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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 9:10:51 GMT -5
Why are people so obsessed with ratings? Because if a TV show keeps drawing low numbers, no TV station is going to want to carry it. This is common knowledge. But as long as someone gets their weekly bAnGeRz, I guess they should be happy and move on to Corncob TV where the bAnGeRz will eventually wind up.
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Post by cableV on Jun 22, 2024 9:47:39 GMT -5
Everyone just calm down. The real Trios Champions will be back next week and the ratings will recover. I would even bet that the ratings will be better than normal due to all the online chatter. And TK, sign whatever deal WBD puts in front of you.
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Post by J-MANN on Jun 22, 2024 9:53:57 GMT -5
Everyone just calm down. The real Trios Champions will be back next week and the ratings will recover. @le Back to the CodyverseYou hear that boys? Sounds like we’re booked for Dynamite this week!
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jun 22, 2024 10:10:34 GMT -5
Everyone just calm down. The real Trios Champions will be back next week and the ratings will recover. @le Back to the CodyverseYou hear that boys? Sounds like we’re booked for Dynamite this week! Demo gods
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Post by jk1979nc on Jun 22, 2024 10:31:04 GMT -5
Their best group is the Blackpool Combat Club anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 10:46:07 GMT -5
Everyone just calm down. The real Trios Champions will be back next week and the ratings will recover. @le Back to the CodyverseYou hear that boys? Sounds like we’re booked for Dynamite this week! Oh HELL YEAH I'm gonna look so jacked for you guys.
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Post by J-MANN on Jun 22, 2024 10:49:13 GMT -5
Oh HELL YEAH I'm gonna look so jacked for you guys.
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Post by bWo on Jun 22, 2024 10:49:20 GMT -5
AEW isn't just going to create a bunch of new wrestling fans. The only way their numbers increase is if WWE fans decide to watch something other than their beloved company, and the overwhelming vast majority of them simply WILL NOT do that. They will not cheat on their lover. The biggest and most undeniable piece of evidence we saw for that was CM Punk's return. WWE fans cheered him and chanted his name for years and years and years after he was gone. All they wanted was to see CM Punk again. And then when he finally came back, only a few hundred thousand turned on AEW to see him. That was it. All those WWE fans didn't want CM Punk to return to wrestling, they wanted CM Punk to return to WWE. That's all they care about. That's all they will watch. There is no needle mover. There is no magical solution. AEW could bring in Shawn Michaels and HHH to run the company and WWE fans would consider them traitors and not watch AEW. We've seen it over and over with talent that has left or been fired from WWE and gone to AEW. Everyone loved Edge, until he went to AEW and became Adam Copeland. Then those same people who loved him found all kinds of reason to dislike him. At the very least, WWE fans would give Ricochet some respect. Now that the rumour is he's going to AEW he's just a "flippy guy." Cody Rhodes was a HHH wannabe in AEW............. But as soon as he went back to WWE he became the WWE universe's darling hero. None of that has ANYTHING to do with booking, storytelling or wrestling styles, and everything to do with the wrestling umbrella those people are under. CM Punk is all the evidence you need. Where were ALL OF THOSE FANS when he was in AEW? They didn't care and they were never going to care. Think of all the ex WWE mega stars who were in TNA. How'd that work out? It didn't because WWE fans refuse to change the channel. It's been like this ever since the Attitude era when WWE heavily pushed the "us vs them" mentality. When AEW started the first thing WWE did was move NXT to Wednesday to try to squash them. The us vs them mentality was alive and well and that's what WWE wanted. The majority of the fans have bought into and that's where we stand. I'm 43. I watch both shows. Both have their ups and both have their downs. As a wrestling fan both have something to offer. Unless more people see it that way AEW is never going to grow. There are very few "wrestling fans" compared to WWE fans, and WWE fans won't let go of the "us vs them" mentality. I'll end this with MJF. He was AEW's brightest star. When he was teasing going to WWE, WWE fans praised him to death. They wanted him so badly they could taste it. Now that he has signed with AEW and put the rumours to bed, suddenly those same people who wanted him are saying he's not a draw and he's not that good................ If he breached his contract today and signed with WWE tomorrow those same people would be saying he's a huge star all over again. Fact. I think WWE fans are the reason why AEW ever had good ratings to begin with. 2019-2022 WWE was unwatchable. Lot's of WWE fans started watching AEW. Then in July 2022 when Triple H took over and WWE started getting good again, people started going back to WWE. At that same time AEW did the first forbidden door and while VERY TALENTED wrestlers having really great matches, these obscure NJPW and CMLL guys just don't appeal to the main stream/casual fan.Agreed. It was a select number of WWE fans who were willing to give AEW a try. If more of them had that tendency I think the numbers would be better today. I don't know what people do with their lives. There may only be a specific number of "available wrestling hours" in a person's week. That may play a role in how much wrestling people are willing to watch. The SmackDown and Raw ratings are always vastly different so that might actually be the case. I 100% agree with your NJPW and CMLL point. I can't stand it. I just flat out don't know who these people are and have never gotten excited for it. I believe that AEW needs to go back to the model which got them success early....Dynamite used to be like a free PPV every Wednesday. We were getting MASSIVE dream matches. Now, every match is a upper card talent vs a lower card talent in a match where the winner is a foregone conclusion. MJF vs RUSH was probably better than any match WWE did all week, but people saw RUSH and said "this match doesn't excite me because we already know MJF is winning". I believe Tony probably panicked due to bad ratings and brought MJF back early before Adam Cole was medically cleared. MJF's first match back should have been against Adam Cole. The RUSH thing made no sense from the get go. That would be like WWE holding Roman Reigns out for 6 months and bringing him back to have his first match be against Carlito.
Even a lot of those dream matches lacked story though. "I'm better than you" can only be used so many times before it becomes stale. I was interested in the Rush/MJF match because of Rush's tendency to not sell for his opponent. To me having him wrestle MJF made no sense. It was a 15 minute match and Rush dominated for 12 of them. That doesn't help make MJF look like the star he is. And it doesn't help Rush because they never do anything with him. And yes MJF's first match back should have been against Adam Cole. To further your Reigns point, it would be like Cody putting him on the shelf for 6 months and his first match back is against Carlito. I know lots of AEW fans scoff at the concept with their "who cares about storylines", but it wouldn't hurt if AEW had some better storylines. It seems like every Dynamite is just matches that were thrown together with a random match generator and they are relying on the quality of the matches to pull in the viewers. WWE is proof that mediocre and bad matches will draw better than good ones with names that nobody cares about. Like most blockbuster movies; tickets get sold based on the quality of the CAST. Movies cast big name actors because that gets people in the theaters.
You get a movie like John Wick where the stupid story is based around a dead dog, and then the movie is 100% balls to the wall action. The John Wick sequels weren't based on, this time time you killed my cat, and then my hamster..... etc. The had some story. You can have zero story and all action from time to time, but not always. A movie like The Matrix had a great balance of both. Wrestling needs that. Tony fails in every way conceivable to bring that to the table. If they had to bring MJF back before Cole they could have written it that Cole was a BIG CHALLENGE and MJF was going to prepare for the match by getting himself back in wrestling shape by having weekly/bi weekly matches until Cole is back. Cole is the heel who could claim he doesn't need to the prep and can beat MJF any time. Instead they just had Rush come out challenge MJF for no apparent reason. Made no sense. Basically it boils down to not a lot of people are going to watch random matches for the sake of random matches. The majority of fans want to see characters that they are emotionally connected to in a match that it matters to them who wins and who loses. Two guys I don't know having a match where no reason or explanation as to why they are fighting, and nothing will change regardless of who wins or loses, isn't an effective business model.When Vince was at the helm you were guaranteed 6 matches with storylines every Raw with 4 of them ending in a DQ/ref bump/distraction or some kind of shenanigans. That shouldn't have been an effective business model either, but 1.2 to 1.5 million fans were willing to put up with it ever week. It was complete and utter trash. I was one of those people watching. I was willing to watch AEW and accept the lack of story in favor of banger matches with finishes. I wish more WWE fans were willing to as well. And as has been said,...the Big Bang Theory situation. Clearly that has been inflating AEW's numbers. It's like they have to take a dump once Big Big Bang Theory is over and 200k viewers disappear within 15 minutes once those people get back from the bathroom and change the channel.
I'm not totally on board with "The Big Bang Theory" theory. Some weeks the first quarter is 800 thousand and some weeks it's over a million. When wrestling was at it's peak the opener was always Steve Austin, DX or The Rock opening the show to talk about whatever hot angle they were involved in. As you said though, there's never a hot angle for someone to come out and talk about. If they got into a regular routine of having people know the opener was going to be "must see" to know what's going with the biggest story I think the number would level out. In conclusion: AEW must start booking matches that have STAR VS STAR, even if the QUALITY OF THE MATCHES GOES DOWN, and AEW must start to write actual storylines to explain why the characters are doing what they are doing.
I agree except for the STAR vs STAR concept. At least not all the time. I still think you need squash matches to make stars look like monsters. That's a problem they have. Mid carders seemingly ALWAYS have 50/50 matches with main eventers. Tony is afraid to have anyone look weak even when it makes perfect sense for that person to look weak.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jun 22, 2024 12:05:48 GMT -5
WWE fans being blamed for AEW woes is my favorite excuse. AEW peaked in 2021. Punk exposed the company and Tony picked a side. That side isn't paying off. It's his company and money and book. If people are't paying to see the show live or watch on TV then that's on Tony Khan, not WWE fans. The culture of AEW Fandom is blame anyone but Tony or the evps. It's either WWE fans, old has been wrestlers or Podcasters. The inability to look in the mirror. Break the rules. Light the fuse.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Jun 22, 2024 19:47:52 GMT -5
I can’t find the quarter hours for Wednesday
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jun 23, 2024 17:57:02 GMT -5
They gotta step it up
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 24, 2024 2:38:53 GMT -5
bWo Do you watch TNA,NJPW,ROH,NXT or any of the Indy products every week? If not,why? I'm guessing they don't interest you will be the answer or just don't have the time. So should everyone blame you if those companies starts getting worse ratings,attendance, buzz,etc,etc? I'm at a loss why anyone would possibly blame fans of another company on the reason that company is suffering🤷🏼♂️ I agree completely WWE has dumb@$$ fans too that runs AEW down for fun on a daily basis but you acted like it was all on the WWE fans that has the us vs them mind set. As a big fan of both companies, trust me I wish all this stuff would end. I guarantee most everyone on these boards have been made fun of more then once because being a wrestling fan but then almost everyday you see people come up with different dumb insults thrown at other wrestling fans because they don't enjoy the same exact things they do🙄 Almost every time a ex WWE guy or girl came in they were throwing jabs towards WWE early on,hell that was pretty much Brodie's whole character and how many times has TK threw his own jabs that way on Twitter? I'm thinking they threw NXT on Wednesday because they were trying to do what they thought was best for their company. Why do you think they shouldn't do everything they can to make their company the number one wrestling company? You do get some wrestlers do better/better suited in certain companies? I think most would agree Cody is definitely one of them with WWE,that's one of the reasons he's at the top of the sport now just like Toni Storm,Mox,Swerve and Christian to name a few are doing a lot better in AEW then they was in WWE. If they didn't push Cody,all we would've heard that's what he gets for being a traitor and they knew he was gonna be Stardust again within a year but since they did push him now we get these stupid arguments every time his name comes up. That's what you call a no win situation. You mentioned how WWE fans are already running down Ricochet because he left but its plenty of that same stuff with AEW fans too. Just look no farther then Black and Buddy,Black was a future world champ most was saying but now he wants out,they saying he's nothing and King is the only bright spot of the HoB until he decides to go and he'll be nothing too for most,that's just how it is with a lot of fans. It goes both ways, I so wish it didn't but I don't think you're paying enough attention if you don't think AEW fans does the same.
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Post by switchbladeera on Jun 24, 2024 14:26:49 GMT -5
I just got rid of my warning bar I'm staying out of this one 🤣.
I did enjoy last week's more than I expected. Overall I've been finding the week to week stuff a lot more skippable. Big shows still deliver though. Not a huge deal to me tbh, growing up I never watched week to week wrestling even in the height of the attitude era, I just constantly rewatched PPVs. Looking forward to the Owen matches though, love me a tournament.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 25, 2024 3:29:40 GMT -5
I just got rid of my warning bar I'm staying out of this one 🤣. I did enjoy last week's more than I expected. Overall I've been finding the week to week stuff a lot more skippable. Big shows still deliver though. Not a huge deal to me tbh, growing up I never watched week to week wrestling even in the height of the attitude era, I just constantly rewatched PPVs. Looking forward to the Owen matches though, love me a tournament. I respect your opinions about wrestling as much as anybody on here,especially on the AEW side but can you please tell me what I said that was that wrong? And remember, look who you're agreeing with lol
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Post by switchbladeera on Jun 25, 2024 9:15:05 GMT -5
I just got rid of my warning bar I'm staying out of this one 🤣. I did enjoy last week's more than I expected. Overall I've been finding the week to week stuff a lot more skippable. Big shows still deliver though. Not a huge deal to me tbh, growing up I never watched week to week wrestling even in the height of the attitude era, I just constantly rewatched PPVs. Looking forward to the Owen matches though, love me a tournament. I respect your opinions about wrestling as much as anybody on here,especially on the AEW side but can you please tell me what I said that was that wrong? And remember, look who you're agreeing with lol I just meant I'm staying out of it in general, wasn't targeted at your response at all! Yours just happened to be the most recent one before I posted. Apologies that it read like it was just about yours
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Post by jk1979nc on Jun 26, 2024 15:03:52 GMT -5
They need to put some bigger guys on this show. Jon Moxley is a great champion. Big Bill is doing The Learning Tree stuff. Powerhouse Hobbs and Miro should be on TV Wednesday nights.
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Post by switchbladeera on Jun 26, 2024 15:10:16 GMT -5
They need to put some bigger guys on this show. Jon Moxley is a great champion. Big Bill is doing The Learning Tree stuff. Powerhouse Hobbs and Miro should be on TV Wednesday nights. Hobbs is hurt. Had surgery recently
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Post by X-27 on Jun 26, 2024 15:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by switchbladeera on Jun 26, 2024 16:16:46 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to KoR/ZSJ more than Cassidy/ZSJ, which I'm still really looking forward to.
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Post by X-27 on Jun 26, 2024 19:12:35 GMT -5
Wow
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