JoeRocco420
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Post by JoeRocco420 on Aug 11, 2011 8:12:24 GMT -5
I hope Bill or someone from Mattel will explain to us what exactly is gong on with the belts and I Hope it's not "Well, we are not eliminating the Elite styled belts, we just won't be using them all the time. We may be saving them for exclusives and DM"
Elite accessories not releases in the elite line??
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Post by Chewdeezy on Aug 11, 2011 8:18:05 GMT -5
Mattel's new strategy is this:
DM's will be the only line getting shiney belts and cloth accessories with Elite articulation.
Elite line will have rubber shirts, dull painted belts a few accessories such as briefcases, chairs, mics, etc and Elite articulation.
Basics will have dull belts with little or no paint and a few accessories.
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Post by Chewdeezy on Aug 11, 2011 8:21:59 GMT -5
Steel nailed it on the head. I am in the business of manufacturing specialty products and work with suppliers all over the world on a daily business, so hear me out a second. That being said, I can tell you for a fact that the costs of manufacturing ANYTHING right now is escalating at an alarming rate. This includes everything from steel, sluminum, plastic, fuel and virtually any commodity that is involved in the production of ANY product. I have proposals that I presented 60 days ago to clients that are no longer valid due to these extreme escalations in pricing and have had to qualify every proposal I give with a "good for 30 days" escalation clause, whereas pricing used to be valid for 6 months. Mattel is facing these very issues, having to supply a product that was basiclly proposed to us/the consumers months ago. In this case, they are supplying the same figures, having to change the spec on some of the accessories. Unfortunately, the belts and maybe other pack-in otems like Wade's chair are being removed/modified to allow the product to be released at the desired price point to make the MSRP work. Something has to give when you're trying to make production work within the budget constraints in place. While I personally love the shiny belts, I don't mind taking a duller version if it means I get a better figure in the wave. I'm not necessarily saying that it's acceptable to provide a "lesser product" than what was originally shown, but the mfg does have the right to change the final production version at any time and in this case, maybe didn't have a choice. This isn't the answer many want to hear and I'll probably be smited for it, but it is a realistic one. Let Mattel offer the reasoning before we storm the hills with torches in hand.
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Post by Chip on Aug 11, 2011 8:26:28 GMT -5
Maybe instead of 6 figures per series they should make 5. Considering in every Elite set there ends up being a guy who is only 1 per what, 8 cases now? Just cut out that figure completely, thus leaving more "budget" money for the rest of the set.
Dull belts, rubber shirts...it's only going to go downhill from here. It's going to be $20 for Elites very soon...and it's not even going to be worth collecting them anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 8:30:18 GMT -5
Maybe instead of 6 figures per series they should make 5. Considering in every Elite set there ends up being a guy who is only 1 per what, 8 cases now? Just cut out that figure completely, thus leaving more "budget" money for the rest of the set. Dull belts, rubber shirts...it's only going to go downhill from here. It's going to be $20 for Elites very soon...and it's not even going to be worth collecting them anymore. nooooo.... lol theres already only 2 slots for legends and 4 for elite... At least the belts are painted.... i agree about the shirts tho, plastic shirts look intellectually- disabled.... Mattel, If your budget is low , then just Make one figure out of the set of 6 without any accessories. Im Sure there are guys who will sell without a t shirt
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Post by Richikane on Aug 11, 2011 8:33:07 GMT -5
This is the second Elite wave to be released with a dull belt in it. Their excuse with the WHC was there wasn't enough money in the budget to do the Tag belts (which they would probably only get to do this time) and the WHC just got the rubies painted. Now Elite 11 Miz has the WWE Championship and its dull as hell too, no excuse no reason. I for one want to know why this belt is dull and it better not be the damn budget cause lets face it if thats the case then there will be more plastic shirts like Rey got and more crap belts. Mattel is hurting their product doing this and it will make me think twice about buying a second Miz if he is just a cheap repaint with an even cheaper belt. The dull belt was supposed to be for basics cause the vac finish is too expensive to work into the budget for basics. Yet the Elite figures are supposed to have the budget to allow all belts to be painted nice and pretty and figures come with the shirt. The entire reason for the Elite line I thought was to MAKE THE MOST ACCURATE FIGURE, which means the tights, scult, scale, and accessories would be accurate for what that wrestler has worn, carried, or looked like. So I want answers I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but if I'm gonna continue shelling out $16 for an Elite I want my damn money worth. WHYYYYYYYYY ARE YOU GETTING SO ANGRY seriously, the belt looks fine, its painted, the Miz figure looks really good, and it also comes with the MITB brief case, not the just belt.
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Post by worstnightmare on Aug 11, 2011 8:44:03 GMT -5
Yeah one belt with dm cena looks dull ( spinner) and one looks shiny ( us spinner) ? I think elites shod always have shiny belts keep dull for basic and flex force this way both buyers are happy .
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Post by steel on Aug 11, 2011 8:46:25 GMT -5
Question for Mattel:
If production costs are indeed the issue resulting in the running changes to the belts, lacking accessories etc. would it be feasible to remove these accessories including belts and sell them as a seperate item? This could potentially allow to lower the costs and recommended MSRP, helping collectors better afford the product, while enabling the retailers to also lower the sell price. I know the last part can be tricky, based on how TRU is currently pricing their Mattel WWE product, but it'w orth discussing.
Community Members: Would the above be an acceptable compromise for you? Lowering the price for an Elite single, while providing belts and accessories seperately?
Again, just looking for a reasonable compromise, without reducing quality on the figure itself, while keeping these affordable.
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Post by Chewdeezy on Aug 11, 2011 8:50:17 GMT -5
I would rather buy the belts seperate from the Elite because often times I only buy the figure just for the belt but that's maybe how Mattel wants it. You have to buy the whole figure just for the belt and in return, that's good sales for Mattel.
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Post by Captain Charisma on Aug 11, 2011 8:54:10 GMT -5
great idea, I'd rather buy the belts seperately too but I doubt it would happen because some buy figures of lesser popular wrestlers for their belt accessory eg. Big Show or Drew McIntyre.
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Post by D-Bry on Aug 11, 2011 8:57:21 GMT -5
yea there are other ways to budget cut LOL. cut the series from 6 to 5 or 4. stop with the flexforce. We are paying 11 dollars for a basic figure! that is crazy enough. 16 for an elite figure is outrageous compared to jakks where u got better accessories.
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 11, 2011 9:09:39 GMT -5
The ignorance in this thread is absolutely staggering.
---And I'm just going to throw this one out there, you people that are coming off as hostile need to chill out, and reword your statements in a mature and adult way. Mattel does NOT have to be involved with this forum, as far as I am concerned you should all treat it as a privilege that they're here and interact with us. It's fine to disagree and ask questions, but you really need to chill out and at least come off as somewhat respectful if you honestly want Mattel around here.
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Post by PJ on Aug 11, 2011 9:11:58 GMT -5
I don't have any issues with the color of the gold on the titles. Sure the WWE title looked good in vac-metal, but it also looks fine in the Target Champions set. And personally I think the World title is perfect in the shade it has been released in. I just wish they'd had the red on the rubys on all the world titles. The red & white on the center disc of all the WWE titles. And the red, white & blue on all the US titles. But I gold colors used I'm fine with.
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Post by facemeat on Aug 11, 2011 9:14:50 GMT -5
The problem here is that if we want them to change, we'd have to vote with our wallets, which most of us (myself included) probably won't do, unfortunately. If they continue to earn what they're currently earning with Elites, no matter how much complaining we do, they'll think the second stage of cost cutting was a success, and it'll only get worse from there.
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Post by steel on Aug 11, 2011 9:40:59 GMT -5
The ignorance in this thread is absolutely staggering. ---And I'm just going to throw this one out there, you people that are coming off as hostile need to chill out, and reword your statements in a mature and adult way. Mattel does NOT have to be involved with this forum, as far as I am concerned you should all treat it as a privilege that they're here and interact with us. It's fine to disagree and ask questions, but you really need to chill out and at least come off as somewhat respectful if you honestly want Mattel around here. This is so true. And as far as "cutting off Flexforce" as a means of cutting costs...Flexforce is a bigger seller than any of the products with kids at the target demographic. Kidsa power the purchase of these items more than "collectors" so eliminating that line would ultimately affect us, here.
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Post by Kollecting King on Aug 11, 2011 9:42:22 GMT -5
The ignorance in this thread is absolutely staggering. ---And I'm just going to throw this one out there, you people that are coming off as hostile need to chill out, and reword your statements in a mature and adult way. Mattel does NOT have to be involved with this forum, as far as I am concerned you should all treat it as a privilege that they're here and interact with us. It's fine to disagree and ask questions, but you really need to chill out and at least come off as somewhat respectful if you honestly want Mattel around here. Exactly what i was going to say. Everyone was bitching that the cloth shirts were staining figures so they fixed it with the rubber shirts. People were complaining there were no belts now we are getting them and people are bitching about the painting on them or the shininess. Honestly they could be a ton worse. Plus look at the amount of accessories in the Elite 11 line i think it by far has the most accessories of any single series so if it wasn't in the budget to do the metalization process on the belt it is understandable. Here are the accessories in Elite 11 alone 2 Nexus Arm bands 4 Completely different Cloth Shirts 1 Rubber Shirt 1 Hat 1 Necklace 1 Mask 1 WWE Title 1 Briefcase That is 12 accessories including 11 unique ones in the lineup. Thats an average of 2 accessories per figure which is a ton compared to some of the other elite lineups. Also as adambomb said Mattel doesn't have to come here and you people being hostile might drive them away which will hurt the community even more than a dull belt or 2. Because honestly they do listen but i wouldn't blame them one bit if they stopped coming here for the fact that people on here really don't appreciate the fact that they come on here and interact with the members on this board.
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Post by derakp on Aug 11, 2011 9:54:50 GMT -5
What if the belts were metalized but not painted???
That being said, I love the idea of accessory packs for pretty much everything. Packs of belts, chairs, mics, barricades, tables, announcer gear, ring ropes & aprons, etc., but I thought Mattel's stance has been "retailers won't stock accessory packs."
It's difficult to go forward with the rubber shirts and dull belts when we started with the best materials, but that seems to be the new reality.
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Post by Iron Bison on Aug 11, 2011 9:55:47 GMT -5
Bill should come on here and post simply... "Suck it" I will mail a blank check to Bill if he comes on here and post "F*** off"
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Post by machoking on Aug 11, 2011 9:58:36 GMT -5
The ignorance in this thread is absolutely staggering. ---And I'm just going to throw this one out there, you people that are coming off as hostile need to chill out, and reword your statements in a mature and adult way. Mattel does NOT have to be involved with this forum, as far as I am concerned you should all treat it as a privilege that they're here and interact with us. It's fine to disagree and ask questions, but you really need to chill out and at least come off as somewhat respectful if you honestly want Mattel around here. Like I always said. People wondered why Jakks stopped communicating with us?? Just look around at this thread. I remember Jeremy being on here, his site and everywhere else and then all we heard was bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch....Wait, why arent they talking to us anymore? Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.
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Post by juicewinslow on Aug 11, 2011 9:59:25 GMT -5
I agree - some of y'all need to be a little more respectful.
At the same time, I understand your frustration cause I feel the same way.
If you can't release the belts the correct way, save them for a time when you can.
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