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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Mar 6, 2024 19:51:28 GMT -5
 My honest reaction, as someone that has E7 DX MOC in my closet as a 'incase of emergency, break glass' type of sell option. Hopefully the emergency doesn’t cost more than $250! |
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Mar 6, 2024 19:51:55 GMT -5
Isn’t it time that stop rereleasing everything. Shouldn’t they want there to be some of their figures to be valuable on the secondary market and not go down when release them. Mattel makes 0 money from figures being sold on the secondary market, why would they care about the secondary market? |
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Post by crush on Mar 6, 2024 19:51:57 GMT -5
Isn’t it time that stop rereleasing everything. Shouldn’t they want there to be some of their figures to be valuable on the secondary market and not go down when release them. I don’t think these releases are going to do that much damage to the secondary market, not across the board at least. For starters, most of the value is in MOC figures, and considering these figures are in totally different packaging, I don’t see them killing the value of most* of the original releases too much. Plus the figures are immediately distinguishable from the original release even out of box. *I could see maybe stuff like the Dudley figures taking a hit, but the RSC exclusives and early 2010s-era Elites are going to hold relatively steady IMO, in the long-run anyway. |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Mar 6, 2024 20:05:36 GMT -5
Just a reminder to everyone to buy things because you get enjoyment from them, not because maybe they’ll hold some value later. These are mass produced toys in the year 2024, not real estate or stocks or precious metals. Everyone saves everything now. Old toys were an investment without knowing it because your dads and uncles blew up their Gi Joes and didn’t think to keep them mint on card for 50 years. Great point for collectors to understand. I used to collect Toybiz Marvel thinking they would appreciate in value. Now they go for cheap mostly all figures. I'm glad I didn't have the intention of collecting for reselling. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 6, 2024 20:20:25 GMT -5
Just a reminder to everyone to buy things because you get enjoyment from them, not because maybe they’ll hold some value later. These are mass produced toys in the year 2024, not real estate or stocks or precious metals. Everyone saves everything now. Old toys were an investment without knowing it because your dads and uncles blew up their Gi Joes and didn’t think to keep them mint on card for 50 years. I don't buy figures for the potential resale, but it is nice to have "sought after" figures as part of your collection. If all of my figures are worthless, then I don't feel like a collector as much as I would a hoarder. The potential in increased value makes it a "collection." The one's that bother me the most are the RSC exclusive KANE and the Defining Moments Undertaker. I started collecting Mattels a few years into the line and I totally missed the Defining Moments Taker. I am the type of collector that will save my money to pay secondary prices for something I am really interested in and is considered a rare or sought after item. I paid nearly $200 years ago for a MIB Defining Moments SS Taker because that is how this game should work. It is my own fault for not being a part of the game when it was happening. Mattel shouldn't have to help me catch up. If I care enough, I should catch myself up. And that is what I did, and still do with other lines like TMNT, Marvel Legends, etc. There is no reason for straight rereleases. |
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Mar 6, 2024 20:21:34 GMT -5
Just a reminder to everyone to buy things because you get enjoyment from them, not because maybe they’ll hold some value later. These are mass produced toys in the year 2024, not real estate or stocks or precious metals. Everyone saves everything now. Old toys were an investment without knowing it because your dads and uncles blew up their Gi Joes and didn’t think to keep them mint on card for 50 years. Great point for collectors to understand. I used to collect Toybiz Marvel thinking they would appreciate in value. Now they go for cheap mostly all figures. I'm glad I didn't have the intention of collecting for reselling. and speaking of toybiz marvel figures(the early-mid 90s ones, not marvel legends), those things were re-released SOOO many times back in the day. between multi-packs, kb toys, etc...there was no shortage of the same exact figures being released multiple times. at least mattel is upgrading previous releases now toybiz marvel legends...i wish i had sold off my collection sooner than i did. back in the summer i sold the whole lot to a local store and got around $450 for it all. definitely got a little low-balled considering i had the galactus and apocalypse build a figures, but it was my own fault for letting them sit in a bin for so long while hasbro was pumping out better versions of everything i had. oh well, such is collecting Just a reminder to everyone to buy things because you get enjoyment from them, not because maybe they’ll hold some value later. These are mass produced toys in the year 2024, not real estate or stocks or precious metals. Everyone saves everything now. Old toys were an investment without knowing it because your dads and uncles blew up their Gi Joes and didn’t think to keep them mint on card for 50 years. I don't buy figures for the potential resale, but it is nice to have "sought after" figures as part of your collection. If all of my figures are worthless, then I don't feel like a collector as much as I would a hoarder. The potential in increased value makes it a "collection." The one's that bother me the most are the RSC exclusive KANE and the Defining Moments Undertaker. I started collecting Mattels a few years into the line and I totally missed the Defining Moments Taker. I am the type of collector that will save my money to pay secondary prices for something I am really interested in and is considered a rare or sought after item. I paid nearly $200 years ago for a MIB Defining Moments SS Taker because that is how this game should work. It is my own fault for not being a part of the game when it was happening. Mattel shouldn't have to help me catch up. If I care enough, I should catch myself up. And that is what I did, and still do with other lines like TMNT, Marvel Legends, etc. There is no reason for straight rereleases. they aren't straight re-releases though. different packaging, upgraded articulation, swappable hands, true fx(apparently). there's differences to distinguish from the originals |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Mar 6, 2024 20:26:00 GMT -5
Great point for collectors to understand. I used to collect Toybiz Marvel thinking they would appreciate in value. Now they go for cheap mostly all figures. I'm glad I didn't have the intention of collecting for reselling. and speaking of toybiz marvel figures(the early-mid 90s ones, not marvel legends), those things were re-released SOOO many times back in the day. between multi-packs, kb toys, etc...there was no shortage of the same exact figures being released multiple times. at least mattel is upgrading previous releases now toybiz marvel legends...i wish i had sold off my collection sooner than i did. back in the summer i sold the whole lot to a local store and got around $450 for it all. definitely got a little low-balled considering i had the galactus and apocalypse build a figures, but it was my own fault for letting them sit in a bin for so long while hasbro was pumping out better versions of everything i had. oh well, such is collecting Whoa! With Galactus and Apocalypse BAF!! I'm sorry you had to sell your collection but as great as those figures are (especially since they had those awesome stands), they should have been worth more! With toy collecting; things go up for some reason while others don't, like the stock market. I remember ToyBiz Deadpool going for $80 back in the days. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 6, 2024 20:26:58 GMT -5
Great point for collectors to understand. I used to collect Toybiz Marvel thinking they would appreciate in value. Now they go for cheap mostly all figures. I'm glad I didn't have the intention of collecting for reselling. and speaking of toybiz marvel figures(the early-mid 90s ones, not marvel legends), those things were re-released SOOO many times back in the day. between multi-packs, kb toys, etc...there was no shortage of the same exact figures being released multiple times. at least mattel is upgrading previous releases now toybiz marvel legends...i wish i had sold off my collection sooner than i did. back in the summer i sold the whole lot to a local store and got around $450 for it all. definitely got a little low-balled considering i had the galactus and apocalypse build a figures, but it was my own fault for letting them sit in a bin for so long while hasbro was pumping out better versions of everything i had. oh well, such is collecting I don't buy figures for the potential resale, but it is nice to have "sought after" figures as part of your collection. If all of my figures are worthless, then I don't feel like a collector as much as I would a hoarder. The potential in increased value makes it a "collection." The one's that bother me the most are the RSC exclusive KANE and the Defining Moments Undertaker. I started collecting Mattels a few years into the line and I totally missed the Defining Moments Taker. I am the type of collector that will save my money to pay secondary prices for something I am really interested in and is considered a rare or sought after item. I paid nearly $200 years ago for a MIB Defining Moments SS Taker because that is how this game should work. It is my own fault for not being a part of the game when it was happening. Mattel shouldn't have to help me catch up. If I care enough, I should catch myself up. And that is what I did, and still do with other lines like TMNT, Marvel Legends, etc. There is no reason for straight rereleases. they aren't straight re-releases though. different packaging, upgraded articulation, swappable hands, true fx(apparently). there's differences to distinguish from the originals Ok let me rephrase. There is no reason to do the same figure again, meaning the same exact attire. You could easily do those Dudleys with different colors. Did not need to be the same (or "updated") as the original elites. |
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Mar 6, 2024 20:33:51 GMT -5
and speaking of toybiz marvel figures(the early-mid 90s ones, not marvel legends), those things were re-released SOOO many times back in the day. between multi-packs, kb toys, etc...there was no shortage of the same exact figures being released multiple times. at least mattel is upgrading previous releases now toybiz marvel legends...i wish i had sold off my collection sooner than i did. back in the summer i sold the whole lot to a local store and got around $450 for it all. definitely got a little low-balled considering i had the galactus and apocalypse build a figures, but it was my own fault for letting them sit in a bin for so long while hasbro was pumping out better versions of everything i had. oh well, such is collecting Whoa! With Galactus and Apocalypse BAF!! I'm sorry you had to sell your collection but as great as those figures are (especially since they had those awesome stands), they should have been worth more! With toy collecting; things go up for some reason while others don't, like the stock market. I remember ToyBiz Deadpool going for $80 back in the days. technically, i didn't HAVE to sell everything off. i had taken them all off my shelves years ago and had them bagged up in a rubbermaid bin stored in the back of my closet. i saw that as them just taking up space so i figured it was just time to let them go. and realistically, i didn't really have anything TOO valuable besides the baf's. just a bunch of figures that reminded me of the early 90s marvel figures i had. i did however keep my series 6 reissue deadpool. remember when they did those re-issues for walmart? i was ecstatic that i was finally able to get deadpool without dropping a ton of money that 19 year old me didn't have to spend on action figures. sounds like a familiar scenario.... lol |
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Post by Chip on Mar 6, 2024 20:34:54 GMT -5
HBK & HHH are from Elite Series 7
Bubba & D-Von are from Elite Series 45
Undertaker was Defining Moments Series 4
John Cena was Defining Moments Series 5
Kane was a Ringside Exclusive released in 2013
Ultimate Warrior was from the Target Exclusive Hall of Champions Series 3 that was very hard to find in stores because that line was on its Target deathbed
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Post by coldblooded on Mar 6, 2024 20:40:13 GMT -5
HBK & HHH are from Elite Series 7 Bubba & D-Von are from Elite Series 45 Undertaker was Defining Moments Series 4 John Cena was Defining Moments Series 5 Kane was a Ringside Exclusive released in 2013 Ultimate Warrior was from the Target Exclusive Hall of Champions Series 3 that was very hard to find in stores because that line was on its Target deathbed Before target got gud 😂 |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 6, 2024 20:45:26 GMT -5
Just a reminder to everyone to buy things because you get enjoyment from them, not because maybe they’ll hold some value later. These are mass produced toys in the year 2024, not real estate or stocks or precious metals. Everyone saves everything now. Old toys were an investment without knowing it because your dads and uncles blew up their Gi Joes and didn’t think to keep them mint on card for 50 years. I don't buy figures for the potential resale, but it is nice to have "sought after" figures as part of your collection. If all of my figures are worthless, then I don't feel like a collector as much as I would a hoarder. The potential in increased value makes it a "collection." The one's that bother me the most are the RSC exclusive KANE and the Defining Moments Undertaker. I started collecting Mattels a few years into the line and I totally missed the Defining Moments Taker. I am the type of collector that will save my money to pay secondary prices for something I am really interested in and is considered a rare or sought after item. I paid nearly $200 years ago for a MIB Defining Moments SS Taker because that is how this game should work. It is my own fault for not being a part of the game when it was happening. Mattel shouldn't have to help me catch up. If I care enough, I should catch myself up.And that is what I did, and still do with other lines like TMNT, Marvel Legends, etc. There is no reason for straight rereleases. Where does Mattel benefit from resale prices? If they see something they made is consistently selling for 3-10x the MSRP on eBay, then why wouldn’t they get back in on the action. They didn’t sign reserve lists for figures that can’t be touched again. This is something Magic the Gathering did early on to appease investors, but Mattel and Hasbro are giant corporations. They don’t care what Joe Schmoe makes off their product. Edit:also for every one person that is mad about this and quit collecting(they never really do) they’ll get 10 more new collectors because it’s a never ending cycle. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 6, 2024 20:52:24 GMT -5
I don't buy figures for the potential resale, but it is nice to have "sought after" figures as part of your collection. If all of my figures are worthless, then I don't feel like a collector as much as I would a hoarder. The potential in increased value makes it a "collection." The one's that bother me the most are the RSC exclusive KANE and the Defining Moments Undertaker. I started collecting Mattels a few years into the line and I totally missed the Defining Moments Taker. I am the type of collector that will save my money to pay secondary prices for something I am really interested in and is considered a rare or sought after item. I paid nearly $200 years ago for a MIB Defining Moments SS Taker because that is how this game should work. It is my own fault for not being a part of the game when it was happening. Mattel shouldn't have to help me catch up. If I care enough, I should catch myself up.And that is what I did, and still do with other lines like TMNT, Marvel Legends, etc. There is no reason for straight rereleases. Where does Mattel benefit from resale prices? If they see something they made is consistently selling for 3-10x the MSRP on eBay, then why wouldn’t they get back in on the action. They didn’t sign reserve lists for figures that can’t be touched again. This is something Magic the Gathering did early on to appease investors, but Mattel and Hasbro are giant corporations. They don’t care what Joe Schmoe makes off their product. I would argue that Mattel benefits almost from a word of mouth situation. When people see that their items are valuable, desired, sought after, etc, then other people will want to get in on the action. When every figure is produced to the point where you can simply get it for retail or less, then that may not be appealing to some collectors. I never once said that Mattel would benefit though. That wasn't my original point. I was stating my mindset as a collector. I do not believe in releases. I believe that if you want something bad enough then you have to save for it. Work for it. For example, FUNKO sells limited NFT Pops. I absolutely hate the concept of NFTs, but they still release physical versions of those pops. They are difficult to come by, and some are very expensive on the secondary market. I am a huge Dark Knight fan, and they just shipped out the Dark Knight wave. The pops are too expensive for me, but you don't see me crying about it. Maybe one day I can save enough to get them. If not, they are a rare piece for someone else that bolsters up their collector. I like that. Even though I don't have them for mine, I like the idea that they are rare and makes someone's collection valuable. Does Funko gain anything from these secondary market sales? No, but that was never my point. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 6, 2024 20:56:40 GMT -5
Where does Mattel benefit from resale prices? If they see something they made is consistently selling for 3-10x the MSRP on eBay, then why wouldn’t they get back in on the action. They didn’t sign reserve lists for figures that can’t be touched again. This is something Magic the Gathering did early on to appease investors, but Mattel and Hasbro are giant corporations. They don’t care what Joe Schmoe makes off their product. I would argue that Mattel benefits almost from a word of mouth situation. When people see that their items are valuable, desired, sought after, etc, then other people will want to get in on the action. When every figure is produced to the point where you can simply get it for retail or less, then that may not be appealing to some collectors. I never once said that Mattel would benefit though. That wasn't my original point. I was stating my mindset as a collector. I do not believe in releases. I believe that if you want something bad enough then you have to save for it. Work for it. For example, FUNKO sells limited NFT Pops. I absolutely hate the concept of NFTs, but they still release physical versions of those pops. They are difficult to come by, and some are very expensive on the secondary market. I am a huge Dark Knight fan, and they just shipped out the Dark Knight wave. The pops are too expensive for me, but you don't see me crying about it. Maybe one day I can save enough to get them. If not, they are a rare piece for someone else that bolsters up their collector. I like that. Even though I don't have them for mine, I like the idea that they are rare and makes someone's collection valuable. Does Funko gain anything from these secondary market sales? No, but that was never my point. And my point is these are pieces of plastic that only hold the value we place on them. Don’t get me started on Funko. There’s gonna be an trash island made of those in the future. I more so think about people dying and a lot of this stuff just going in the garbage because to most humans that’s what they are and they won’t think to eBay thousands of pieces of plastic. They’ll get donated or scrapped… |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 6, 2024 21:02:49 GMT -5
I would argue that Mattel benefits almost from a word of mouth situation. When people see that their items are valuable, desired, sought after, etc, then other people will want to get in on the action. When every figure is produced to the point where you can simply get it for retail or less, then that may not be appealing to some collectors. I never once said that Mattel would benefit though. That wasn't my original point. I was stating my mindset as a collector. I do not believe in releases. I believe that if you want something bad enough then you have to save for it. Work for it. For example, FUNKO sells limited NFT Pops. I absolutely hate the concept of NFTs, but they still release physical versions of those pops. They are difficult to come by, and some are very expensive on the secondary market. I am a huge Dark Knight fan, and they just shipped out the Dark Knight wave. The pops are too expensive for me, but you don't see me crying about it. Maybe one day I can save enough to get them. If not, they are a rare piece for someone else that bolsters up their collector. I like that. Even though I don't have them for mine, I like the idea that they are rare and makes someone's collection valuable. Does Funko gain anything from these secondary market sales? No, but that was never my point. Don’t get me started on Funko. There’s gonna be an trash island made of those in the future. I more so think about people dying and a lot of this stuff just going in the garbage because to most humans that’s what they are and they won’t think to eBay thousands of pieces of plastic. They’ll get donated or scrapped… You can say that about any collection. Trading cards are literally pieces of paper. Any and every collectible's value is based off of the value we place on them. You're all over the place with what you're debating here. All I said was my personal mindset as a collector. If these items have absolutely no value and are not "sought after," then I am essentially a glorified hoarder. That is not how I view myself because I value my collection and I want my collection to have value. |
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Post by Chip on Mar 6, 2024 21:13:00 GMT -5
I had a whole thing written but it's not going to change anything in the long run....so I'll just say
If you're one of those people who's celebrating some kind of massive collecting victory today....congrats! go get yourself a nice steak and fries dinner and kick your feet up. You've earned it big dog.
If you're one of the people who's been loyal to this hobby for a long time, and enjoyed the fact that things you bought for yourself with no ulterior motive gained some pretty good monetary value. Get off the train asap, and realize now that everything in this Mattel WWE Action Figure world has changed and it's time to re-evaluate/re-assess your priorities
Lastly, the biggest reason I don't like these re-releases, is because, as a wrestling figure collector, I'd always rather have NEW LOOKS instead of repeats. Considering the subject matter being wrestlers, who've had dozens upon dozens of different attires over the years.
Like, this is what? the 25th Elite Ultimate Warrior being made...and we still don't have one in his iconic neon green trunks....but we are getting a re-release of a Target Exclusive that had some value on the secondary market because it was tough to find. Money/value aside this is what irks me the most
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Mar 6, 2024 21:13:27 GMT -5
And my point is these are pieces of plastic that only hold the value we place on them. Don’t get me started on Funko. There’s gonna be an trash island made of those in the future. I more so think about people dying and a lot of this stuff just going in the garbage because to most humans that’s what they are and they won’t think to eBay thousands of pieces of plastic. They’ll get donated or scrapped… You can say that about any collection. Trading cards are literally pieces of paper. Any and every collectible's value is based off of the value we place on them. You're all over the place with what you're debating here. All I said was my personal mindset as a collector. If these items have absolutely no value and are not "sought after," then I am essentially a glorified hoarder. That is not how I view myself because I value my collection and I want my collection to have value. and for every collector like you, there's several that collect just for the fun of it instead of placing artificial value on mass produced figures. limited edition figures, sure there's some actual value. but at the end of the day, they're all still only worth what someone is willing to pay. |
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Post by Chip on Mar 6, 2024 21:15:01 GMT -5
You can say that about any collection. Trading cards are literally pieces of paper. Any and every collectible's value is based off of the value we place on them. You're all over the place with what you're debating here. All I said was my personal mindset as a collector. If these items have absolutely no value and are not "sought after," then I am essentially a glorified hoarder. That is not how I view myself because I value my collection and I want my collection to have value.  |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 6, 2024 21:18:36 GMT -5
Wow, this is great. This is tempting me to dive back in to collecting. Fantastic set. I was surprised that some people were butthurt about it, but I don’t know why that surprised me lol.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 6, 2024 21:20:21 GMT -5
You can say that about any collection. Trading cards are literally pieces of paper. Any and every collectible's value is based off of the value we place on them. You're all over the place with what you're debating here. All I said was my personal mindset as a collector. If these items have absolutely no value and are not "sought after," then I am essentially a glorified hoarder. That is not how I view myself because I value my collection and I want my collection to have value. and for every collector like you, there's several that collect just for the fun of it instead of placing artificial value on mass produced figures. limited edition figures, sure there's some actual value. but at the end of the day, they're all still only worth what someone is willing to pay. Again, never disagreed with that. Literally just said that. I feel like people have trouble reading... I described MY mindset as a collector. I didn't say every collector was the same. I don't like what Mattel is doing with these rereleases, but, at the end of the day, I have no say in the matter. It's like you guys are arguing with me to make sure Mattel doesn't change their mind. They aren't listening to me. I wish they cared more about collectors like me, but I don't blame them for seeing the secondary prices and wanting a piece of the pie. There is nothing wrong with how you view your collection, and there is nothing wrong with how I view my collection and how I want it to actually hold it's value. |
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