daniel Bryan added, to make it a Triple Threat match.
Something has to give, or Roman is getting eaten alive on March 29th.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 28, 2015 21:47:41 GMT -5
Reigns/Lesnar WILL be on the level of Lesnar/Goldberg. The question is, who/what will the WWE add to take away some of the heat? WMXX had Austin as the special guest referee. WMXXX had Daniel Bryan added, to make it a Triple Threat match. Something has to give, or Roman is getting eaten alive on March 29th. I really don't think that WWE is going to do anything. Vince is fully intent on having Lesnar and Reigns close the show. Everything is going to go wrong.
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Post by jakksking1 on Jan 28, 2015 21:49:09 GMT -5
I haven't read through all the pages, but do you think they are going to have Heyman tone it down on the mic? All of Lesnars opponents can hold their own on the mic. Roman is going to get destroyed. Unless they have the Rock come out every week,now are those promos between Heyman and Roman gonna go?
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Post by Planktung on Jan 28, 2015 21:51:44 GMT -5
Someone on Reddit asked for, "Reigns, Reigns, go away! Come again another day!" to become chant.
That sounds fun as hell.
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Post by jnavo217 on Jan 28, 2015 22:05:23 GMT -5
I hate how people come in these threads and insult the "smarks" for not being sheep and just buying into what is shoved down our throats each week. Ya, Bryan won at WMXXX, and it was one of the COOLEST moments I've ever witnessed in wrestling history, but if it wasn't for CM Punk leaving and the absurd backlash given to Batista, it literally would've been Orton/Batista with my dear friend Batista telling all of us to just "DEAL WITH IT!" They pride themselves on listening to what the people want, but yet it never seems to happen. Sure, the IWC isn't the whole world, but it makes up a big majority of wrestling fans. I don't even hate Roman Reigns, he's cool, pretty likeable, was bound to be a star, but he looked TERRIBLE in the RR, has one big win vs. Orton at SS, everything else came with the shield, and now Ambrose is like a joke and Rollins is an up and comer, but he still constantly loses too! I just don't want this guy shoved in my face for the next 10 years ALA Cena where if I don't like it, I get called a cry-baby for it. All of you will be SICK of the reigns show in 6 months who defend him, and his figures will be clogging shelves just like Cena...Guess we will just have to DEAL WITH IT.
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Post by jnavo217 on Jan 28, 2015 22:13:46 GMT -5
Cena is more popular than Bryan. He's still selling a ton more merch than anyone else. It's VERY easy for people to sit there and cheer for Bryan and boo Cena. So Bryan's fans are one of two things; either they're the whiny, vocal minority, or they're the type of fan not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Either way Cena is more over than Bryan. I usually ignore your insane responses to anything anyone says, but that's a goddamn lie and you know it. Cena is lucky to get a 50/50 response on any given night, t-shirt sales sure as don't relate to being over. Night after night for the past year and a half Daniel Bryan blows the roof off of every building he's been in. Hell, even when he's NOT there the crowds chant for him. It's the fact that he's had SUSTAINED popularity that makes him over. Look at Ryder, he was on absolute fire and WWE did what they could to kill him and it worked. But they're doing the same crap with Bryan but he still gets better reactions than anyone on the roster. Or even than the Rock. Seriously, how in the can you call Bryan fans a minority when he has entire arenas going nuts for him? Maybe the reason Cena's shirts sell so well is because only Cena fans (children and absolute morons) are the only people who would be caught dead wearing a wrestling shirt in public? I can't STAND the merchandise argument...Cena has 800038036889054308960 more items than EVERYBODY ELSE, OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO GET MORE SALES! He comes out every raw with a new stupid towel, a new stupid baseball cap, a brand new shirt, a new pair of JORTS I am sure they sell. Bryan has like 3 t-shirts and a hoodey, I've bought them all, what the hell else is there to buy?! Cena will ALWAYS win in merchandise when he's getting new merchandise shoved down our throats every damn week!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 22:18:53 GMT -5
In my absolute honest opinion, the best option would have been; Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania 31. Bryan would scratch and claw and use everything in his being to finally overcome the Beast... only t have it all taken away from him with a cash in from Seth Rollins to close out Wrestlemania. The Match would be great, the Story would sell, there would be no risk as Bryan is already over and a Star, and it would instantly build a new Star in Seth Rollins, whilst also giving him the ultimate amount of heel heat by doing that to everyone's much loved Daniel Bryan. Then, Roman Reigns could have his moment at Summerslam when he has had an extra 8 months or so to get ready, not rushed, forced, unnatural. Instead, we have a situation where we have Roman Reigns, a guy we can all see has potential and the credentials, but has been completely rushed and forced fed to us, vs Lesnar who we all know will be leaving. I have a bad feeling this could end up being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg II. This whole thing has been brewing since Brock ended the streak. All of this is intended to MAKE a new star. There's absolutely no sense in wasting that on Bryan. He's already a star, he went through 4 of the biggest stars in the history of the business between Summerslam 2013 and Wrestlemania 30, 3 of which were on the same night. He's already there. This all the way. I honestly don't understand why people want daniel bryan champion again.I get that his injuries held him back from having a good run with the belt but he just came back from an injury he should NOT be champion for at least maybe another year until he's 100%.Like Anvil said he's already a main eventer he overcame his obstacles and I don't want to see this again.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 28, 2015 22:29:06 GMT -5
I haven't read through all the pages, but do you think they are going to have Heyman tone it down on the mic? All of Lesnars opponents can hold their own on the mic. Roman is going to get destroyed. Unless they have the Rock come out every week,now are those promos between Heyman and Roman gonna go? Heyman will be a godsend to Reigns. Much like a superior worker in the ring, Heyman will protect Reigns and make him look good on the mic. If Reigns' mic skills don't improve significantly after 60 days with Heyman, there's little hope for him in that department. Who has more experience more than Heyman when it comes to teaching young talent how to cut promos?
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Post by jnavo217 on Jan 28, 2015 22:52:17 GMT -5
I haven't read through all the pages, but do you think they are going to have Heyman tone it down on the mic? All of Lesnars opponents can hold their own on the mic. Roman is going to get destroyed. Unless they have the Rock come out every week,now are those promos between Heyman and Roman gonna go? Heyman will be a godsend to Reigns. Much like a superior worker in the ring, Heyman will protect Reigns and make him look good on the mic. If Reigns' mic skills don't improve significantly after 60 days with Heyman, there's little hope for him in that department. Who has more experience more than Heyman when it comes to teaching young talent how to cut promos? Pretty sure he's talking about the promos with heyman with Lesnar as his client, NOT with reigns as his client
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Post by facemeat on Jan 28, 2015 23:10:48 GMT -5
I hate how people come in these threads and insult the "smarks" for not being sheep and just buying into what is shoved down our throats each week. Ya, Bryan won at WMXXX, and it was one of the COOLEST moments I've ever witnessed in wrestling history, but if it wasn't for CM Punk leaving and the absurd backlash given to Batista, it literally would've been Orton/Batista with my dear friend Batista telling all of us to just "DEAL WITH IT!" They pride themselves on listening to what the people want, but yet it never seems to happen. Sure, the IWC isn't the whole world, but it makes up a big majority of wrestling fans. I don't even hate Roman Reigns, he's cool, pretty likeable, was bound to be a star, but he looked TERRIBLE in the RR, has one big win vs. Orton at SS, everything else came with the shield, and now Ambrose is like a joke and Rollins is an up and comer, but he still constantly loses too! I just don't want this guy shoved in my face for the next 10 years ALA Cena where if I don't like it, I get called a cry-baby for it. All of you will be SICK of the reigns show in 6 months who defend him, and his figures will be clogging shelves just like Cena...Guess we will just have to DEAL WITH IT. That's ultimately why I'm so against this Reigns megapush. The thought that we might be in for another decade of Cena (transplanted into a less talented Samoan body) is depressing. I'm also totally with you on the "smark" bashing point. I don't really understand why people are ridiculed simply for sharing a negative opinion about one aspect of a TV show. If you want to share your positive opinion on the Reigns situation, that's great, but there's no reason to make it personal.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 28, 2015 23:21:54 GMT -5
I hate how people come in these threads and insult the "smarks" for not being sheep and just buying into what is shoved down our throats each week. Ya, Bryan won at WMXXX, and it was one of the COOLEST moments I've ever witnessed in wrestling history, but if it wasn't for CM Punk leaving and the absurd backlash given to Batista, it literally would've been Orton/Batista with my dear friend Batista telling all of us to just "DEAL WITH IT!" They pride themselves on listening to what the people want, but yet it never seems to happen. Sure, the IWC isn't the whole world, but it makes up a big majority of wrestling fans. I don't even hate Roman Reigns, he's cool, pretty likeable, was bound to be a star, but he looked TERRIBLE in the RR, has one big win vs. Orton at SS, everything else came with the shield, and now Ambrose is like a joke and Rollins is an up and comer, but he still constantly loses too! I just don't want this guy shoved in my face for the next 10 years ALA Cena where if I don't like it, I get called a cry-baby for it. All of you will be SICK of the reigns show in 6 months who defend him, and his figures will be clogging shelves just like Cena...Guess we will just have to DEAL WITH IT. That's ultimately why I'm so against this Reigns megapush. The thought that we might be in for another decade of Cena (transplanted into a less talented Samoan body) is depressing. Much like John Cena, Roman Reigns can improve. As long as he does, then I won't dread the idea of him someday being the top star. It's just the fact that WWE is trying to force him into that slot right now that pisses me off heavily. He's a great prospect for the future. Not the present.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 28, 2015 23:31:24 GMT -5
That's ultimately why I'm so against this Reigns megapush. The thought that we might be in for another decade of Cena (transplanted into a less talented Samoan body) is depressing. Much like John Cena, Roman Reigns can improve. As long as he does, then I won't dread the idea of him someday being the top star. It's just the fact that WWE is trying to force him into that slot right now that pisses me off heavily. He's a great prospect for the future. Not the present. Honestly, the idea of any one person being booked like Cena for the next decade is depressing...as much as I dislike Reigns, that's not even really about him. I just hope that kind of booking can die off in general.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 28, 2015 23:36:49 GMT -5
This whole thing has been brewing since Brock ended the streak. All of this is intended to MAKE a new star. There's absolutely no sense in wasting that on Bryan. He's already a star, he went through 4 of the biggest stars in the history of the business between Summerslam 2013 and Wrestlemania 30, 3 of which were on the same night. He's already there. This all the way. I honestly don't understand why people want daniel bryan champion again.I get that his injuries held him back from having a good run with the belt but he just came back from an injury he should NOT be champion for at least maybe another year until he's 100%.Like Anvil said he's already a main eventer he overcame his obstacles and I don't want to see this again. The thing is, Bryan is who the fans wants. Hes the most over guy in the company and he's 34. Why wait another year? Run with him while he's hot and give Roman time to improve. Honestly though, im tired of this subject but its gonna be the topic for another 60 plus days.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 28, 2015 23:53:39 GMT -5
Heyman will be a godsend to Reigns. Much like a superior worker in the ring, Heyman will protect Reigns and make him look good on the mic. If Reigns' mic skills don't improve significantly after 60 days with Heyman, there's little hope for him in that department. Who has more experience more than Heyman when it comes to teaching young talent how to cut promos? Pretty sure he's talking about the promos with heyman with Lesnar as his client, NOT with reigns as his client That's what I was talking about as well. Heyman is Lesnar's advocate, and for the next 60 days, Heyman and Lesnar will be in a program with Reigns. That means opportunities for all three to cut promos like the one they did on Monday night, and with Lesnar's schedule, plenty of opportunities for one on one promos with Heyman and Reigns. Can Heyman go out there and bury Reigns? Of course he can, but he can also carry the promo the way a worker can carry a match and make Reigns look good. i'm also talking about Reigns learning from Heyman off camera, which he should.
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