The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 25, 2023 7:04:51 GMT -5
From what I have heard, they will be the same scale…but who knows. no idea about the credibility of this claim, but someone claimed that Mattel would issue a cease and desist for anyone making an Elite scale figure, claiming that they had copyright on that size/scale
meanwhile, AEW figures are just shorter versions of the same figure, but because they're shorter they're exempt so if this is true, I think these would be AEW sized rather than Elite sized
If you're referring to the Chella thread. The cease and desist wasn't because of the size/scale, it's because Chella were using identical parts to Mattel. |
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jan 25, 2023 7:23:16 GMT -5
no idea about the credibility of this claim, but someone claimed that Mattel would issue a cease and desist for anyone making an Elite scale figure, claiming that they had copyright on that size/scale
meanwhile, AEW figures are just shorter versions of the same figure, but because they're shorter they're exempt so if this is true, I think these would be AEW sized rather than Elite sized
If you're referring to the Chella thread. The cease and desist wasn't because of the size/scale, it's because Chella were using identical parts to Mattel. I thought someone was separately claiming that Mattel "owned" the Elite scale sizing, and that AEW figures were just outside of that copyright so they were ok?
I know Chella's initial design was basically a clone of the Elite body, but I'm sure someone (could have been in an FB group in all honesty, I've forgotten where I read it) was trying to claim that the sizes are considered IP now, rather than the identity/character themselves
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 25, 2023 7:24:04 GMT -5
From what I have heard, they will be the same scale…but who knows. no idea about the credibility of this claim, but someone claimed that Mattel would issue a cease and desist for anyone making an Elite scale figure, claiming that they had copyright on that size/scale
meanwhile, AEW figures are just shorter versions of the same figure, but because they're shorter they're exempt so if this is true, I think these would be AEW sized rather than Elite sized
That isn’t legal in any way. They can try and take it to court and try to claim whatever company is trying to steal their designs within the same market but it wouldn’t get very far. You are familiar with Jazwares, correct? They are virtually the same scale as Mattel figures. |
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Post by oldschoolfool on Jan 25, 2023 7:48:17 GMT -5
no idea about the credibility of this claim, but someone claimed that Mattel would issue a cease and desist for anyone making an Elite scale figure, claiming that they had copyright on that size/scale
meanwhile, AEW figures are just shorter versions of the same figure, but because they're shorter they're exempt so if this is true, I think these would be AEW sized rather than Elite sized
If you're referring to the Chella thread. The cease and desist wasn't because of the size/scale, it's because Chella were using identical parts to Mattel. Yeah, pretty sure that was me who said that. Though what i said was Mattel COULD hit chella with a c&d for using their assets. Since its pretty apparent they scanned an elite figure and altered it in zbrush to create and sell their own figure. Of course, most likely scenario, is that Mattel wont pursue any kind of action. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 25, 2023 8:11:14 GMT -5
no idea about the credibility of this claim, but someone claimed that Mattel would issue a cease and desist for anyone making an Elite scale figure, claiming that they had copyright on that size/scale
meanwhile, AEW figures are just shorter versions of the same figure, but because they're shorter they're exempt so if this is true, I think these would be AEW sized rather than Elite sized
That isn’t legal in any way. They can try and take it to court and try to claim whatever company is trying to steal their designs within the same market but it wouldn’t get very far. You are familiar with Jazwares, correct? They are virtually the same scale as Mattel figures. What mattel could have is a design patent Essentially it covers the design, way the articulation works etc. from all the stuff I’ve seen and read they’re pretty much pointless though because the smallest change to the design invalidates the patent So essentially someone could make an elite with a very slightly different ab crunch, thigh swivel, joint, shoulder rotation etc and it would be totally fine Best example of this is in the guitar world where you see literally thousands of strat, tele, les Paul, SG etc copies with a virtually (sometimes totally) identical body but a different shape headstock meaning it bypasses any design patent. 99% of beginner guitars are strat copies for this reason. Tooling already made and super quick and easy to pump them out |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 25, 2023 10:21:53 GMT -5
Pillman seems like an odd choice, considering Mattel has made Pillman figures. Really thought it would be guys that Mattel or AEW won’t make. TBF, a street clothes loose cannon has never been made by any company except a Micro Brawler and it's arguably the most definitive overall look Pillman's ever had, especially if he can do the shirt. Yeah when I think of WWF Pillman I only picture street clothes. I know he wrestled a handful of matches but nothing really stands out over him in jeans, t-shirt, and vest. |
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 25, 2023 12:23:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure Hasbro would LOVE to see Mattel try and lay claims to a certain figure height lol.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 25, 2023 13:44:02 GMT -5
Pretty sure Hasbro would LOVE to see Mattel try and lay claims to a certain figure height lol. I’m sure Steve said mattel did speak to hasbro, probably just a matter of professional courtesy along the lines of “we’re making a line with inspiration from your wwf line 30 years ago” type thing |
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Post by HeelPiper on Jan 25, 2023 22:54:32 GMT -5
TBF, a street clothes loose cannon has never been made by any company except a Micro Brawler and it's arguably the most definitive overall look Pillman's ever had, especially if he can do the shirt. Yeah when I think of WWF Pillman I only picture street clothes. I know he wrestled a handful of matches but nothing really stands out over him in jeans, t-shirt, and vest. Poor guy was washed in 1996-97, that accident really stole his prime. |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 26, 2023 6:53:50 GMT -5
Really pumped for the Pillman. Guessing it's Cyberslam '96? It'd be nice if they did a chase variant in black jeans for his KOTR '96 look or included a removable Brian F'n Pillman t-shirt, since he wore that in both ECW and WWF.
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Feb 2, 2023 21:08:00 GMT -5
Here's some fun info since we're talking about Mattel and whether or not you can legally own a figure scale...
In the 1980s, Mattel's biggest boy toy brand by far was Masters of the Universe. The distinct 5.5" muscular figures in squat poses started to get copied by smaller companies cashing in on He-Man's success, and Mattel attempted to stamp them out. I believe it actually went to court, where a judge ruled that Mattel could not claim exclusive ability to make toys in the general proportions they had created for MotU. The ruling opened the floodgates for even more companies who started to produce their own figures and lines in the 5.5" scale and replicating the He-Man form factor. They weren't stealing the sculpts, they were making their own that looked similar, would fit right in with He-Man. (And to tie this back to wrestling: one of the companies copying Mattel was Remco, who would use this form factor for their AWA wrestling figures.)
So if you think it sounds preposterous that Mattel would claim no other company could make wrestling figures in the same scale as their WWE line... you are correct, but also they really did try something similar before.
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Post by captncharisma19 on Feb 5, 2023 8:25:38 GMT -5
I don't collect retros so I don't follow Zombie Sailor. Why the hate from folks other than delays?
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Post by The Real Chillary on Feb 5, 2023 8:52:07 GMT -5
I don't collect retros so I don't follow Zombie Sailor. Why the hate from folks other than delays? He regularly shits on his contemporaries, ridiculing their approach to making figures touting himself as the flag bearer, despite being just a dealer before getting in on the Retro craze. He has threatened to sue other companies for even considering mentioning signing guys he has already signed. He can't take critiscm, and regularly blocks anyone who has a differing opinion against him. He was banned from this forum for childishly insulting members who didn't suck up to him. He outright swore off dealing with anyone from England because of shipping. Going as far to cancel orders from the US if he knew they were going to send them to the UK. He's an outright dickhead. |
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Post by captncharisma19 on Feb 5, 2023 9:56:15 GMT -5
I don't collect retros so I don't follow Zombie Sailor. Why the hate from folks other than delays? He regularly craps on his contemporaries, ridiculing their approach to making figures touting himself as the flag bearer, despite being just a dealer before getting in on the Retro craze. He has threatened to sue other companies for even considering mentioning signing guys he has already signed. He can't take critiscm, and regularly blocks anyone who has a differing opinion against him. He was banned from this forum for childishly insulting members who didn't suck up to him. He outright swore off dealing with anyone from England because of shipping. Going as far to cancel orders from the US if he knew they were going to send them to the UK. He's an outright dickhead. fair enough, sounds pretty bad! Gross...but gimme that elite style Pillman! 😞 |
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Post by raylancrowder on Feb 5, 2023 10:12:14 GMT -5
The otherbrands forum is overwhelmingly populated by people from the UK. Once he said he wouldn't post them here because of the new UK tax laws, people got irate. He shot back with disparaging remarks, and people enjoy taking pot shots since.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Feb 5, 2023 10:33:42 GMT -5
He regularly craps on his contemporaries, ridiculing their approach to making figures touting himself as the flag bearer, despite being just a dealer before getting in on the Retro craze. He has threatened to sue other companies for even considering mentioning signing guys he has already signed. He can't take critiscm, and regularly blocks anyone who has a differing opinion against him. He was banned from this forum for childishly insulting members who didn't suck up to him. He outright swore off dealing with anyone from England because of shipping. Going as far to cancel orders from the US if he knew they were going to send them to the UK. He's an outright dickhead. fair enough, sounds pretty bad! Gross...but gimme that elite style Pillman! 😞 Yea this isn’t a case of the internet just routing for someone to fail, he has been a complete A$$hope to his contemporaries and consumers. He also had lied about production numbers, pre orders etc. just a scumbag. |
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Post by britishbrickfan on Feb 6, 2023 3:04:01 GMT -5
The otherbrands forum is overwhelmingly populated by people from the UK. Once he said he wouldn't post them here because of the new UK tax laws, people got irate. He shot back with disparaging remarks, and people enjoy taking pot shots since. it wasn't the tax laws that turned the UK/EU customer base against him, it was his attitude in general that makes people not want to pay money for his product
if a US-based business wants to only sell to a domestic market, that's fine. no-one in the UK or anywhere else in the world has any "right" to buy his products, though limiting your options to your own country isn't a great long-term business model for growth, but what would consumers know?
meanwhile, his attitude to any form of criticism is that of a toddler who was never told "No!" - he spent months hyping his new figure line as "premium quality" and made people believe that his figures would fit right in with the original Hasbro line, yet of his first 5 figures, only 2 managed to hit the mark (Cardona and Dino)
he made a "premium quality" figure for legendary referee Earl Hebner that looks nothing like Earl Hebner, he made a "premium quality" figure for Myers and the factory painted the teeth using Tippex and he made a "premium quality" Sabu that can't even stand unaided.
then he released a further batch of "premium quality" figures - a Sabu repaint which again can't stand up (no effort to rectify a major fail, just a simple repaint of excess stock) as well as the long-awaited Orange Card Jeff Jarrett design (a cancelled Hasbro) that looks more like Alundra Blayze and finally Danhausen, which took over a year to produce and the decals are peeling right out of the packaging. to think he's charging $50 a figure, and you eventually receive such poor quality goods is laughable.
but yeah... people are taking pot shots because he said he wouldn't sell his products to the UK, then days later announced he would sell his products to the UK. the guy lives in his own hype, and he can't deliver to the level of expectation he's setting. his 6" line is going to be much higher than $50 per figure, and if he can't deliver on the small scale, how is he going to manage to deliver better quality on a larger scale? I don't know many who will take such a risk based on the evidence to date
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Post by g4 on Feb 6, 2023 22:56:27 GMT -5
+1
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Post by azraelms on Feb 7, 2023 1:04:13 GMT -5
So dumb question - is this just one guy making these? Not a company but one guy?
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Post by britishbrickfan on Feb 7, 2023 3:36:22 GMT -5
So dumb question - is this just one guy making these? Not a company but one guy? it's one guy's business, but the actual manufacturing is done through a factory in China
seemingly though, once the shipment of figures arrives at his warehouse in the US, it's just a couple of people doing the packing/distribution so it's not a massive operation (despite what he hypes it up to be) but this is really just an upmarket version of custom figures - its not Super7 or anything like that
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