azraelms
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Post by azraelms on Oct 20, 2023 15:28:49 GMT -5
I am not sure of legalities, but after all this time, I would think that IF AEW/Jazwares had the right to make any version of Sting that they could, we would have seen more of these and more variety than we have. With all the hubbub over the lost Legends Crow Sting, they would have included that in their Luminaries collection if they could. There is a reason that one of the upcoming Stings is the Blade Runner version - which was before WCW/WWE. I am sure he owns that look. There is a good reason we haven't seen any surfer Sting figures from AEW now and that has to be that they do not have the right to make it.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Oct 20, 2023 16:20:38 GMT -5
I just know that Mattel frankensteined all the Sting figures. At the time, he was the one guy who was the biggest star to have never been released in a WWE line. While I'm grateful that we got Stings because he's my favorite of all time. I was incredibly disappointed with all the random part choices and inconsistencies between each figure. DM crow Sting is one of my favorite Mattel figures, but a few things just kind of left me scratching my head. For one, they didn't even get the boots right on the crow Sting figure. After all these years, you're telling me you're going to give a character whose look was somewhat consistent, but different throughout the years the same boots almost 20 something years apart? Early crow and modern crow Sting were different. Early crow Sting from '96-'98 had tall boots with three latches, no reason to give us stumpy mid sized boots. Modern Sting (throughout TNA and WWE) had midcut glossy boots similar to the ones they give Cody with buckles on the back. Sorry to rant, but damn we were so close. That Legends Sting was also a beaut man, UGH...
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Oct 20, 2023 16:55:18 GMT -5
If done correctly, Sting ultimates would absolutely rule.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Oct 20, 2023 17:43:34 GMT -5
I hope that in the future, legends don’t agree to exclusivity clauses and multiple companies can make figures of them
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Post by J-MANN on Oct 20, 2023 17:44:16 GMT -5
If done correctly, Sting ultimates would absolutely rule. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Oct 20, 2023 17:45:36 GMT -5
I am not sure of legalities, but after all this time, I would think that IF AEW/Jazwares had the right to make any version of Sting that they could, we would have seen more of these and more variety than we have. With all the hubbub over the lost Legends Crow Sting, they would have included that in their Luminaries collection if they could. There is a reason that one of the upcoming Stings is the Blade Runner version - which was before WCW/WWE. I am sure he owns that look. There is a good reason we haven't seen any surfer Sting figures from AEW now and that has to be that they do not have the right to make it. There have been Surfer Sting micro brawlers with AEW branding on them, it’s a Jazwares choice as far as I can tell. They don’t want any possibility of a lawsuit, so they just don’t pursue it |
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Post by PJ on Oct 20, 2023 18:23:58 GMT -5
I am fairly certain with Jakks the blue & orange Sting and the RSC American Sting from NJW were based off a certain time period that was outside of the WCW library the WWE purchased. I think rsctrevor told the story on here once about how they were able to do the American Sting exclusive, because it had to be from a certain period of Sting’s career. |
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 20, 2023 18:25:00 GMT -5
Yes, those are great options as well. I was thinking either the pink attire or the blue and white attire from Starrcade 92. But I was also trying to get three different looks from his three different eras; blonde surfer Sting, brown-haired surfer Sting, and Crow Sting. But, the real question is, what would be your Macho Man set??? That blue attire would be sweet as well. And is a want of mine.  Honestly I don’t know if I would have a Macho Man set. Because I have the pale purple trunks (DM WrestleMania III figure), and the actual WrestleMania III pink trunks from the Legends set. And the RSC Macho King figure. So those are my “top 3” Macho Man looks. And as far as Neon Cowboy hats with long tights go I would hope they do your favorite. That would be good enough for me as I know you would nail selecting the best ones. Yeah, that blue attire of Sting's from Starrcade 1992 has been a big want of mine for years. For Savage, I'd try to go a few different eras (trunks, macho king/neon cowboy, and WCW/NWO): WrestleMania 5, SNME 1990, and WCW Nitro 1998 after Spring Stampede 1998:       |
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 20, 2023 18:30:52 GMT -5
I get what you are saying but it doesn't really make sense; Sting owns the rights to these looks; They didn't automatically become property of WWE just because WWE owns the video footage that they are shown in. WWE has the right to air those shows at their leisure..... and Sting has the right to reprise those looks at his leisure. WWE didn't create these looks, Sting did.... the gray area may come in where - who DID design Sting's tights? A private seamstress? Would she own the IP on these tights/jackets? The Owen Hart situation is a little different - I think WWE has costume designers, and his "King of Harts" attires may very well have been created by WWE and no, AEW can't touch that. His name, his face, and any attires that weren't created by WWE (proven by the fact that he wore them before WWE) are what AEW is able to use. My buddy doesn't run a toy shop, but he does run a different kind of company and they are currently developing some merch utilizing Sting's original facepaint designs.... he has met with Sting and Sting indicated that he owns all of these likenesses. At least, the facepaint.... Also, when Sting was with TNA - JAKKS/TNA did release Surfer Sting action figures. But he played a character on a TV show. Everything that appears on WWE TV is their intellectual property. Jazwares can’t make a figure of a character that appeared on a TV show they don’t have the rights to. And Jakks made figures of Surfer Sting outside of WCW. The USA Sting is from NJPW. But what about Hogan, Macho, Flair, Bret, LOD, Demolition, etc.? They all had attires/looks that were on WWF/E TV, and they've all had figures and other memorabilia produced by other companies. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Oct 20, 2023 19:03:37 GMT -5
But he played a character on a TV show. Everything that appears on WWE TV is their intellectual property. Jazwares can’t make a figure of a character that appeared on a TV show they don’t have the rights to. And Jakks made figures of Surfer Sting outside of WCW. The USA Sting is from NJPW. But what about Hogan, Macho, Flair, Bret, LOD, Demolition, etc.? They all had attires/looks that were on WWF/E TV, and they've all had figures and other memorabilia produced by other companies. The new Legends of Lucha Libre Vampiro is going to have a WCW ICP head. Even if there’s some kind of infringement, I’m sure there’s ways to get around it. Especially, with Crow Sting. Jazwares could easily just give us singlet Sting which he did appear in AEW with his old man headscan. Then pack a longer haired ‘98 version head on the side. What about the Chella toys Sabu, is he from his ECW days? |
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Post by PJ on Oct 20, 2023 20:00:32 GMT -5
But he played a character on a TV show. Everything that appears on WWE TV is their intellectual property. Jazwares can’t make a figure of a character that appeared on a TV show they don’t have the rights to. And Jakks made figures of Surfer Sting outside of WCW. The USA Sting is from NJPW. But what about Hogan, Macho, Flair, Bret, LOD, Demolition, etc.? They all had attires/looks that were on WWF/E TV, and they've all had figures and other memorabilia produced by other companies. But were they in Mattel’s scales while Mattel has the WWE license? It could be like WB and DC various companies are making DC figures. Spin Masters has 3.75”, 5”, 9” (?) and 12” figures that are more kid friendly. Mezco has the one:12 highly detailed Collector’s line. McFarlane has 7” and 2.75” figures and Hot Toys has high end collectable figures. When Mattel had the Master line Neca tried to release the 7” DC vs Predator/Alien 2-Pack and were stopped and had to release them as Comic Con exclusives |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 20, 2023 20:04:26 GMT -5
But he played a character on a TV show. Everything that appears on WWE TV is their intellectual property. Jazwares can’t make a figure of a character that appeared on a TV show they don’t have the rights to. And Jakks made figures of Surfer Sting outside of WCW. The USA Sting is from NJPW. But what about Hogan, Macho, Flair, Bret, LOD, Demolition, etc.? They all had attires/looks that were on WWF/E TV, and they've all had figures and other memorabilia produced by other companies. Again I think it’s production numbers. Smaller quantities can fly under the radar. And I’m no expert on the matter. Just my deductions on what I’ve seen transpire over the last several years. |
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azraelms
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Post by azraelms on Oct 20, 2023 22:54:39 GMT -5
I am not sure of legalities, but after all this time, I would think that IF AEW/Jazwares had the right to make any version of Sting that they could, we would have seen more of these and more variety than we have. With all the hubbub over the lost Legends Crow Sting, they would have included that in their Luminaries collection if they could. There is a reason that one of the upcoming Stings is the Blade Runner version - which was before WCW/WWE. I am sure he owns that look. There is a good reason we haven't seen any surfer Sting figures from AEW now and that has to be that they do not have the right to make it. There have been Surfer Sting micro brawlers with AEW branding on them, it’s a Jazwares choice as far as I can tell. They don’t want any possibility of a lawsuit, so they just don’t pursue it That's my point, they most likely don't have the right - or at least are not sure if they have the right. I also suspect that micro brawlers count as a different size, so are under a different license type. Kind of like Star Wars has a ton of different companies making different size figures. Or DC. Like McFarlane makes 6 inch scale figures for DC, but Spin Masters can make the cheap 5 POA cheap 12" figures. Different license types. That may be in play with the Micro Brawler size line. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 20, 2023 23:34:54 GMT -5
If done correctly, Sting ultimates would absolutely rule. I'd be happy if we had updates of his 2 Defining Moments figures as Ultimate Editions... they're his 2 most iconic looks (IMO). A new GAB/USA Sting with new jacket (swappable arms) and new heads (including a post-match/worn face-pain one) would be 🔥. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Oct 21, 2023 0:25:19 GMT -5
There have been Surfer Sting micro brawlers with AEW branding on them, it’s a Jazwares choice as far as I can tell. They don’t want any possibility of a lawsuit, so they just don’t pursue it That's my point, they most likely don't have the right - or at least are not sure if they have the right. I also suspect that micro brawlers count as a different size, so are under a different license type. Kind of like Star Wars has a ton of different companies making different size figures. Or DC. Like McFarlane makes 6 inch scale figures for DC, but Spin Masters can make the cheap 5 POA cheap 12" figures. Different license types. That may be in play with the Micro Brawler size line. They have the right, they don’t want WWE suing them |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Oct 21, 2023 8:19:18 GMT -5
If done correctly, Sting ultimates would absolutely rule. I'd be happy if we had updates of his 2 Defining Moments figures as Ultimate Editions... they're his 2 most iconic looks (IMO). A new GAB/USA Sting with new jacket (swappable arms) and new heads (including a post-match/worn face-pain one) would be 🔥. Those would be my top wants redone. Hopefully they would utilize good parts for the figure. I don't think anyone wants a surfer Sting where it's a Triple H torso slapped on some skinny legs |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Oct 21, 2023 12:54:46 GMT -5
Shoot, if Sting gets some kind of Legends deal he needs to get some kind of special treatment. We’re talking about unique parts for him, different boots for different eras, two packs etc. I’d love to see a UE Sting and Hollywood Hogan to pay homage to the toybiz versions. First Sting I’d want is a ‘98 UE. I’d have the following.
Straight faced long haired scan past his shoulders, teeth gritting and screaming scan
Sculpted singlet shoulder pads (if you’re a Sting fan you’ll know, his WCW figures had it)
New bat mold (that wooden grain hunk of crap didn’t do it and looked out of scale with Mattels)
Pleather jacket
Wider torso
Tall accurate boots
I could go on 😅
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 21, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5
But what about Hogan, Macho, Flair, Bret, LOD, Demolition, etc.? They all had attires/looks that were on WWF/E TV, and they've all had figures and other memorabilia produced by other companies. But were they in Mattel’s scales while Mattel has the WWE license? It could be like WB and DC various companies are making DC figures. Spin Masters has 3.75”, 5”, 9” (?) and 12” figures that are more kid friendly. Mezco has the one:12 highly detailed Collector’s line. McFarlane has 7” and 2.75” figures and Hot Toys has high end collectable figures. When Mattel had the Master line Neca tried to release the 7” DC vs Predator/Alien 2-Pack and were stopped and had to release them as Comic Con exclusives That could be, but is that the actual reason? Or just more speculation? Are Jazwares and Mattel in the same scale? If so, tell Jazwares to make the Sting figures .1 inch bigger... There, they're not the same scale, so they should be able to make Sting in any attire. Just seems odd that some guys can make/sell items in attires they wore in the WWF/WCW/AWA/ECW, etc., but others can't. Did Sting sell the rights to his likeness to the WWE when he signed years ago? Seems odd that Sting wouldn't fall in that same category with those who owned their own likeness/name. He didn't sign with the WWE until he was pretty much retired, working everywhere under the Sting name, and he worked with companies previously that did trademark names and likenesses for their wrestlers like Vince did. |
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 21, 2023 13:45:55 GMT -5
I'd be happy if we had updates of his 2 Defining Moments figures as Ultimate Editions... they're his 2 most iconic looks (IMO). A new GAB/USA Sting with new jacket (swappable arms) and new heads (including a post-match/worn face-pain one) would be 🔥. Those would be my top wants redone. Hopefully they would utilize good parts for the figure. I don't think anyone wants a surfer Sting where it's a Triple H torso slapped on some skinny legs Mattel does... |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Oct 21, 2023 13:49:00 GMT -5
Those would be my top wants redone. Hopefully they would utilize good parts for the figure. I don't think anyone wants a surfer Sting where it's a Triple H torso slapped on some skinny legs Mattel does... They also like slapping Triple H torsos on Kurt and Eddie too. It's frustrating |
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