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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 3, 2013 23:16:08 GMT -5
David Arquette as WCW champion Did this even need to be said? |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 3, 2013 23:31:13 GMT -5
1) I highly doubt Jarrett was guaranteed any title reigns in his contract. Unless someone had Hogan's "creative control" or a contract like Big Show received in '99, nobody was guaranteed title reigns. 2) I still don't understand the Jarrett hate. It has died down over the past few years but its still there. The guy was always regarded by other wrestlers as a good worker (Bret Hart even said this in his book) and made his characters work. Hell, even Nash has said that Jarrett was like an "unofficial" member of the KLIQ. He was deserving of every IC Title reign he had, and his WCW Title reigns are defendable as well (WCW was already a sinking ship before he got there and Jarrett was the one constant main event heel that could be counted on every damn week). In TNA, while some of his reigns were crap, they had a purpose as Jarrett was TNA's biggest name at the time before Sting and Angle got there and TNA was trying to build an audience. I don't understand the Jarrett hate either. It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 5:29:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the Jarrett hate either. It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. You mean after they killed his best friend? Damn him to hell! |
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Post by Top on Jun 4, 2013 5:35:47 GMT -5
Hornswoggle as Cruiserweight champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 5:40:30 GMT -5
It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. You mean after they killed his best friend? Damn him to hell! just when I thought I had heard every over the top "hart colored" statement from you man.....LOL. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 4, 2013 9:14:08 GMT -5
I don't understand the Jarrett hate either. It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. You should do your research before simply accepting the revisionist history that Vince and Stephanie McMahon would like us to believe. Jeff has explained that during his last contract w/ the WWF, many promises were broken and his contract was cut for no reason. Jeff claims that when his contract was about to expire, Vince still owed him bonuses for his PPV appearances throughout '99 yet still expect Jeff to drop the title to Chyna of all people with no guarantee of getting the money that was owed to him. Jeff says he simply asked for the money that was owed to him and and only doubled that price later because Vince had broken promises to Jeff. Not saying we should believe him or not but Jeff comes off as a pretty honest man while we know the backstabbing history of Vince McMahon... |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jun 4, 2013 13:09:09 GMT -5
I would not blame Jeff Jarrett at all. He was smart enough to realize he was owed money, his contract had expired, and a had a legal right to be reimbursed on any incoming payoffs. The contracts talents sign are legally binding agreements. Not to mention, every contract is notarized. I read this years ago but can not vouch for this, it was stated Jarrett saved that money from his WWF days, let it grow and founded TNA Wrestling in 2002. I'm not sure how true this is but its something worth nothing.
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 4, 2013 20:14:54 GMT -5
It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. You mean after they killed his best friend? Damn him to hell! Martha, is that you? |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 4, 2013 20:25:25 GMT -5
It's because he held the WWE at ransom for the IC title for $300,000 just to drop it after his contract expired. It is not because he was a bad wrestler, it is because he is a no good, dirty scumbag. You should do your research before simply accepting the revisionist history that Vince and Stephanie McMahon would like us to believe. Jeff has explained that during his last contract w/ the WWF, many promises were broken and his contract was cut for no reason. Jeff claims that when his contract was about to expire, Vince still owed him bonuses for his PPV appearances throughout '99 yet still expect Jeff to drop the title to Chyna of all people with no guarantee of getting the money that was owed to him. Jeff says he simply asked for the money that was owed to him and and only doubled that price later because Vince had broken promises to Jeff. Not saying we should believe him or not but Jeff comes off as a pretty honest man while we know the backstabbing history of Vince McMahon... I have never seen said contract so I am not inclined to believe a single word of Jarrett says about and nor should you. Hell the only reason he even got his push in 1999 was because Owen had past. He isn't all that that talented in ring nor is/was he particularly charismatic. He only got where he was because of his daddy. Jim Cornette knows Jeff well and has stated he is nothing more than a spoiled piece of trash. And I believe Cornette because he isn't on the best of terms with the WWE and has proven to tell the truth/know what he is talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 20:37:35 GMT -5
the reason I don't really believe some of what JJ says is because Cornette contradicts it too.....and like you say man he doesn't defend Vinnie at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 5:18:13 GMT -5
Jim Ross may be a good commentator but I he's one of the most devious bungholes in the history of the biz.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 6, 2013 16:37:25 GMT -5
You should do your research before simply accepting the revisionist history that Vince and Stephanie McMahon would like us to believe. Jeff has explained that during his last contract w/ the WWF, many promises were broken and his contract was cut for no reason. Jeff claims that when his contract was about to expire, Vince still owed him bonuses for his PPV appearances throughout '99 yet still expect Jeff to drop the title to Chyna of all people with no guarantee of getting the money that was owed to him. Jeff says he simply asked for the money that was owed to him and and only doubled that price later because Vince had broken promises to Jeff. Not saying we should believe him or not but Jeff comes off as a pretty honest man while we know the backstabbing history of Vince McMahon... I have never seen said contract so I am not inclined to believe a single word of Jarrett says about and nor should you. Hell the only reason he even got his push in 1999 was because Owen had past. He isn't all that that talented in ring nor is/was he particularly charismatic. He only got where he was because of his daddy. Jim Cornette knows Jeff well and has stated he is nothing more than a spoiled piece of trash. And I believe Cornette because he isn't on the best of terms with the WWE and has proven to tell the truth/know what he is talking about. 1) Red my post. I said we shouldn't take what JJ says as truth but also shouldn't say it isn't true. 2) Vinnie Mac has a track record of screwing people over. Hell, he broke the contract of a man who led the company through a terrible down period in the mid '90s and for thanks screwed the guy on his way out. In this instance I take Jarrett's word over Vince's (not saying Jeff is being totally truthful but I think he is closer to the truth than Vinnie). And good for Jeff for getting as much money as he could. Any one of us would have too had we been in the same position. It's not Jeff's fault nobody noticed his contract was ending the day before a major PPV. 3) While I enjoy Corrnett he seems to have beef with almost everybody who has ever worked in professional wrestling. Almost all of his shoots are of him bashing someone. |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 6, 2013 17:02:11 GMT -5
I have never seen said contract so I am not inclined to believe a single word of Jarrett says about and nor should you. Hell the only reason he even got his push in 1999 was because Owen had past. He isn't all that that talented in ring nor is/was he particularly charismatic. He only got where he was because of his daddy. Jim Cornette knows Jeff well and has stated he is nothing more than a spoiled piece of trash. And I believe Cornette because he isn't on the best of terms with the WWE and has proven to tell the truth/know what he is talking about. 1) Red my post. I said we shouldn't take what JJ says as truth but also shouldn't say it isn't true. 2) Vinnie Mac has a track record of screwing people over. Hell, he broke the contract of a man who led the company through a terrible down period in the mid '90s and for thanks screwed the guy on his way out. In this instance I take Jarrett's word over Vince's (not saying Jeff is being totally truthful but I think he is closer to the truth than Vinnie). And good for Jeff for getting as much money as he could. Any one of us would have too had we been in the same position. It's not Jeff's fault nobody noticed his contract was ending the day before a major PPV. 3) While I enjoy Corrnett he seems to have beef with almost everybody who has ever worked in professional wrestling. Almost all of his shoots are of him bashing someone. Yeah I'll it admit I probably either skipped or misread it, but while Cornette has beef with a lot of people I wouldn't say everyone. He seems to have not so much beef with people but more with their tendency to lie. Watch his shoot on Heyman he basically says he doesn't hate Heyman but that he hates how much Heyman lies to everyone. Don't get me wrong there are definitely a few in the business where he has legitimate beef with (i.e. Russo, Hogan, Bischoff etc.) but for the most parts it seems like he is just disappointed. |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jun 8, 2013 6:58:25 GMT -5
Honestly every time I watch Cornette talk I feel like the mans about to break down and cry for some reason. He could be flipping crap going off about someone and I'll still have that thought in my head.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 9, 2013 11:06:05 GMT -5
WWE Championship
The Miz
Vince McMahon
World Heavyweight Championship
Great Khali
Jack Swagger
WCW World Championship
David Arquette
Vince Russo
Jeff Jarrett
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jun 9, 2013 11:29:25 GMT -5
WWE ChampionshipThe Miz Vince McMahon World Heavyweight ChampionshipGreat Khali Jack Swagger WCW World ChampionshipDavid Arquette Vince Russo Jeff Jarrett You lost me with this one. Jarrett was IMO the best heel WCW had at that time and very underrated. |
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Post by Charlie f'n Kelly on Jun 9, 2013 11:43:20 GMT -5
The Rock's last WWE title run was very undeserved.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 9, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
WWE ChampionshipThe Miz Vince McMahon World Heavyweight ChampionshipGreat Khali Jack Swagger WCW World ChampionshipDavid Arquette Vince Russo Jeff Jarrett Tell me, who else could WCW trust to push as the top heel at the time? Steiner is the only other guy I can think of but he was constantly no showing events and shooting on TV. Please let us know who else WCW could have used besides Jarrett at that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 12:21:23 GMT -5
my GOD Jeff Jarrett is a hugely divisive character in wrestling.
I fall somewhere in the middle on him.but I agree that he was the best choice for a heel WCW champion at that time.
they had to do something because the guy they had positioned as their main heel(Hart)was gonna be on the shelf indefinitely.
so they had Steiner who was doing what he wanted both backstage and in ring and everybody was basically terrified of his roid fuelled psychosis.-obviously not a runner.
Nash:so lazy by this period in time that if there was work in the bed this wipe would have slept on the floor-no way no how should his rampant apathy have been rewarded.
so basically they tried something new....they were obviously looking at the model Vinnie was making with HHH and hoped to emulate it.however as is well documented me and 4 of my friends(who know nothing about wrestling)blind drunk could've booked WCW better than what Russo "attempted" in this time.
who knows what way JJ would be viewed now IF he had gotten the correct rub.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jun 10, 2013 0:49:28 GMT -5
I am only going to say this once, what with all of this hate on Jeff Jarrett? I don't see it. Sure his heel work goes unnoticed by many but given what he had, Jarrett is one of the best heels this industry has seen. I loved his heel work in TNA. To come and say he was undeserving as WCW Champion is a ludicrous and asnine statement to say. Sheesh, attacking a wrestler just because many felt he was undeserving is not cool at all. Jarrett becoming the WCW Champion was one of those being at the right place and time moments in wrestling. Learn how to live with it because its in the history books for all eternity.
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