Bischoff > Meltzer & Keller

[T. Selanne]

The only problem I have with his rant is this:

"For all of you that think I am some kind of apologist for WWE: Your wrong."



It's you're Eric, not your! But since you made some great points, I'll let it slide... this time!

[philselway]

If there's one thing this thread shows me, it's that most of the people who think Bischoff is 'right' and 'better than Keller and Melzter' are pulling a knee jerk reaction to this blog. Bischoff uses the tired and useless argument of 'there are better things to worry about.'

As a society, all of these problems need to be addressed, period. From wrestling to the drunkass astronauts, and they will be, in due time.

That whole segment of his blog is useless, thoughtless and about as deep as you get in your freshman year at college.

Bischoff also implies that musicians have died just as often as wrestlers. Not true by a long shot, and if you've read Meltzer's coverage since the Benoit tragedy, you'd know that, beyond just the common sense it takes to realize the numbers don't add up at all like he says.

Yes, the Lindsay Lohans and Nick Noltes of the world are out there, and everybody gets a good laugh/high and mighty 'look at those morons' attitude at their unfortunate turn towards substance abuse. But to compare Lindsay getting coked up and taking a drive to a group of full grown men, working together at a profession, deliberately abusing steroids, pain killers, uppers and downers to stay ahead and make money to the point of dying before the age of 45 at an alarming rate is like comparing apples and oranges. Bischoff, who I loved as a wrestling character, is just way off base here.

The only thing he really hits on of significance is that the doctors, as in the case of Anna Nicole and Benoit, need to be looked at just as harshly, if not more so than the wrestlers.

In the end, this whole problem is about money. The wrestlers want and need to make more to support their family's, so they juice and stay ahead through substance abuse as much as they can until they burn out and die, and the doctors want to line their pockets off of these athletes FROM ALL SPORTS.

If the problem isn't gone now, it won't ever go away without outside help. I applaud congress for looking in to this if they actually make a difference.

Bischoff can spout off all he wants about how this is just a PR compaign for congressmen. I won't buy into that until the chips fall where they may. He is just speculating at this point, and he should know better than that.

Tell Bischoff to go f himself if he thinks Melzter, Keller, and fans who don't want to see their favorite wrestlers continue to die off at an alarming rate are all barking up the wrong tree. Tell him to tell that to the families of all the dead wrestlers.

[The Maestro]

philselway said:

That whole segment of his blog is useless, thoughtless and about as deep as you get in your freshman year at college.

We used to get pretty deep freshman year in college... deep in Andy McLaughlin's funky stink smell.

[Joe/Smurf]

lol too bad Wade.

[Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion]

quepaso said:

I love how anyone that actually covers or reports on pro wrestling objectively and gets information from people inside of WWE, TNA, ROH, etc. is automatically a douche bag.

Fans wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for guys like Meltzer.

I'm a tax payer, and I support Congress looking into WWE's lack of a drug policy. You can only break the law so long before you get caught. WWE is about to get caught, and it will be great to see them go down in flames all the while the WWE fans are crying and blaming Meltzer.

Wrestling was alot better when fans had no access to the inside scoop... WWE isn't breaking the law... they aren't saying "Hey Bobby Lashley, take these steroids or you are fired." these guys who ARE taking steroids are doing so under their own free will. The WWE is doing everything that they can do in terms of drug testing. This is the same thing as in the 90's with the difference being Vince McMahon is not hand feeding these guys steroids. The worse that will happen is a handful of people who are caught taking steroids in this investigation will be fired or suspended... I can't see the WWE closing down or falling below TNA or anything like that. The day that happens, I will eat my hat.

[philselway]

howdy said:

The WWE is doing everything that they can do in terms of drug testing. This is the same thing as in the 90's with the difference being Vince McMahon is not hand feeding these guys steroids.

I'm sorry Platinum. The WWE is not doing everything they can in terms of drug testing. It has become clear that Benoit himself, as he was passing tests administered by the WWE, was being prescribed dose after dose, in large quantities, of steroids. Not only that, but the reason Congress has requested the drug testing paperwork from the WWE, is because there are ways around getting busted by these tests, and is regarded as a sham in most people's eyes.

I highly reccomend people read and watch as much as they can on this topic before coming to your own conclusion. Don't just rely on what you read on this forum, or even just Meltzer or Keller. Listen to what a guy like Lance Storm has to say, who seems to be the most honest and unbiased source of information from a pro-wrestler on this subject out there. When Lance Storm is saying there is a problem, people are dying when they don't need to be, and that the testing is a sham, we as fans should listen. What would his motivation be? To get on TV? It seems to me it comes from a genuine concern for his friends and aquaintances.

If the congress needs to investigate this thing to get something to happen, so be it. I think we'd all rather watch our favorite wrestlers be inducted into the hall of fame as a living, breathing soul, no? And so on for our other favorite sports. It has to start somewhere, and pro-wrestling seems the logical first step.

[philselway]

chrispesqueira said:

philselway said:

That whole segment of his blog is useless, thoughtless and about as deep as you get in your freshman year at college.

We used to get pretty deep freshman year in college... deep in Andy McLaughlin's funky stink smell.

You can't fake that funk.

[Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion]

To be fair I believe that the WWE is testing for Anabolic Steroids... Benoit did not actually have any Anabolic Steroids in his body.. He only had elevated levels of Testosterone which, while it is a steroid, isn't something that any of the drug tests look for... at least that is what I heard...

However I fear that I am going to pulled into a "you are defending steroids debate" so I guess I should quit while I am ahead. I would just like to say that this whole Congress investigation is going to accomplish nothing more than the federal investigation in the 90's... I mean, the WWE has been around for how many more years after that Steroid scandal? And yet that didn't accomplish much of anything, in fact it seems like more people have died since that than they had before the investigation...

But while we are at it, if Congress is going to investigate the WWE (a Sports Entertainment company) Let's investigate TNA, the NFL, NBA, MLB, the PGA, NHL... let's just look into everything. I mean you are going to be spending money looking at the WWE, look at everything else that has to do with sports as well. That way there is no grey area in terms of "Is this guy doping?" it can be all very cut and dry and it will improve everything rather than JUST making Wrestling look incredibly ugly in the public light.

[quepaso]

howdy said:

quepaso said:

I love how anyone that actually covers or reports on pro wrestling objectively and gets information from people inside of WWE, TNA, ROH, etc. is automatically a douche bag.

Fans wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for guys like Meltzer.

I'm a tax payer, and I support Congress looking into WWE's lack of a drug policy. You can only break the law so long before you get caught. WWE is about to get caught, and it will be great to see them go down in flames all the while the WWE fans are crying and blaming Meltzer.

Wrestling was alot better when fans had no access to the inside scoop... WWE isn't breaking the law... they aren't saying "Hey Bobby Lashley, take these steroids or you are fired." these guys who ARE taking steroids are doing so under their own free will. The WWE is doing everything that they can do in terms of drug testing. This is the same thing as in the 90's with the difference being Vince McMahon is not hand feeding these guys steroids. The worse that will happen is a handful of people who are caught taking steroids in this investigation will be fired or suspended... I can't see the WWE closing down or falling below TNA or anything like that. The day that happens, I will eat my hat.

[quepaso]

howdy said:

Wrestling was alot better when fans had no access to the inside scoop... WWE isn't breaking the law... they aren't saying "Hey Bobby Lashley, take these steroids or you are fired." these guys who ARE taking steroids are doing so under their own free will.

It has nothing to do with telling guys to take roids, although I'm pretty sure they aren't verbally doing it, it is quite obvious the talent sees who gets pushed and who doesn't.

They are however hiding the results of failed tests. WWE has lied to both fans and now they'll be doing so to the federal government. Hopefully the deaths of the past few years will help send Vince and his company down the tubes. Falsifying tests are a federal crime punishible by jail time and fines bigger then WWE can handle.

howdy said:

The WWE is doing everything that they can do in terms of drug testing. This is the same thing as in the 90's with the difference being Vince McMahon is not hand feeding these guys steroids. The worse that will happen is a handful of people who are caught taking steroids in this investigation will be fired or suspended... I can't see the WWE closing down or falling below TNA or anything like that. The day that happens, I will eat my hat.

Haha, you've been disqualified for ridiculousness. The ratio for WWE failure is far easier to pass then any other drug test regulation in any sport or company. Vince is handing them roids through his actions and the talent is taking them and passing away way to young.

I can't wait to see all the fans crying and complaining when the government begins testing WWE wrestlers and guys like Cena, Lashley, Batista, and Johnny Nitro are the first ones in line failing. It's going to be quite the good time.

[Ian from 616Entertainment.]

I just posted my own rant on why people live and die by Keller and Meltzer's words, and now Bischoff is doing the same. While his goes far more into detail than mine, and he has the facts to back up what he says, he actually goes all out on the problem with wrestling today. and not just the problems with wrestling, but our government over all.

Bischoff > All. Fact.

[hollywood06]

How can people say this is a dirty little secret when it's been in the public eye for close to 20 years. Wasn't Vince on trial in the early 90's for steriods and for distributing them? And wasn't it during that trial that Vince himself ratted Hulk out for using. Why wasn't the Government able to convict him? The Government investigating steriods or drugs in any line of entertainment or sports is a joke.

[BigDaddyChacon]

Bischoff is THE MAN!!!!!!!

[Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion]

quepaso said:

howdy said:

Wrestling was alot better when fans had no access to the inside scoop... WWE isn't breaking the law... they aren't saying "Hey Bobby Lashley, take these steroids or you are fired." these guys who ARE taking steroids are doing so under their own free will.

It has nothing to do with telling guys to take roids, although I'm pretty sure they aren't verbally doing it, it is quite obvious the talent sees who gets pushed and who doesn't.

They are however hiding the results of failed tests. WWE has lied to both fans and now they'll be doing so to the federal government. Hopefully the deaths of the past few years will help send Vince and his company down the tubes. Falsifying tests are a federal crime punishible by jail time and fines bigger then WWE can handle.

howdy said:

The WWE is doing everything that they can do in terms of drug testing. This is the same thing as in the 90's with the difference being Vince McMahon is not hand feeding these guys steroids. The worse that will happen is a handful of people who are caught taking steroids in this investigation will be fired or suspended... I can't see the WWE closing down or falling below TNA or anything like that. The day that happens, I will eat my hat.

Haha, you've been disqualified for ridiculousness. The ratio for WWE failure is far easier to pass then any other drug test regulation in any sport or company. Vince is handing them roids through his actions and the talent is taking them and passing away way to young.

I can't wait to see all the fans crying and complaining when the government begins testing WWE wrestlers and guys like Cena, Lashley, Batista, and Johnny Nitro are the first ones in line failing. It's going to be quite the good time.

Well I know when I have been beat. I think you win... although I have to ask, why did you just simply quote my post last time?

[bbarton]

I actually hope this results in wrestling being regulated. That way all the indies will die and it will be hilarious to see the smark reaction. Lets see how supportive they are of all this after that would happen. While Vince McMahon would hate it and he doesn;t want anybody from outside in control, WWE can probably afford regulation. If no other companies are targeted by Congress WWE needs to put up a fuss about it. To say that the other organizations have nothing going on is a load of B.S. Imagine how Dana White would react if some smaller MMA groups popped up and ran shows without regulation. He wouldn't just sit there and allow it to happen.

[NotoriusVIG]

Yea, Bischoff can knock Dave all he wants. He was in his ear during his WCW runs the entire time yet in his blogs and books, he seems to dislike him.

[quepaso]

bbarton said:

I actually hope this results in wrestling being regulated. That way all the indies will die and it will be hilarious to see the smark reaction. Lets see how supportive they are of all this after that would happen.

Federal regulation would mean the government oversees the testing done to the promotions. The only ones that would fall under the ruling are ones with contracted talent, WWE, TNA, & ROH. All 3 of which can afford testing. Random indy #245483 would not apply because he has independent talent on his show. Nice try though.

[Graze]

I think alot of you need to read this

Credit: The Law

Eric Bischoff has posted a new blog on his website basically slamming anyone trying to cover the Benoit tragedy and indict professional wrestling for having any problems. He acknowledges that there are problems in wrestling but that there are far more important issues for Congress to address and asks Marc Mero to compile a list of musicians that have died young and whether the record labels should be investigated.

The argument that “there are ‘x’ amount of things worse than us” is not a valid excuse to overlook something in my opinion. I would love to see a list of musicians that have died of overdoses and other drug related deaths before the age of 50 and would heavily doubt it approaches the 60+ in professional wrestling, but again I could be wrong. If a musician decides to experiment with cocaine that isn’t going to improve his standing with a record label nor is it going to encourage other musicians to start using cocaine as a means to keep up with said musician. On the professional wrestling side if Wrestler A decides that Human Growth Hormone will help him cut unnecessary fat and have a more ripped look it IS going to improve his standing with his company because at the end of the day professional wrestling is a cosmetic industry and performers are pushed as much on their look as they are on their skill (and quite often there is heavy emphasis placed on the former). Now I’m not making an excuse for other wrestlers that this gives them a green light to use steroids and other drugs on the basis that “well everyone else is doing it” but you cannot deny that if Wrestler A begins using GH and is rewarded with a push, a run with the title and you’re stuck doing opening matches every night with more in ring skill but a less marketable look, that you aren’t going to be tempted to using GH yourself as a means to improve your look? In pro wrestling, your body is your business and you must present that business is the most marketable form possible. Eric Bischoff is entitled to his opinion but I whole heartedly disagree and once he gets into silly and petty name calling with Dave Meltzer and Wade Keller he loses any focus the reader may have on any issues he is attempting to raise. Pro Wrestling does have a problem and if Congress chooses to investigate this problem then so be it, just because it’s “wrestling” doesn’t mean it gets a pass (it often does with the media let alone the Government) and the numbers are proof positive that at the very least an exploratory investigation is warranted into the industry

Oh, the ing truth

[eso]

Bischoff > Vince

[leafs911]

I love Eric Bischoff