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Post by machoking on Aug 12, 2011 1:52:27 GMT -5
\ Well most peolpe do not buy every figure... mattel is not making this line so that YOUR happy. If people like the figure they will get it Thats all, no one if forcing you to get it, if you collect every figure its your choice so DEAL WITH IT!!!!!! ::dealing with it:: Its hard to deal with alone Juice. If you need me, Im here for you buddy!
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 12, 2011 2:12:23 GMT -5
FYI for all your glue-sniffers, Mattel's profits on the WWE line for this past quarter were down a million. From a financial report on Mattel based on numbers they released in July: Last week, Mattel (MAT: Charts, News, Offers), the world’s largest toy company, beat analysts’ projections with strong quarterly profit and revenue. The company owns a portfolio of popular toys, such as Barbie, Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Tyco, Pixar Cars, WWE Wrestling, Fisher-Price, View-Master, Thomas and Friends, Dora the Explorer, Batman and many others. Mattel reported a profit of 23 cents per share, or $80.5 million on revenue of $1.16 billion. Analysts expected a profit of 16 cents per share on revenue of $1.11 billion. Profits increased 56% while revenue increased 14%. Gross sales increased 7% domestically and 23% internationally, and was aided by the declining U.S. dollar. Mattel’s business is divided into three primary segments – Mattel Boys & Girls Brands (47% sales), Fisher-Price Brands (39%) and American Girl Brands (14%). The company’s worldwide gross sales for its Mattel Girls & Boys Brands unit increased 22% to $795.6 million. Its Fisher-Price Brands unit’s sales increased 4% to $400 million. Its American Girls Brands unit posted a revenue of 13% to $66.4 million. Monster High and Disney Princesses also proved popular, boosting sales in non-Barbie related Girls & Boys brands by 29%. Its non-Pixar cars – such as Hot Wheels, Matchbox and Tyco – declined in popularity by 2%. Its Entertainment sub-category revenue, which includes games, puzzles, Toy Story and WWE toys, rose 41%.So yeah.....I'm not going to feel sorry for anybody from Mattel who comes on here and cries about budgets and production costs and yadda yadda yadda. Yes, production costs have gone up....the price of literally EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD is going up. It's bad on everyone. But the company with a billion dollar annual and is making a killing on their products can't afford to continue to live up to the level of detail quality that we have come to expect? The bottom line is this: Mattel is making a profit. The cost of production has gone up, so they are putting less effort into their products so that they are able to make the same HUGE profits. They could continue to work at the same level of detail and still make a HUGE profit, it would just be slightly less. So to them, it's all about them not wanting to make less of a profit..... So we are just going to keep getting the prices raised as the quality goes down, because the rich want to get richer instead of having integrity in their product.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 12, 2011 5:18:05 GMT -5
People need to chill out. We are lucky to get interaction with Mattel and it can be such a great thing if handled right so people need to speak more maturely about this. The response mattel gave us was perfectly vald. They obviously look at the likelihood of something reappearing in the line and of the accessories, it made the most sense to take the vac process off the belt and this is a justified decision. People REALLY need to stop with the thought process of increasing a budget by removing lines or lowering the price of figures because of the lesser detail because they are not workable solutions. They wont invest more money into a single budget for a line or figure to increase the detail because its likely not going to have much of an effect, nowhere near as much as using that budget for another line. You cant double the input if the price is going to stay the same. Lowering the price because of detail removal doesnt work either, the reason the detail is removed in the first place is to KEEP the price within the current range, if you took the price down, youd have to take further detail out. It should come as no surprise to anyone here that the cost of production and materials is ever increasing so it's not like things such as this should be such a surprise. Its a matter of working with what youve got and mattel have obviously been strategic in cutting back in the areas which can be rectified or have already been covered. Prior to Bills response, I was wondering the thought process behind what they did too but at the end of the day, they cleared it all up and its valid as to why we have what we have. Thanks Bill for clearing things up.
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Post by fernadogwang on Aug 12, 2011 9:05:46 GMT -5
All I have to say is, who is in the line up for Elite 13?
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Post by Rob7274 on Aug 12, 2011 11:58:12 GMT -5
FYI for all your glue-sniffers, Mattel's profits on the WWE line for this past quarter were down a million. From a financial report on Mattel based on numbers they released in July: Last week, Mattel (MAT: Charts, News, Offers), the world’s largest toy company, beat analysts’ projections with strong quarterly profit and revenue. The company owns a portfolio of popular toys, such as Barbie, Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Tyco, Pixar Cars, WWE Wrestling, Fisher-Price, View-Master, Thomas and Friends, Dora the Explorer, Batman and many others. Mattel reported a profit of 23 cents per share, or $80.5 million on revenue of $1.16 billion. Analysts expected a profit of 16 cents per share on revenue of $1.11 billion. Profits increased 56% while revenue increased 14%. Gross sales increased 7% domestically and 23% internationally, and was aided by the declining U.S. dollar. Mattel’s business is divided into three primary segments – Mattel Boys & Girls Brands (47% sales), Fisher-Price Brands (39%) and American Girl Brands (14%). The company’s worldwide gross sales for its Mattel Girls & Boys Brands unit increased 22% to $795.6 million. Its Fisher-Price Brands unit’s sales increased 4% to $400 million. Its American Girls Brands unit posted a revenue of 13% to $66.4 million. Monster High and Disney Princesses also proved popular, boosting sales in non-Barbie related Girls & Boys brands by 29%. Its non-Pixar cars – such as Hot Wheels, Matchbox and Tyco – declined in popularity by 2%. Its Entertainment sub-category revenue, which includes games, puzzles, Toy Story and WWE toys, rose 41%.So yeah.....I'm not going to feel sorry for anybody from Mattel who comes on here and cries about budgets and production costs and yadda yadda yadda. Yes, production costs have gone up....the price of literally EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD is going up. It's bad on everyone. But the company with a billion dollar annual and is making a killing on their products can't afford to continue to live up to the level of detail quality that we have come to expect? The bottom line is this: Mattel is making a profit. The cost of production has gone up, so they are putting less effort into their products so that they are able to make the same HUGE profits. They could continue to work at the same level of detail and still make a HUGE profit, it would just be slightly less. So to them, it's all about them not wanting to make less of a profit..... So we are just going to keep getting the prices raised as the quality goes down, because the rich want to get richer instead of having integrity in their product. Totally agree!! And I'm sick to death of people asking for less for there money. Grow a backbone some of you. If Mattel start cheaping out you have a right to complain. The Shirt on Randy Orton looks cheap and quite frankly pathetic! Cheaping out on the belts is not good enough for at least £13 or £25 (thats right $40 online) for a elite figure. Asking for less accessories is ridiculous. Your voice counts for more than you know on here and just because you don't use them doesn't mean others don't. I use near 95% of accessories (including Mine and Terry Funks cowboy gear) given and order more cloth's shirts from Ralph's. I could not imagine all my male Elites & Legends Topless and I don't think I'd like it very much. (unless they were Divas ;D Don't get me wrong I play/pose with the figures in the display and like to mix them about and show off there great body molds/tattoos but IMO wouldn't be too happy to have 60,70 maybe 100 figures of hulking guys with just there under-ware on....
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Post by acura143 on Aug 12, 2011 12:16:21 GMT -5
I dot know whats the big deal. If you don't like, don't buy it. I don't have to own every dam figure that is made. If they making shirts in rubber instead of cloth or cheaping out on belts, guess whatt I won't buy it. It's not the end of the world.
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Post by juicewinslow on Aug 12, 2011 12:53:17 GMT -5
Its hard to deal with alone Juice. If you need me, Im here for you buddy! lol.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 12, 2011 13:02:09 GMT -5
And I'm sick to death of people asking for less for there money. Grow a backbone some of you. If Mattel start cheaping out you have a right to complain. If Mattel starts raising prices, we also have a right to complain. I'd prefer the prices to stay the same for as long as possible. No moreso than the shirt on series 2 or series 9. The cloth shirts are great for people who love dress-up, but they're also very cheaply made and it seems like Mattel were never able to make them decently within the budget. Almost every one has messy, jagged edges. Some of us being stupid enough to pay the mental Wrestlingworld prices is nothing to do with Mattel. Depends on whether you prefer quantity or quality. We could all just sit here whining pretending Mattel is lying about having to keep to budgets, but it wouldn't get us anywhere. As with any corporation, budgets and deadlines do govern their product. It's all about the bottom line. They're a business, not a charity. Crying on the forum isn't going to magically increase the budgets for an elite series. Vote with your wallet -- if people don't buy series 11 Miz and Mysterio and series 12 Randy Orton, maybe Mattel will re-evaluate their strategy and budgeting. But if those figures sell fine because nobody (except a few whiners online) cares about shiny belts and cloth t-shirts, then Mattel will be fine to carry on.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Aug 12, 2011 13:52:20 GMT -5
Another thing, I BELIEVE that Orton and Mysterio's plastic shirts have back designs. Has there been a cloth shirt released withboth sides with designs?
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Post by muccguy88 on Aug 12, 2011 14:31:53 GMT -5
Another thing, I BELIEVE that Orton and Mysterio's plastic shirts have back designs. Has there been a cloth shirt released withboth sides with designs? Nope. That's because the cloth shirts have the velcro in the back that would interfere with a back design. Another plus for plastic shirts if you ask me. Personally, if the plastic shirts are easy to get on and off I'm cool with them. I think Mattel will be doing a mix of plastic and cloth. Some will have plastic and some will have cloth. Orton figures are skinny so I think plastic is the way to go, especially since he where's he shirts tight. I have the Elite 2 Orton shirt and it looks huge. Plus the velcro doesn't go all the way down the back so the back of the shirt rolls up at the corners.
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Post by Chip on Aug 12, 2011 15:03:37 GMT -5
I have no complaints with Mattel's cloth shirts. I think they look much better on the figures, they add a cool level of "authenticity" that we've never really seen on wrestling figures. As someone who displays his collection, I strongly prefer the cloth over the plastic.
The biggest issue people are having here is that all we see are prices going UP on everything...and then a huge company making massive amounts of cash on the things we buy coming in and claiming "budget cuts" as an excuse for cost cutting. You start out with something great (shiny belts, cloth shirts, display stands) and then you TAKE IT AWAY when prices go UP. It's going to piss off a large amount of people.
I'm not going to boycott Mattel's figures, but I as the consumer have a right to complain about them taking things away when the stores are charging MORE for their product.
I'm sure everyone here who is "defending" Mattel by saying things like "I like plastic shirts better" or "Who cares? It's just belt paint"....will change their tone if Mattel starts removing details AND accessories when they need to fit in more budget cuts.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Aug 12, 2011 15:10:41 GMT -5
I'm sure everyone here who is "defending" Mattel by saying things like "I like plastic shirts better" or "Who cares? It's just belt paint"....will change their tone if Mattel starts removing details AND accessories when they need to fit in more budget cuts. Yes. If they start cutting stuff out that actually matters, more people will complain. But if we complain and buy them anyway, Mattel has no reason to listen. If they rot on the shelves, Mattel will start thinkin' thinkin' (as the Macho Man would say).
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Post by PJ on Aug 12, 2011 15:24:14 GMT -5
Again Bill said in the past when this was brought up about the bases that they didn't change their suggested retail prices on the figures. He said each retailer sets their own prices and this is not something Mattel can control. They cut the bases to keep the cost of producing the figures the same while keeping the same detail on the figures...but they didn't raise the retail prices.
Yes if the figures lose their details I'd be upset, but I don't really care about t-shirts.
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Post by sunglassessteve on Aug 12, 2011 16:01:52 GMT -5
The real inexcusable thing from Elite 11 is the RUBBER SHIRT that comes with Rey Mysterio! A RUBBER SHIRT! That is completely unacceptable for a figure that sells for $15+ at retail and even more on the internet. The farther we get into the line, the higher the prices rise and the more the details are taken away, the more it becomes apparent that Mattel was not financially prepared to take on making WWE figures. Yeah, everything started out AWESOME and there is no denying what a fabulous job was done in the first year.....which makes it even more obvious and disappointing when they start to take those awesome things away from us. First they took the stands and the name tags away, now we are getting dull belts, and now some of the cloth shirts are gone and we're getting RUBBER SHIRTS....yet the prices keep on rising while the quality keeps on DROPPING! 100% Agree. And anogther thing that annoys me is alot of people on here prefer to make excuse's for Mattel instead of standing up for themselves and asking what the is going on! Where getting ripped off people and theres no need for it. This is coming from a huge fan of you Mattel....You going to start losing collectors like me who have every Elite, DM, Legend and EG you have plus alot of basics Were not getting ripped off dude ha were paying same price we have been and were still getting highly detailed action figures just as advertised. The accessories are not an action figure. Who cares if the shirts are rubber. I for one dont mind it. Do you know how many ppl's figures are being marked up becuase of Red and Black Cloth Shirts, Jackets etc?? I think its funny ya'll sittin here yellin about mattel quality going down and ripping you off, yet in a way there trying too improve things so that way our figures dont keep getting so marked up and looking like crap. As far as the belts go, they already made shiney belts for the ones we need pretty much so why go wasting more money on keepin makin those style belts when there are a bunch already out with other figures?? If you were smart you would have bought the first elite Sheamus, Miz, Drew Mac in the first place to get those nice titles. I get tired of hearing ppl cry about mattel's quality but yet i dont see these ppl running a toy company or anything. So many ungrateful ppl in the world. I for one appreciate Mattel giving us way better figures than what we have ever gotten in the past and also i think Mattel is doing a fine job. Elite 11 looks sick, Elite 12 looks even Sicker. To the ppl that wanna quit collecting just cause a shirt went form Cloth, and staining up all our figures, to a rubber one, please do. That means more figures for ppl who actually appreciate what Mattel is doing and giving us. Your not the only collector in this world. Just remember what you don't buy, someone else gladly will. Mattel is picking up new customers everyday with there excellent figs
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Post by theperfectmountie on Aug 12, 2011 17:01:36 GMT -5
So I want answers I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but if I'm gonna continue shelling out $16 for an Elite I want my damn money worth. i will say that the original post is pretty accurate and i agree for the most part but has some f'n nerve demanding to speak to someone at mattel bc he is cheap and wants answers. mattel is cool to interact with us and take our suggestions/questions. make a reasonable attempt to let them know how you feel instead of being mr internet tough guy. p.s. xpac sucks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 17:09:21 GMT -5
So I want answers I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but if I'm gonna continue shelling out $16 for an Elite I want my damn money worth. xpac sucks
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Post by sean™ on Aug 12, 2011 17:30:30 GMT -5
They are just action figures.
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Post by juicewinslow on Aug 12, 2011 18:14:32 GMT -5
I got my Elite 11 set today. That belt is absolute garbage.
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Post by plastictaxicab on Aug 12, 2011 18:22:01 GMT -5
I got my Elite 11 set today. That belt is absolute garbage. But what about the CM Punk? I don't even collect current roster, but I don't think that figure could get any better. They could've made the belt shiny (a minor detail IMO) and taken away Punk's armband and/or shirt and people would've raised hell about that. People are never happy, no matter what. PS. This is not a personal attack on you
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Post by Rob7274 on Aug 12, 2011 18:35:05 GMT -5
100% Agree. And another thing that annoys me is alot of people on here prefer to make excuse's for Mattel instead of standing up for themselves and asking what the is going on! Where getting ripped off people and theres no need for it. This is coming from a huge fan of you Mattel....You going to start losing collectors like me who have every Elite, DM, Legend and EG you have plus alot of basics Were not getting ripped off dude ha were paying same price we have been and were still getting highly detailed action figures just as advertised. The accessories are not an action figure. Who cares if the shirts are rubber. I for one dont mind it. Do you know how many ppl's figures are being marked up because of Red and Black Cloth Shirts, Jackets etc?? I think its funny ya'll sittin here yellin about mattel quality going down and ripping you off, yet in a way there trying too improve things so that way our figures dont keep getting so marked up and looking like crap. As far as the belts go, they already made shiney belts for the ones we need pretty much so why go wasting more money on keepin makin those style belts when there are a bunch already out with other figures?? If you were smart you would have bought the first elite Sheamus, Miz, Drew Mac in the first place to get those nice titles. I get tired of hearing ppl cry about mattel's quality but yet i dont see these ppl running a toy company or anything. So many ungrateful ppl in the world. I for one appreciate Mattel giving us way better figures than what we have ever gotten in the past and also i think Mattel is doing a fine job. Elite 11 looks sick, Elite 12 looks even Sicker. To the ppl that wanna quit collecting just cause a shirt went form Cloth, and staining up all our figures, to a rubber one, please do. That means more figures for ppl who actually appreciate what Mattel is doing and giving us. Your not the only collector in this world. Just remember what you don't buy, someone else gladly will. Mattel is picking up new customers everyday with there excellent figs Erm sorry to burst your bubble but no i arnt the only collector in the world and neither are you. "Who cares if the shirts are rubber" I do!! I'm paying between $35 to $40 (£20-25) a figure I expect more than a 6" mass produced detailed figure. In retail about $24 (£13-14) Did anyone complain about fabric cloths.....NO they complained about staining which may come down to fabric or dyes. I for one display my collection with entrance gear and IMO think the plastic shirt that Orton has on looks S@%~!!! and cheap. I want accessories! I don't want to pay more for less....SIMPLE. They have taken stuff away FACT, The prices have grown to retailers FACT and the figures will go up in price (by the end of the year). I have Shamus and Drew Smart-ass but others may not have liked that wrestler/figure (which you say is the only important thing) and may have been waiting for a guy like Miz to come with it. Ohhh but major disappointment as in there OPINION!! the belt doesn't look as good as the one that came with the one before it...ohhh but there not the only collector in the world are they.........but I bet theres more than one disappointed. Ohhhh your right about one thing though... " don't see these ppl running a toy company or anything"(Sarcasm below if you don't understand sunglassessteve)But you seem to know quite a bit about it. Guess you have seen there numbers and realized they couldn't give us the quality belts. The rubber shirts where to get rid of staining from past figure but not because its a cheaper option. No no Mattel hardly make a profit with WWE figures thats why the prices keep raising and will continue too. And we keep losing accessories or there quality. Ohhhh but thats OK with you and the world isn't it. People should just shut there face and not say a peep. People don't want quality accessories You think the long time collectors of this line who don't agree should just shut up and take it or give up there hobby. Hmmmm yeahhh things will certainly improve with collectors like you around... My original post was my opinion you seem to know how the whole world works and what everyone thinks or should. "I get tired" of people like you who will set there acting high and mightier then everyone else sticking up for everything Mattel does. There decisions arnt always made in are best interest you know. Sometimes they like to test the waters and they wish there were more collectors like you around who will lay back and take it all in. Smiley face at the bottom to make myself look more friendly ;D
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