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Post by Prophet of Ash on Dec 16, 2014 20:32:46 GMT -5
One message board about wrestling figures where even half the guys wouldn't buy it makes a terrible business decision for Mattel. The ten of you should get together and have customs made. Mattel isn't obligated due to wrestling history to make every champ. WWE themselves would likely not agree with including him even.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 21:15:44 GMT -5
The guy who doesn't want the buddy Rogers figure is doing a great job keeping this thread alive and getting it more recognition.
That guys mama didn't raise no fool
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Post by xralphiex on Dec 16, 2014 21:25:28 GMT -5
I'd love a Goon figure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 21:40:07 GMT -5
You lost me at sycho sid. I want sycho sid.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Dec 16, 2014 21:48:30 GMT -5
It was naive of me to hope that I could start a Wfigs thread without trolls running it into the ground. WWE obviously thinks high enough of him to put him into the Hall of Fame. Without him, we may have never gotten Billy Graham and without Billy Graham, we may have never gotten Hulk Hogan, without Hogan, there is no WWE Elite line, because there is no WWE.
Without Rogers, if wrestling even still existed, it would still be nothing more than a rigged amateur match. Rogers was the first guy to extensively use moves like drop kicks, running off the ropes, and body slams, which became the popular style after his success.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Dec 16, 2014 21:51:59 GMT -5
You lost me at sycho sid. I want sycho sid. I want Sid pretty badly too, but I consider him a lock to be made at some point if it's possible, Buddy isn't. From the figures Mattel has made already I think it's safe to assume MDT knows Earthquake, Anvil, Beefcake, Sid, and 92 Bulldog are missing. They made Papa Shango, I think we'll see Sid eventually. I wish Sid and Shango stayed together so we'd have insane promos where Sid attempts to explain his relationship with Shango. I loved the end of WM8.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 0:25:03 GMT -5
How is a statement backed up by actual logic dumb? Its not logic, its opinion. Just because you're not old enough to know about Buddy Rogers or you refuse to educate yourself on him doesnt mean your opinion is right. There are no right or wrong opinions. Facts are the only things that can separate right and wrong. Its a FACT that WWWF trusted Buddy Rogers to be their First Champion. They did it because it gave legitimacy to their title. Without having legitimacy to the WWWF Title, it would have been swallowed up and spit out as nothing just like all other territorial titles were when being compared to the much more prestigious NWA World Title. Because of Rogers having the "it factor" of that era...It gave WWWF the grounds to stand on to build the foundation that we as wrestling fans now enjoy. THAT is having an effect on history. Then there is the term "Nature Boy" who yes, Ric Flair did get his name and some of his mannerisms from. Without Buddy Rogers there is no Ric Flair. Without Ric Flair there is no Jim Crockett Promotions. Without JCP there is no competition for WWF and without competition there probably wouldnt be a Wrestlemania, WWE, WWE Network or WWE Universe...Little less a WCW. So, feel free to try to define your opinion with "logic" as now you've been educated in FACTS about Buddy Rogers. You're Welcome! Lol, so your saying it isn't fact that Russo didn't affect wrestling history more than buddy Rogers? If you want some facts then here you go, I just thought a wrestling figure forum would know a little more about the man who saved Wwf, First off it's fact that Vince Russo was the head writer of the Wwf in 1997, he created stone cold, dx, and the nation of domination, so yeah I'd say that's way more than what buddy Rogers did for the sport. So there is you some FACTS about how without Russo wwe would have not been in business so I'd say saving the company is more important but I guess you didn't think that was important.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Dec 17, 2014 3:30:13 GMT -5
Its not logic, its opinion. Just because you're not old enough to know about Buddy Rogers or you refuse to educate yourself on him doesnt mean your opinion is right. There are no right or wrong opinions. Facts are the only things that can separate right and wrong. Its a FACT that WWWF trusted Buddy Rogers to be their First Champion. They did it because it gave legitimacy to their title. Without having legitimacy to the WWWF Title, it would have been swallowed up and spit out as nothing just like all other territorial titles were when being compared to the much more prestigious NWA World Title. Because of Rogers having the "it factor" of that era...It gave WWWF the grounds to stand on to build the foundation that we as wrestling fans now enjoy. THAT is having an effect on history. Then there is the term "Nature Boy" who yes, Ric Flair did get his name and some of his mannerisms from. Without Buddy Rogers there is no Ric Flair. Without Ric Flair there is no Jim Crockett Promotions. Without JCP there is no competition for WWF and without competition there probably wouldnt be a Wrestlemania, WWE, WWE Network or WWE Universe...Little less a WCW. So, feel free to try to define your opinion with "logic" as now you've been educated in FACTS about Buddy Rogers. You're Welcome! Lol, so your saying it isn't fact that Russo didn't affect wrestling history more than buddy Rogers? If you want some facts then here you go, I just thought a wrestling figure forum would know a little more about the man who saved Wwf, First off it's fact that Vince Russo was the head writer of the Wwf in 1997, he created stone cold, dx, and the nation of domination, so yeah I'd say that's way more than what buddy Rogers did for the sport. So there is you some FACTS about how without Russo wwe would have not been in business so I'd say saving the company is more important but I guess you didn't think that was important. Look I know maybe I shouldn't respond to this, but our friend 3F here is not doing well so far, he's like 0-10 here. Let's get this straight, you're trying to turn a 'for your consideration, Mattel: Buddy Rogers' thread into a 'screw that old dude, Vince Russo is where it's at' thread? Fair enough, eating cactuses on youtube is also a thing, Ruprecht.
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Post by poindizzle on Dec 17, 2014 8:05:09 GMT -5
This was a hypothetical thread so I gave a hypothetical response that I would want a figure and would like more than three decades getting recognition. Doesn't mean it would happen, doesn't mean I think it would happen. In fact, most people who responded probably realize it ain't happening. Why are some posters so diametrically opposed to the idea that they can't just say no, not interested, or no, probably won't happen? Why has this become such a hateful thread? Would I buy a Nature Boy Buddy Rogers? Yes. Do I like other eras of wrestling and wish they got toy treatment? Yes. Neither answer means I think it is going to happen or that it would be financially viable. That's just my two cents. Everybody just keep on bickering if you'd like. We can't debate wrestling figures on a wrestling figure board? What's so nasty about any of this that you find it hateful? Let's see. Monkeys might fly out of my butt, because making a real comment takes too much time so smartass will have to do. Why not just not comment if there's nothing to say? Trying to get a post count up? I've always had the intent of opening my mouth only when I have sometging to actually contribute to a conversation, and always making myself perfectly clear. This thread has derailed into "You're wrong.". "No, you're wrong and stupid". "Stupid". "Stupid". "Vince Russo". "Buddy Rogers". "Stupid". "Stupid". Maybe this thread will turn around back to actual discussion about the op's topic. Or maybe Monkeys will fly out of my butt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 8:28:07 GMT -5
This thread sucks now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 8:39:02 GMT -5
This Vince Russo thing is getting off topic and you made your point clearly, move on
Someone want to add the beating a dead horse gif. ?
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 17, 2014 9:11:51 GMT -5
It was naive of me to hope that I could start a Wfigs thread without trolls running it into the ground. WWE obviously thinks high enough of him to put him into the Hall of Fame. Without him, we may have never gotten Billy Graham and without Billy Graham, we may have never gotten Hulk Hogan, without Hogan, there is no WWE Elite line, because there is no WWE. Without Rogers, if wrestling even still existed, it would still be nothing more than a rigged amateur match. Rogers was the first guy to extensively use moves like drop kicks, running off the ropes, and body slams, which became the popular style after his success. I don't think anyone is going to argue his contributions to the business. I think from that perspective people get it. It has absolutely nothing to do with that though. Bruno was Hulk Hogan before Hulk Hogan and he went into the HOF in 2013. So he was on the current product in that capacity and people could see who he was and WWE could dedicate a DVD to him and market his past. He's the exception, not the rule. You're just talking about an extremely niche product that very few people would find appealing on a retail shelf. This is business logic. It has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling history, or talent or anything else that doesn't directly correlate to sales.
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Post by thedazzler on Dec 17, 2014 9:35:11 GMT -5
We can't debate wrestling figures on a wrestling figure board? What's so nasty about any of this that you find it hateful? Let's see. Monkeys might fly out of my butt, because making a real comment takes too much time so smartass will have to do. Why not just not comment if there's nothing to say? Trying to get a post count up? I've always had the intent of opening my mouth only when I have sometging to actually contribute to a conversation, and always making myself perfectly clear. This thread has derailed into "You're wrong.". "No, you're wrong and stupid". "Stupid". "Stupid". "Vince Russo". "Buddy Rogers". "Stupid". "Stupid". Maybe this thread will turn around back to actual discussion about the op's topic. Or maybe Monkeys will fly out of my butt. You're very serious for someone who collects toys for a hobby. Lighten up. It was my butt the monkeys might fly out of. If anything that's wishing pain upon myself. I hardly classify that as hateful towards anyone. Sorry for having a different opinion. I forgot wrestling figures were such serious business. I'm sure your nearly 4000 posts on this board were all filled with brilliant analysis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 9:41:49 GMT -5
Lets wrap this up. Plain and simple....Some of us want a Buddy Rogers figure. Most of us don't. We probably won't get one. That about cover it?
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 17, 2014 10:18:22 GMT -5
Well this thread has taught me you can't go into a battle of wits against someone who is clearly unarmed.
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Post by brochester on Dec 17, 2014 10:33:41 GMT -5
I'd definitely get one
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Post by hitman1072 on Dec 17, 2014 12:26:17 GMT -5
I think it speaks volumes that the supporters of a Rogers figure come off as intelligent, and make cogent arguments as to why it would be great if he were made.
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Post by BCizzle on Dec 17, 2014 14:18:14 GMT -5
Let's also throw in the fact that the only reason Tully and Arn sold was the fact they came with the only old style Tag Team Titles.... Buddy Rodgers in a two pack would automatically make him every kids jobber. There is no connection in today's WWE... He's not showcased like Bruno was. He isn't as important as Bruno was and most likely we won't have one made. Sure feel free to buy me an arn or tully WITHOUT the tag title for under $60....Ive been looking for one. Well, why didn't you buy them when they were up for sale on Matty? That's what I did. And I don't even like Tully or Arn. The lack of sales is what killed off the online figures (which is fine with me because that way we don't have to pay jacked up shipping prices.) Buddy Rogers is a guy Jakks would have made, would have been 1 per case or maybe even 1 every other case. I miss those days when we got a bunch of old dudes.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 17, 2014 14:28:37 GMT -5
I think it speaks volumes that the supporters of a Rogers figure come off as intelligent, and make cogent arguments as to why it would be great if he were made. I think it speaks volumes that you can't see the forest from the trees, but then, who am I to deter you from sharing your brilliance with the internet... Thinking something would be great for your own personal satisfaction is completely different than producing a product that will satisfy mass retailers and consumers alike. You want a niche product that has absolutely no business on store shelves, and that is the reality of the situation. There is no debate or argument. It's a horrible idea that won't make Mattel any money. You're a genius though buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 14:33:37 GMT -5
I would pass but hopefully the people who want him get it.
Im still holding out hope for Jumping Jeff Farmer.
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