kurupt (in his prime) > your favorite rapper

[Mr. Bo Ziffer]

I like Ill Bill.

[The Dude]

Kurupt is better than 90% of all the rappers out right now. Nowadays rap sucks, I still listen to the good stuff from 1990 up to about 2002. Mainly 92-96.

[ogsean]

lostsoul said:

I like Ill Bill.

I like Non Phixion better.

[ogsean]

shockavenue said:

ogsean said:

I tend to agree that Kurupt in his prime was nearly untouchable. The only problem I have with that is his prime lasted around 2 years, while many other emcees maintained their game far above and beyond that. I won't argue that Kurupt had some untouchable **** though.

If we're throwing around best of the best though, I gotta say:

Atmosphere - I like half of Slug's ****, the other half I completely ignore. He's great when he's on top, but I don't feel all his stuff is up to snuff.

Nas - Again, I like just about half of his songs, he rips some bungholes on Illmatic, Stillmatic, and God's Son, but a lot of his other albums I don't even listen to most of the time.

Eminem - Love him or hate him, if you know anything about rap, you know this guy is just plain untouchable at certain times, like on Renegades. I could listen to only that verse for the rest of my life and be content with music. However, I barely listen to Encore anymore, and even when I do it's only Yellow Brick Road.



Still, these guys are just as hit and miss as anyone. The thing with the medium of music is high output is expected, so naturally some of it is going to suffer. I love Tech N9ne, he's a bad ass mc with some ridiculous flows, and his delivery can't be matched. I understand not everyone likes his delivery, but I do, but not all the time. With music so much of it is made in so many seperate attitudes and time frames that it's wrong to compare Eminem on The Marshal Mathers LP to Eminem on Encore. They aren't the same person, they're not the same production, they're not the same mindset. Still, Eminem, Nas, Tech N9ne, Slug, Kurupt, when they are at the top of their game, they really can't be compared to other MC's, because the **** they put out was so ridiculously good.

I know that doesn't jibe with a lot of people, but hey, a lot of people listen to Bob Dylan, and he has one of the worst voices to ever grace music. Don't agree with that? Well take it up with Bob, he's admitted that fact more times than anyone. But when he writes something that is pure poetry, that's what gets him recognized as one of the best at what he does.

Which is why I can say that yes, Kurupt is definitely one of the better rappers to ever rap.


Then again, I don't worship Biggie and 2 Pac, so what do I know, right?

real talk.

kurupt (at his best) > pac. I mean, just look at the pac songs I posted that had kurupt on them. with them on the same track, its even more clear who the better emcee is. kurupt. but like you said, kurupt fell off way too early in his career.

kurupt - calling out names:



^^ one of the dopest diss records ever.

I love tech, but honestly, I get irritated with his delivery and I cant listen to him a whole album through. the whole "cha!" thing he does after every bar gets really really annoying.

slug is dope, but is very monotone and boring at times.

Oh, I agree. Like I said, just because a guy is my favorite rapper, I'm not blinded by that fact and I can see that not all of his tracks are great.

But I might add that Tech puts on one of the best live shows there is, except for ICP. I don't even listen to ICP any more, but damn if they don't have one of the most fun shows that exists.

[denhambrown]

im sittin in the crib dreamin about lear jets and coups
the way salt shoops and how they sell records like snoop (oops)
im interrupted by the doorbell
3:52, who the hell, is this
i gets up quick
cops my shit
stop the dogs from barkin, then proceed to walk in
its a face that i seen before
my ***** sing he used to sling on the 16th floor, check it
i look deeper, i see blood up on his sneakers
and his fist gripped the chrome 4 5th
so i dip... *****, is you creepin or speakin
he tells me c-rock just got hit up at the beacon
i opens up the door, pitiful
is he in critical
retaliation for this one wont be minimal
cuz im a criminal, way before the rap shit
bust a gat shit, puff wont even know what happened
if its done smoothly
silencers on the uzi
stash in the hoopty
my alabi any cutie, with the booty that done ed big pop
head spinnin, reminiscin bout my man c-rock



fillin clips, he explained our situation
precisely so he know exactly what we facin
some kid named jason, in the honda station
wagon was braggin, about how much loot and crack he stackin
rock had a grip, so they formed up a clique
a small crew, round the time i was locked up wit you (true indeed)
but yo ***** let me proceed,
dont fill them clips too high give them bullets room to breathe
yea where was i, yea
went outta town, blew the up
d rock went home and j got stuck the up
hit em twice caught em right for the virgin white
pistol whipped his kids and taped up his wife
he said 'yo rock set em up', no question
wet em up, no less than 50 shots in his direction
how many shots? man *****, i seen mad holes
what kinda gats? hitchlinks, cocks and calicos
but that, i know where all them *****s rest at
in the building hustlin, and they dont be strapped
supreme black... is downstairs the engine runnin
find a bag to put the guns in and come on if ya comin


exchanged hugs and pounds before the throwdown
how its gonna go down
lay these *****s low down
slow down, all that plannin shit
run up in the cribs and make them catch they man and shit
see *****s like you... do 10 year bids
miss the ***** they want, and murda innocent kids
not i
one *****s in my eye, thats jason, aint no slugs gon be wasted
revenge im tastin at the tip of my lips
i cant wait to fill my clip at his hips
pass the chocolate... thai (shh)
sing aint lie, theres jason wit his back to me
talkin to his faculty
i start to get a funny feelin
put the mask on incase *****z start squealin
scream his name out, squeeze six knuckles shorta
***** turned around holdin his daughter



kurupt, nas, pac... they can all spit about random shit. but when it comes to telling a story... nobody is big.

[ogsean]

*headbangs to erik hammers vocal stylings*

[Deleted]

Here's a video of Pac making your, "Challenge Nas, Tupac, Jay and BIG's popularity and talent with a random rapper that touched very few people guy once a month thread", get owned and do nothing about it.




And here's Pac's bodyguard discribing how Pac was such a lyrical genius, he recorded 3 songs a day within the span of October 1995 and August 1996, and wrote powerful and touching verses within 5-10 minutes on his way to the studio, so stop pulling these has been ass rappers out of the wood work and trying to start arguments all the time. No matter who you pull up from the past, the truth speaks for itself, and why do think a large % praise the passion of Jay, Big, Pac and Nas?


Here's one last thing i'll leave you to think about, Pac NEVER took a second take when he would spit his verse, everything Pac was spitting was fresh and raw, he'd always be the first and the quickest to record in the studio no matter who he collaborated with! If a guy took too long to right his verse, Pac would curse the dude out and leave him off the track, he would do the same if you messed up while spitting your verse. I laughed when you said Kurupt had more talent, lyrical ability, meaningfull lyrics, the God giving ability to touch your soul and give you goosebumps, and all around passion than Tupac Shakur, WOW dude!, lay off, Who are you really trying to convince here???
Kray himself once expressed the blind immaturity of a certain type of fan that always tries to prove to people why this one is better than that one. Really, there is no such thing as a best artist ever whether it's Painting, drawing, sports, singing, playing instruments, dancing, poetry, etc. Every artist has an advantage and a disadvantage, but ask yourself this, why do people favor Jordan, Ali, 2pac, Jimi Hendrix, etc. over others?

[KRAYZIE BONE]

cb88 said:

Here's a video of Pac making your, "Challenge Nas, Tupac, Jay and BIG's popularity and talent with a random rapper that touched very few people guy once a month thread", get owned and do nothing about it.




And here's Pac's bodyguard discribing how Pac was such a lyrical genius, he recorded 3 songs a day within the span of October 1995 and August 1996, and wrote powerful and touching verses within 5-10 minutes on his way to the studio, so stop pulling these has been ass rappers out of the wood work and trying to start arguments all the time. No matter who you pull up from the past, the truth speaks for itself, and why do think a large % praise the passion of Jay, Big, Pac and Nas?


Here's one last thing i'll leave you to think about, Pac NEVER took a second take when he would spit his verse, everything Pac was spitting was fresh and raw, he'd always be the first and the quickest to record in the studio no matter who he collaborated with! If a guy took too long to right his verse, Pac would curse the dude out and leave him off the track, he would do the same if you messed up while spitting your verse. I laughed when you said Kurupt had more talent, lyrical ability, meaningfull lyrics, the God giving ability to touch your soul and give you goosebumps, and all around passion than Tupac Shakur, WOW dude!, lay off, Who are you really trying to convince here???
Kray himself once expressed the blind immaturity of a certain type of fan that always tries to prove to people why this one is better than that one. Really, there is no such thing as a best artist ever whether it's Painting, drawing, sports, singing, playing instruments, dancing, poetry, etc. Every artist has an advantage and a disadvantage, but ask yourself this, why do people favor Jordan, Ali, 2pac, Jimi Hendrix, etc. over others?

and john cena is also the best wrestler of all time. I mean, why do you think so many people cheer for him and buy his merchandise.

you probably think pac was better then prodigy too huh? lol.

im not impressed that pac did verses in one take, because there are a million other rappers that can do that. damizza once did an interview where he said him and krayzie bone started/completed tracks in the hundreds in the spam of one summer. should I bow down?

pac has the hype behind him because of his death and the circumstances that surround it (all the issues with him "predicting it" and him still being alive). 90% of his record sales came after his death. the only rappers to go platinum in 95 were bone, biggie, and the wu. people were NOT checking for pac when he was alive like they do today.

if you look past the HYPE that surrounds 2pac, and focus on his music you would see that there is an endless list of rappers that are better then he was, who made just as deep and powerful music, and who were able to record at a level higher then him. the majority of the people he dissed were far better emcees then he was. they, unfortantely in most cases, dont have the luxury of having a hype to put them and their music in the public eye like pac did.

your such a sheep its pathetic.

you talk about how "every month" I have a new rapper to hype. thats because I am always looking for dope emcees to listen to. unlike you, I dont limit myself to what MTV tells me is great. nas, biggie, jay, and pac. fool please.

Lmao @ you telling me to "lay off" because I find other rappers more impressive then 2pac. hate to break your heart, but ALOT of people feel the same way. I remember last time someone tried to play 2pac up like a god here, I linked them to a thread from the ill community (the largest hip hop forum on earth) that was a poll of the most overrated rapper. 2pac came in 2nd place behind jay-z. most people realize that there is far better out there. and I love pac. I have more pac songs in my itunes library then anyone else outside of bone thugs.

so you can keep living in your fantasy world where there arent rappers that made/make just as (if not more) powerful, good, deep, music then tupac shakur. Ill stay in the real world with no wool over my eyes. thanks.

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You obviously need to look up some history because,
1. Tupac hit #1 in 1995 and went platinum with "Me Against The World". Biggie never went plat until after his death in 97', with the "Life After" album.
2. Mobb Deep was owned by Pac in 96' and they decided to diss back after he died.
3.Tupac was obviously the #1 solo hip-hop artist from 94-96, even young kids used to like his singles back in that time period(myself included). I could remember my older brother buying the hip-hop tapes on Jamaica ave in NY back in those days. IMO, yes I have an opinion, Pac is ONE of those guys that you just don't compare to has-been dudes like Prodigy, Kurupt, Wish Bone etc. I also noticed something about you, you sure are quick to throw insults at people while trying to get your point across, I don't need to take it that low. You have no idea what's in my ipod first of all, I listen to so many underrated guys out and yes I have many of the old school dudes that fell off from the past(even some guys that I was too young to remember from the late 80's and early 90's. I've got Pharoahe Monch, Common, Wu-tang, Black Moon, Mobb Deep, Dogg Pound, Bone, etc. I think you have a problem between an artist being popular, or overrated. You seem to dislike whatever alot of people like just to stand out on purpose. You think if a dude favors BIG or Pac over somebody, he knows nothing about true hip-hop. If you could believe it, Pac has done "better",(a word that you seem to love) tracks than some of the underground dudes that I bump on my ipod, and sometimes i'm feeling an underground dudes song more than Pac or Jay. You can't convince people whenever you try to say outragish craplike Kurupt is better than Pac, end of. I mean come on, are you serious dude? I studied the Dogg Food album just like you studied E. 1999 or Thug Mentality, I really feel alot of the underrated guys out, I got alot of respect for Kurupt and others, but i'll never flat out call someone better than the other(especially a guy in Pac's calliber that touched milllions). I'm not one of these dick-riding fans like most are post his death, i've been an all around hip hop head since i could remember, obviously the same with pro wrestling lol. For the record, I ed with Bone since I first heard Crossroads when I was like 8 or 9 in 96'.