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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 14:21:05 GMT -5
Billy was a midcarder, especially during the Attitude Era, plain and simple. If he had "IT" he would have been pushed to the main event. Billy had great athletic ability and in-ring skills, but he was bad on the mic and simply didn't stand out like guys like Austin, Rock, HHH, Taker, etc... did during that time. If Billy was in his prime today I could see him definatly being a top player. But during a time when the WWF had 2 legit mainstream starsin Austin and Rock, and plenty of other top guys like Taker, Mankind, HHH, Kane, etc... he was never going to get to the top. Injuries didn't help him either. Case in point was his feud w/ Rocky in '99. He got a huge push by winning the KOTR, and was then thrown into a big time feud w/ Rock. Rocky however completely destroyed him in every promos they did. Billy stood no chance on the mic against Rocky and his weaknesses really shined. That's why he went right back to teaming with Road Dogg after SummerSlam. Did they push him right? No, I don't think so. I'd have had him continue to feud w/ Road Dogg and X-Pac through SummerSlame (and Kane who was with Pac too). Following that put him in the 6-Pack Challenge instead of Bulldog which would have led to a feud with Mankind. A slower push would have helped but I doubt he would have ever been a top player during that time. The Rock destroyed everyone who wasn't named "Stone Cold" on the mic. Billy's mic work is a lot better than people give him credit for (just like Bret).
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 11, 2014 14:57:54 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was fantastic as part of the Outlaws, but there's a very good reason that he never took off as a singles wrestler... he just wasn't really over without RDJJ. Also worth noting that The Rock, who put absolutely everyone over that he ever feuded with, wrestled Gunn one time and immediately asked to work with someone else. That Summerslam 99 match is just atrocious.
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Jan 11, 2014 16:04:56 GMT -5
I would like NAO to have one more run winning the belts. After that Road Dogg leaves and Billy Gunn has a storyline with Dolph Ziggler under Mr.Ass gimmick
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Post by Chip on Jan 11, 2014 16:14:54 GMT -5
Outlaws were a perfect tag team because Billy had the ring talent and Road Dogg had all the charisma and mic skills.
RD was decent in the ring, but nothing special. You could tell Billy Gunn really worked hard at his craft. But both of those guys were always really viewed on the same level. There was no "marty jannetty" in the N.A.O.
If they are going the route of a Shield break-up than I'd like to see The Real Americans go up against the Outlaws at Wrestlemania. They are one of the only legit heel tag teams left and the build could be a lot of fun.
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Post by Himmy! on Jan 11, 2014 16:21:03 GMT -5
I like Billy. Would totally be down with the Outlaws having another run.
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Post by Kanenite on Jan 11, 2014 20:32:41 GMT -5
Do I think he's still got it?
He's got it all!
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Jan 11, 2014 21:57:54 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was a marginal talent throughout his entire career. The NAO worked because they complimented each other. Gunn had a decent look and could work to some extent, Road Dogg had the mic ability and the catchphrases. Without Road Dogg, Billy is nothing.
Not to mention the guy was gassed just from walking to the ring on Old School Raw. The NAO might have one last run in them but Billy by himself = no buys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 22:00:13 GMT -5
Just give me ziggler vs gunn- that's a fantasy matchup
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Post by bababooey on Jan 11, 2014 23:22:00 GMT -5
The Outlaws should do some in ring work at NXT. The younger tag teams could benefit a lot from it. Both guys could still work solid matches.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 11, 2014 23:44:47 GMT -5
Billy was a midcarder, especially during the Attitude Era, plain and simple. If he had "IT" he would have been pushed to the main event. Billy had great athletic ability and in-ring skills, but he was bad on the mic and simply didn't stand out like guys like Austin, Rock, HHH, Taker, etc... did during that time. If Billy was in his prime today I could see him definatly being a top player. But during a time when the WWF had 2 legit mainstream starsin Austin and Rock, and plenty of other top guys like Taker, Mankind, HHH, Kane, etc... he was never going to get to the top. Injuries didn't help him either. Case in point was his feud w/ Rocky in '99. He got a huge push by winning the KOTR, and was then thrown into a big time feud w/ Rock. Rocky however completely destroyed him in every promos they did. Billy stood no chance on the mic against Rocky and his weaknesses really shined. That's why he went right back to teaming with Road Dogg after SummerSlam. Did they push him right? No, I don't think so. I'd have had him continue to feud w/ Road Dogg and X-Pac through SummerSlame (and Kane who was with Pac too). Following that put him in the 6-Pack Challenge instead of Bulldog which would have led to a feud with Mankind. A slower push would have helped but I doubt he would have ever been a top player during that time. The Rock destroyed everyone who wasn't named "Stone Cold" on the mic. Billy's mic work is a lot better than people give him credit for (just like Bret). True about rocky dominating on the mic but hhh and foley each held their own against rocky on the mic as well. I also feel that Bret is very, very underrated on the mic. Billy however never did anything for me on the mic. Him and road dogg complemented eachother well. Billy was the in ring guy while road dogg was the mic guy. When not together they both were solid mid carders but their weaknesses defiantly showed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 0:21:47 GMT -5
NAO both look great still.
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 12, 2014 0:45:49 GMT -5
Outlaws were a perfect tag team because Billy had the ring talent and Road Dogg had all the charisma and mic skills. RD was decent in the ring, but nothing special. You could tell Billy Gunn really worked hard at his craft. But both of those guys were always really viewed on the same level. There was no "marty jannetty" in the N.A.O. If they are going the route of a Shield break-up than I'd like to see The Real Americans go up against the Outlaws at Wrestlemania. They are one of the only legit heel tag teams left and the build could be a lot of fun. I don't really agree with that part at all. He's still the exact same guy that he was when the Smoking Gunns broke up. I can tell that he worked really hard on his physique, but other than that I feel like he never evolved or improved as a performer at all.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jan 12, 2014 1:50:11 GMT -5
Gunn looks great!. Dogg still basically has it too. I could see the Outlaws having one last good run in them... I'm actually quite impressed.
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Post by Jack on Jan 12, 2014 3:13:12 GMT -5
He doesn't look in bad shape at all. Nice to see it.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jan 12, 2014 4:39:54 GMT -5
IF they would go with one more run and hold the titles beating everyone they could. Id be thrilled.
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Post by | NLS™ | on Jan 12, 2014 4:54:35 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was fantastic as part of the Outlaws, but there's a very good reason that he never took off as a singles wrestler... he just wasn't really over without RDJJ. Also worth noting that The Rock, who put absolutely everyone over that he ever feuded with, wrestled Gunn one time and immediately asked to work with someone else. That Summerslam 99 match is just atrocious. He immediately asked to work with someone else? What's your source? Or did your best friend Shane tell you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 4:55:47 GMT -5
I think they should give the NAO one last nostalgia run as Tag champs....the reaction to them has been great. They could do it for Animal in 2005 so I think they should do it for the NAO too.
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Post by | NLS™ | on Jan 12, 2014 5:47:54 GMT -5
To answer the question, yes I'd love to see that.
Nobody ever accused Billy Gunn of being more than a mid carder but I always wished he was more.
I always kind of felt like Billy's big push was canceled because it was around the time of Hunters rise to the top. Vince wasn't sure whether or not Trips could carry the load or had enough heat to be the champion, so he put DX back together after they broke up (which I think was a mistake. HHH would've been fine) to give Trips the extra rub. Shortly thereafter, DX broke up when Billy was out with an injury and once He recovered from rotator cuff surgery WWE toned down the product so He couldn't use his Mr. Ass gimmick anymore.
I think with the change of attitude in the WWE and the restrictions Billy had to deal with with the change of gimmick and all, that really watered him down as a character and he never really recovered from that.
Regardless what his Nay-Sayers say, Billy's talent in the ring was awesome and he was NEVER fully utilized. His only BIG push was only 3 or 4 short months then right after that Triple H was crowned WWF Champion that year thus canceling Billy's push so he could be used as a prop for the boring McMahon-Helmsley Era.
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Post by @Sweetbob on Jan 12, 2014 5:56:18 GMT -5
He's off booze and drugs now. Goldust and Gunn both sobered up about the same time. Imagine if those guys were clean during their prime...I would have loved to have seen that.
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 12, 2014 6:25:15 GMT -5
This is one thing I hate when it comes to wrestling. If they're good in the ring who cares is they're promos suck? If they're matches entertain who cares if they can't "talk them into the building". Imagine if we did that with all sports ( yes I still refer to wrestling as a sport)"Peyton Manning is a great Qb but his post game interviews bore me, he really needs to work on that." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I think Billy Gunn was a great wrestler that got stuffed into a few bad singles gimmicks.However Mr Ass was over and would of been a great main eventer especially during the time when Austin was out for the year. Hell he was better in the ring then Rikishi and Rikishi got a spot in the first elimination chamber. I believe in 1999 after he won KOTR they botched his push.
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