YeehawMan
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 17, 2023 13:01:47 GMT -5
With WWE holding the copyright to people looks from WWF, WWE, WCW, ECW etc and Jazwares obviously not being able to release figs of wrestlers from any events from those companies, is the Terry Funk Retirement show from 1997 that was featured on Beyond the Mat, the loophole Jazwares can use to get ECW guys made
On that show it featured Taz, Chris Candido, Balls Mahoney, Sandman, Dreamer, Beulah McGillicutty, RVD, Sabu, Hakushi, Hayabusa, Masato Tanaka and Terry Funk
Was this show considered an independent show that Jazwares can use to get figs made of these ECW guys and also could the Brian Pillman Memorial Show be something else they can use to get WWF, ECW and WCW guys made?
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 17, 2023 14:14:45 GMT -5
ECW produced it. WWE owns it.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 17, 2023 14:34:37 GMT -5
The toy companies aren't licensing the rights to appearances based on shows, they're licensing the rights to likenesses, characters, and IP.
But no, Terry Funk's WrestleFest was an ECW produced event.
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Jan 17, 2023 18:19:45 GMT -5
Tell me you don’t understand copyrights without telling me lol.
If there was this said loophole, it would have been done by now.
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Post by HeelPiper on Jan 17, 2023 18:54:05 GMT -5
How can WWE own the likeness rights to an IP they don't own? If they don't own the Taz or Owen Hart names, and nothing they have copyrighted on a pair of tights, what's the issue?
I feel like Jazwares just plays it EXTRA safe. Every other smaller company goes with iconic ring gear, even micro brawler.
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Post by stc13 on Jan 17, 2023 19:00:09 GMT -5
How can WWE own the likeness rights to an IP they don't own? If they don't own the Taz or Owen Hart names, and nothing they have copyrighted on a pair of tights, what's the issue? I feel like Jazwares just plays it EXTRA safe. Every other smaller company goes with iconic ring gear, even micro brawler. This. It has nothing to do with what's legal or not. Jazwares clearly doesn't want to invite anything that could lead to a draw out legal issue. They probably looked at the potential costs and projected value and decided it's better to play it down the middle. It's certainly not the most appeasing option to collectors. But it seems pretty clear that's the direction they've decided on. |
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 17, 2023 19:34:46 GMT -5
Tell me you don’t understand copyrights without telling me lol. If there was this said loophole, it would have been done by now. TNA was able to get a WCW surfer Sting made by using his NJPW appearance |
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Jan 17, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -5
Tell me you don’t understand copyrights without telling me lol. If there was this said loophole, it would have been done by now. TNA was able to get a WCW surfer Sting made by using his NJPW appearance Fairly certain sting owns his name and likeness which is why wwe no longer produces sting merch since he is no longer under contract to them…try again? Its going to vary by talent but for the most part wwe owns most of the market is some way shape or form beyond what any of us know or see |
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 17, 2023 20:16:55 GMT -5
TNA was able to get a WCW surfer Sting made by using his NJPW appearance Fairly certain sting owns his name and likeness which is why wwe no longer produces sting merch since he is no longer under contract to them…try again? Its going to vary by talent but for the most part wwe owns most of the market is some way shape or form beyond what any of us know or see Of all the gear that Sting wore in WCW, they conveniently chose a gear that he wore in NJPW, they would’ve gone with one of Stings most well known gear in WCW if they were able to, instead they went with an orange and blue gear that people don’t remember, also his micro brawler is him wearing the exact same gear |
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Post by slappy on Jan 17, 2023 21:14:45 GMT -5
I don't see how WWE can own the rights to what someone wore if they aren't under contract.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 17, 2023 21:43:01 GMT -5
I don't see how WWE can own the rights to what someone wore if they aren't under contract. They don’t. But there is the implication that because it was their image on a WWE show that AEW would be using WWE footage to promote their figures. It’s a bunch of legal “what if” jargon, but AEW and Jazwares simply don’t want to give WWE the chance to have a reason to sue, regardless of whether they own anything or not. Lawsuits cost a ton of time and money even if there’s no wrongdoing it’s still annoying to get it thrown out, and they’d have to halt production |
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 17, 2023 22:28:23 GMT -5
I don't see how WWE can own the rights to what someone wore if they aren't under contract. If that were the case we would’ve gotten a king of hearts Owen Hart instead of a NJPW/Stampede one. They probably should’ve tested the waters with the Owen figure because WWE would look god awful going after a figure that’s going towards charity |
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Post by crush on Jan 18, 2023 13:56:33 GMT -5
I don't see how WWE can own the rights to what someone wore if they aren't under contract. It's not so much owning the right to the person as it is IP. If Jazwares were to make someone in gear and appearance that they only used while in WWE or in footage WWE now owns (King of Harts Owen, WCW Jericho, whoever) WWE could claim that Jazwares are attempting to use their IP (the look that only appeared in WWE-owned content) to sell their product. Would WWE win the case? Debatable. That said, the long, drawn out legal battle and costs associated are likely not worth it for Jazwares, especially when they have other options to get figures out (Stampede Owens, Mexico Jericho). Interestingly, we just saw Mattel do something similar with AJ. |
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Post by stc13 on Jan 18, 2023 14:06:16 GMT -5
I don't see how WWE can own the rights to what someone wore if they aren't under contract. It's not so much owning the right to the person as it is IP. If Jazwares were to make someone in gear and appearance that they only used while in WWE or in footage WWE now owns (King of Harts Owen, WCW Jericho, whoever) WWE could claim that Jazwares are attempting to use their IP (the look that only appeared in WWE-owned content) to sell their product. Would WWE win the case? Debatable. That said, the long, drawn out legal battle and costs associated are likely not worth it for Jazwares, especially when they have other options to get figures out (Stampede Owens, Mexico Jericho). Interestingly, we just saw Mattel do something similar with AJ. Just to draw this out a little more - a company like Jazwares is investing a lot of resources into a figure. Sculpting time, samples back and forth to the factory, production costs. Then those products are being packed in cases alongside other figures. Even if they have a really, really strong legal case and win, the potential to have a court injunction in the interim could freeze shipments, require them to pull one figure from the assortment, or any other number of scenarios that have a significant financial impact. And as both WWE's and Mattel's biggest competitor, Jazwares is a lot more likely to invite that kind of attention than something like Micro Brawlers or some of the niche lines being released. It's not just about what is or isn't legal, or who does or doesn't own IP. Jazwares did a cost/benefit analysis and decided that it was more profitable to sail as far away from WWE as they could. Other companies may have different risk tolerances or cost/benefit factors. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 18, 2023 14:46:38 GMT -5
Jazwares already has a loophole and it’s called Ring of Honor, anything beyond that and you’re pushing your luck
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 19, 2023 3:12:43 GMT -5
How can Chella toys make Al Snow in his WWF attire with the J.O.B squad shirt, B.W.O from ECW and the original Gangrel look if the WWE owns those copyrights? I also noticed Hasttel toys have made the WWE look of the Godfather but have called him "Smoke Train Charles Wright" due to the WWE owing the Godfather copyright. If these campanies can make them so could Jazwares perhaps, or is it because Jazwares is a much bigger company with the AEW license?
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Post by Scott! on Jan 19, 2023 19:44:27 GMT -5
How can Chella toys make Al Snow in his WWF attire with the J.O.B squad shirt, B.W.O from ECW and the original Gangrel look if the WWE owns those copyrights? I also noticed Hasttel toys have made the WWE look of the Godfather but have called him "Smoke Train Charles Wright" due to the WWE owing the Godfather copyright. If these campanies can make them so could Jazwares perhaps, or is it because Jazwares is a much bigger company with the AEW license? See, this I don't understand. Your point is incredibly accurate, how can Chella, ZST, Hasttel Toys do it but AEW can't (in regards to the looks of the figures they're making). There must be something stopping it, or maybe Jazwares just don't want to take the chance. If it's gonna cost them more on a legal bill than they would make on the actual figure, then I understand that. These small companies doing it and not a word being said or any questions being asked, you have to wonder what the reason is. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 19, 2023 20:09:19 GMT -5
How can Chella toys make Al Snow in his WWF attire with the J.O.B squad shirt, B.W.O from ECW and the original Gangrel look if the WWE owns those copyrights? I also noticed Hasttel toys have made the WWE look of the Godfather but have called him "Smoke Train Charles Wright" due to the WWE owing the Godfather copyright. If these campanies can make them so could Jazwares perhaps, or is it because Jazwares is a much bigger company with the AEW license? See, this I don't understand. Your point is incredibly accurate, how can Chella, ZST, Hasttel Toys do it but AEW can't (in regards to the looks of the figures they're making). There must be something stopping it, or maybe Jazwares just don't want to take the chance. If it's gonna cost them more on a legal bill than they would make on the actual figure, then I understand that. These small companies doing it and not a word being said or any questions being asked, you have to wonder what the reason is. I just hope someone from Jazwares can clarify this as to why other small companies can do the WWFE attires but Jazwares can't or won't. |
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 20, 2023 7:08:20 GMT -5
See, this I don't understand. Your point is incredibly accurate, how can Chella, ZST, Hasttel Toys do it but AEW can't (in regards to the looks of the figures they're making). There must be something stopping it, or maybe Jazwares just don't want to take the chance. If it's gonna cost them more on a legal bill than they would make on the actual figure, then I understand that. These small companies doing it and not a word being said or any questions being asked, you have to wonder what the reason is. I just hope someone from Jazwares can clarify this as to why other small companies can do the WWFE attires but Jazwares can't or won't. If WWE didn’t want these smaller companies to make figs of WWE/WCW/ECW guys all it would take is a cease and desist letter and they would all be shut down, it’s either something we don’t know on Jazwares part or incompetence |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 20, 2023 7:21:40 GMT -5
I just hope someone from Jazwares can clarify this as to why other small companies can do the WWFE attires but Jazwares can't or won't. If WWE didn’t want these smaller companies to make figs of WWE/WCW/ECW guys all it would take is a cease and desist letter and they would all be shut down, it’s either something we don’t know on Jazwares part or incompetence Very true, let's hope someone can ask the Jazwares team regarding this. |
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I dont know good luck 
