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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 6, 2023 8:46:04 GMT -5
I couldn't see it happening. Foley was great in feuds to establish the next top stars. So it would have to be before Brock won the WWE championship.
Afterwards, there'd have been no point. It would have been a quick one and done thing, not a feud at all.
If it were to happen, Foley would have had to have been a massive threat. Which means in his prime prior to 1999 and as Cactus Jack, or sadistic Mankind to create a sense of danger.
Foley as the underdog babyface would have been a bit lacking unfortunately.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 6, 2023 6:44:47 GMT -5
Hi Steve, just a suggestion more than a question. Could these Bret attires be considered for future PPV waves? Survivor Series 1997 (Montreal): Wrestlemania 13 (1997):
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 1, 2023 8:28:20 GMT -5
Is anyone still waiting to receive their pre-order? I’ve still got nothing and my purchase history on Mattel’s website still says “Unfulfilled”. Yep I saw other people receive theirs in the UK and they ordered literally in February and mine was still unfulfilled since I ordered Jan 8th. I emailed them and it's "getting ready to ship!". That was a week ago and since then, nothing's happened. Absolute joke.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 24, 2023 15:07:42 GMT -5
I placed my order on 8th January. I'm in the UK for location context. I hear absolutely nothing from Mattel.
Meanwhile, other people who placed orders this month and literally last week, also from the UK have theirs shipped and received this week.
So I had to contact Mattel to see what the frick is going on. They now claim my order has been shipped just now.
Had I not checked, I have no idea what would have happened to it.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 24, 2023 14:04:15 GMT -5
It comes under a few factors.
Basically:
- There were an abundance of other main eventers, creating strong competition and he couldn't really "hang" with them on the mic - There were doubters backstage that claimed he couldn't do it - He had asthma and couldn't do long drawn-out main event matches, favouring matches less than 9 minutes
Which is a real shame because he had the look, he had charisma (to an extent), and great in-ring work. He had moments of being decent on the mic, never 100% comfortable, but so many stars start out nervous and grow. It's like they never put 100% into Billy and set him up to fail by feuding with the Rock right off the bat. Like he was destined to get mauled on the mic.
When management really want someone to succeed, they try hard. But with BG it's like they half-assed it (pun intended) and gave up as a failed experiment just because they were forced to. I truly believe he could have been nurtured to the top if given the right help with his promos and direction.
I don't buy the "he was not main event level". Triple H in 1997 wasn't main event level but look how he developed. Edge wasn't main event level but in 2006 became so. Give him the right push, he would have flourished.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 24, 2023 13:56:26 GMT -5
Basically IIRC, Bischoff thought masks prevent relatability and connection with the audience, and in order to become marketable stars and convey emotion to get the fans behind them, they needed to be wrestling without masks.
Then when it is pointed out that WWE marketed Rey's masks and made bank off of them, he just says hindsight is 20:20. Basically ironically confirming the notion that is abundantly obvious - that Bischoff is/was incredibly short-sighted.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 23, 2023 15:06:31 GMT -5
Belt was never on TV and legally Mattel can't give Rock the old torso
So it's not gonna happen Huh? What? How did you come to that conclusion back in 2016?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 22, 2023 6:40:54 GMT -5
Anything about a "Mount Rushmore" of wrestling. So bored of that question. Too right. I am so sick of seeing that topic spun in so many different ways on this forum in particular. That and "when did the attitude era start/end?". That literally comes up like once or twice a year.... It clearly wasn't a defined start-finish. It was gradual. And that means it's open to interpretation. But that doesn't mean that it should be brought up every year....
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 20, 2023 16:15:14 GMT -5
I always had it in mind that Eddie would have continued on as full time-ish until about 2007-8. Then he'd be part time until 2012. He'd been pushing himself pretty hard and he wouldn't have been able to go much longer past 42 unless he super pulled it back.
Similarly, Benoit had been pretty much going without a break since 2001-2. And that was only because of his neck injury. So he would have definitely taken a break by 2009.
I would have seen him go sporadic after that and finally hanging up his boots by 2011.
I could see him helping out a lot in NXT similar to Matt Bloom.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 12, 2023 13:41:56 GMT -5
Did you live in this area the rock was over as hell yeah looking back now he was doing the same things each week but Bret hart also did John cena did and now Roman does don’t put the rock as some one being overrated I wrote my reasons why in the post. I did live during that era and loved him during that time. But that's irrelevant. John Cena didn't do the exact same promo every week. Neither does Roman. I'm talking from a creative standpoint - the Rock did much of the same thing week in week out and I don't see people mentioning this. But then some fans bring up other wrestlers doing something repeatedly and criticise them for it.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 12, 2023 13:39:21 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I love the Rock, I was/am a big fan. He was definitely talented and could hold the crowd. But the point I'm making is through watching these shows again and seeing the same verbiage week in week out - how could that be seen as creative?
There are many instances of wrestlers saying/doing the same thing time and time again and getting criticised for sticking to the same thing. So why is this different for the Rock?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 11, 2023 16:09:03 GMT -5
This isn't to piggyback off of the "Mick Foley - your overall thoughts" thread. This was a legitimate thought that's been growing in my mind since I've been watching Raws in 1999.
The Rock starts off as a hot heel, funny, cocky, gets an emotional reaction from the crowd. Top of his game.
Then his face turn was very well received, and he has the crowd in the palm of his hand still. But after a few months, by August or sooner, I started noticing he was either repeating a lot of what he's previously said - eg: 26/08/99 the debut of Smackdown his promo to HHH saying "You call yourself the Game? Well quite frankly, your game absolutely sucks", then on 20/09/99, he says literally the exact same promo.
Another is "do you think you impress the Rock [insert insult to particular wrestler here]".....
And then the whole sticking things up candy asses.... After a few weeks, it becomes repetitive. And bear in mind I'm saying this by 4 months into his face turn. I haven't watched his whole face schtick beyond this.
Now I have heard some criticism before, and also of his wrestling ability, but I haven't really got a gauge of what you guys think of his spiel.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 10, 2023 14:30:55 GMT -5
I was told on here that these Vince BAF legs are the shorter kind. They don't look it from this picture. Could anyone confirm? I'm looking to make my Rick Rude taller. Its the shorter legs I was told on here that these Vince BAF legs are the shorter kind. Could anyone confirm? I'm looking to make my Rick Rude taller. Shorter than the blue jacket Vince (@ 1:25) That's ridiculous that the proto shows the taller legs. Is there any BAF out there with the taller black BAF legs, same height as IRS etc...?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 9, 2023 16:00:08 GMT -5
I was told on here that these Vince BAF legs are the shorter kind. They don't look it from this picture. Could anyone confirm? I'm looking to make my Rick Rude taller.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 9, 2023 15:58:41 GMT -5
What legs would you guys recommend to make the Brock Lesnar from the 3 pack taller? I was thinking chainsaw Charlie? I would imagine those a skinnier and shorter.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 7, 2023 18:29:16 GMT -5
I ordered mine on 8th January. Had no update yet, anxious to see how this fares with import fees/tax as I'm in the UK.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 4, 2023 6:17:11 GMT -5
Anyone have any good solutions to keep build-a-figure arms from falling off? I just got around to finishing Dok Hendrix and Rick Rude and the left arm for both refuse to stay in place. Only thing I can think of is put the entire figure in hot water and the arms should pop in as it should. I haven't tried this but I don't think that's a permanent fix. I've heard other people say Mattel got the peg the wrong way round (the peg going into the bicep should be the one that goes into the torso), but that doesn't look right to me. Anyone else got a more permanent fix for it?
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 1, 2023 18:59:20 GMT -5
As a kid I hated Triple H. From 99/00 I despised him and the fact that he held the belt made me sick. When he lost the belt to Vince and Big Show I was overjoyed and then red with anger when he won again. Looking back now the reason why I hated Triple H so much was because he was a fantastic heel and the whole World Title run was perfect. The McMahon's despised him and did everything to try and get the belt off him. That was perfect storytelling. Then DX reformed and that gave Triple H cronies who would help him win which gained huge heat from the crowd. Also he didn't win the belt until August 99 and by January 00 he was already a 3 time champion, those times he lost the belt helped boost his number of reigns. IMO from 1999/2001 Triple H was the most hated man in wrestling, I would go as far to say he's one of the greatest heels of all time. 100% this. And I realised this about Jeff Jarrett in WCW from 1999-2000, and again in TNA 2003-2006. Made me understand why a strong heel was so needed and if the guy knew how to make you hate him, they were doing their job right.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 1, 2023 15:20:24 GMT -5
Pretty sure its been said Austin refused to drop the title to Triple H at Summerslam straight up. Which is why Mankind was added to the match in the first place. Im guessing Vince and Co. did what they could to keep their main star happy and still get the result they wanted working around the issue. Im going to attribute Triple H losing the title to Vince to one of Russo's many "brilliant booking ideas". I agree that Vince winning made no sense. It seems like they did it simply as a storyline plot to give McMahon power back negating the whole "End of an Era" storyline only two months prior. Although I miss the days where the stories would continuously intertwine because everyone's main goal was to be WWE Champion. Sure you'd have spin off stories to settle feuds, but it always came back to wanting to be WWE Champion. That's what's sorely missing nowadays. Why aren't like 15 people chasing Roman Reigns to be champion? Instead its always one at a time like everyone's waiting in a deli line. Triple H escaping the likes of Taker, Kane, Rock, Austin, Mankind on a nightly basis just got him that much more heat as champ. Austin and Bruce Prichard have both gone on record many times saying Austin did not have any problem dropping the title to Triple H directly. But the narrative now is that it was something to do with Ventura's political career.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Feb 1, 2023 9:10:05 GMT -5
TLDR; Triple H in 1999 was excellent. But what was the point of winning the WWF title the night after Summerslam instead of the night of, and what was the point of losing the title to Vince McMahon, only to regain it 10 days later?
I've been watching WWF in 1999 and Triple H's ascension to main event/WWF champion was actually really well done.
He came off as a savage competitor, willing to do anything to gain/retain the title and had the attitude to back it up.
I got to September 1999, and the show still doesn't suffer from Triple H fatigue. The stories he's involved in are truly compelling.
But I have to say - what was the point of Mankind beating Austin and Triple H at Summerslam, only to lose the title the next night? Was it literally only just for political reasons so that Ventura would be raising the hand of a babyface? If that was done for publicity, surely the media/critics who were already critical of his involvement with wrestling would look at Foley, being overweight, scruffily dressed the way he was as Mankind and wearing an almost Hannibal Lecter mask and turn their noses up at Ventura even more. So I don't get the political reasoning.
Triple H winning the next night completely negates Mankind's win, and makes me question why they couldn't have just put the title on HHH the night before. Transitional champions are usually pointless, and this certainly was one of those. HHH already had his heat, beating Foley up the next night was literally only to pop a rating. But tarnishes Mankind's win as he never got it again, and he didn't even seek his revenge beyond that week. It took until late December 1999 for him to get back at Triple H, making him look weak in the process as the story was that it was Stone Cold who wanted revenge.
HHH was on a tear for the weeks after, brilliantly done, taking competitors out (contributing to his cerebral assassin nickname). Then he lost the title to Vince McMahon, who then vacated it 4 nights later. It was a brilliant angle PRIOR to Vince's win. Very captivating tv.
But what seriously was the point for Triple H to lose the title, only to regain it a week later at Unforgiven like nothing happened?
Again, my only guess was they wanted to pop a rating, except had the title win be rewritten into HHH retaining somehow, but the parts leading up to Vince's victory still stood, there would have been absolutely no change to the ratings or long-term story.
So HHH losing the title, Vince winning, vacating and HHH regaining was completely pointless.
What do you guys think/remember of this?
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