jokerjohn
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Post by jokerjohn on Mar 17, 2021 7:35:17 GMT -5
One thing most people don't consider is that for WWE there is no point in signing many of the talent we want to a deal in the first place. Their goal is to make money and spending that on someone just to make a plastic toy wouldn't be smart. Many people wouldn't sell enough merchandise to make the deal profitable. It sucks but I get it.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 17, 2021 7:36:53 GMT -5
There’s not a ton of first time guys left that I’m dying to have.. Jarrett - we know they will when they can. Hercules - ?? Zeus - ? Bagwell - not gonna happen Ultimo Dragon - with another company Alex wright - not likely Steve mcmichael - not likely Raven -  Brother Love - ? I’m not interested in Godwins, oddities, head bangers, etc |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 17, 2021 7:39:48 GMT -5
They have to have legends deals. Unlike Jakks, where they would sign someone independently of a WWE Legends deal, Mattel can’t/won’t do that and only does wrestlers signed to deals. The reason so many legends aren’t signed is you have a 75 year old WWE CEO who still holds grudges from 50 years ago and won’t swallow his pride to make himself even more money. Considering the people he’s rebuilt bridges with, mainly due to make money, that’s not exactly true. It just depends on how big a name they are. I agree - Vince has proven he will work with anyone if he thinks it makes sense financially A lot of legends have said in shoot interviews they have rejected the deal because of the additional things they could be asked to do - appearances, promotion, pr etc. Same as the hall of fame, I believe it was Cornette who said he wouldn’t go in because your on a 12 month contract for appearances etc following hof induction |
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Post by taserface on Mar 17, 2021 7:40:17 GMT -5
It’s really simple to understand. Even if Mattel could go out and sign whoever they wanted they would still need the wwe to approve who gets made. And if the wwe doesn’t want them made it’s not going to happen. When you say that you act like they would shoot down everyone. There’s numerous names that have been inducted into their HOF, that we could get figures of. Surely if they will let them be inducted, do a HOF for an inductee or have specials on the Netwok, they’d let them have an action figure |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 7:40:34 GMT -5
Have you noticed “they aren’t signed to a legends deal” has become the new “mass produced toys aren’t rare”?
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Post by PJ on Mar 17, 2021 8:23:16 GMT -5
It’s really simple to understand. Even if Mattel could go out and sign whoever they wanted they would still need the wwe to approve who gets made. And if the wwe doesn’t want them made it’s not going to happen. When you say that you act like they would shoot down everyone. There’s numerous names that have been inducted into their HOF, that we could get figures of. Surely if they will let them be inducted, do a HOF for an inductee or have specials on the Netwok, they’d let them have an action figure No, but many of the names mentioned such as Gooker, Booger, Oddities, Gonzalez, etc are not marketable names/gimmicks. Nor are they ever going to get into the HOF. And honestly for me someone who’s been watching wrestling since the mid 70’s couldn’t be paid enough to put their figures in my shelves. And I am sure there’s plenty of Legends I want that others wouldn’t ever want. But just because someone was in the WWF, NWA/WCW, AWA, WCCW or ECW doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to have a figure. |
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Post by taserface on Mar 17, 2021 8:37:43 GMT -5
When you say that you act like they would shoot down everyone. There’s numerous names that have been inducted into their HOF, that we could get figures of. Surely if they will let them be inducted, do a HOF for an inductee or have specials on the Netwok, they’d let them have an action figure No, but many of the names mentioned such as Gooker, Booger, Oddities, Gonzalez, etc are not marketable names/gimmicks. Nor are they ever going to get into the HOF. And honestly for me someone who’s been watching wrestling since the mid 70’s couldn’t be paid enough to put their figures in my shelves. And I am sure there’s plenty of Legends I want that others wouldn’t ever want. But just because someone was in the WWF, NWA/WCW, AWA, WCCW or ECW doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to have a figure. Every collector is not like you. Having to have 100 versions of Orton, Triple H, etc. Believe it or not a lot of collectors like variety and the colorful outfits of those jobbers and mid carders (and stars) of ECW, WWF, WCW, NWA Classic Superstars included all of those guys for a reason. Because collectors wanted them. There’s no difference now |
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Post by jacobl18 on Mar 17, 2021 9:14:16 GMT -5
No, but many of the names mentioned such as Gooker, Booger, Oddities, Gonzalez, etc are not marketable names/gimmicks. Nor are they ever going to get into the HOF. And honestly for me someone who’s been watching wrestling since the mid 70’s couldn’t be paid enough to put their figures in my shelves. And I am sure there’s plenty of Legends I want that others wouldn’t ever want. But just because someone was in the WWF, NWA/WCW, AWA, WCCW or ECW doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to have a figure. Every collector is not like you. Having to have 100 versions of Orton, Triple H, etc. Believe it or not a lot of collectors like variety and the colorful outfits of those jobbers and mid carders (and stars) of ECW, WWF, WCW, NWA Classic Superstars included all of those guys for a reason. Because collectors wanted them. There’s no difference now Booger would be a day 1 purchase for me. It sucks because Mattel could make his figure look awesome and I do think ppl would buy it just because it would stand out from other figures. |
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Post by PJ on Mar 17, 2021 9:14:23 GMT -5
No, but many of the names mentioned such as Gooker, Booger, Oddities, Gonzalez, etc are not marketable names/gimmicks. Nor are they ever going to get into the HOF. And honestly for me someone who’s been watching wrestling since the mid 70’s couldn’t be paid enough to put their figures in my shelves. And I am sure there’s plenty of Legends I want that others wouldn’t ever want. But just because someone was in the WWF, NWA/WCW, AWA, WCCW or ECW doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to have a figure. Every collector is not like you. Having to have 100 versions of Orton, Triple H, etc. Believe it or not a lot of collectors like variety and the colorful outfits of those jobbers and mid carders (and stars) of ECW, WWF, WCW, NWA Classic Superstars included all of those guys for a reason. Because collectors wanted them. There’s no difference now And not every collector is like you where they need a figure of every wrestler to appear in a company. And I have a majority of the Jakks CS/CSDA line (at least 85%) and most are still displayed. But for a figure to make it into my collection There needs to be either a fond memory of watching that wrestler with my father or I need to have found that wrestler entertaining. If they didn’t entertain me when I was watching them then I certainly don’t need them standing on my shelves. |
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Post by The Madness on Mar 17, 2021 9:14:58 GMT -5
I don't know if it's still going on, but the concussion lawsuit has been holding up a lot of figures that collectors would want.
Road Warrior Animal
Adam Bomb
Ahmed Johnson
Sabu
Demolition
King Kong Bundy
Butch Reed
Henry O. Godwinn
Marty Jannetty
Warlord
Barbarian
Saturn
Flash Funk/2 Cold Scorpio
Slick
One Man Gang
All are/were part of that lawsuit.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 17, 2021 9:20:18 GMT -5
And it has to be financially viable for WWE to sign these guys. Are they really gonna get a return on investment by signing guys like Bastion Booger, Missing Link, Mantaur, Ludvig Borga, Damien Demento, etc to legends contracts?
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Post by jacobl18 on Mar 17, 2021 9:39:36 GMT -5
And it has to be financially viable for WWE to sign these guys. Are they really gonna get a return on investment by signing guys like Bastion Booger, Missing Link, Mantaur, Ludvig Borga, Damien Demento, etc to legends contracts? This is part of the problem that I was trying to make in my original post. Why can’t WWE & Mattel come to an agreement about getting wrestlers to agree with a figure only without having to be put under a legends deal. Nobody is gonna buy a bastion booger shirt and he’s definitely not going into the HOF. Call him on the phone and say “Hey Mattel wants to make an action figure of you, you don’t have to do anything, and we will send you a check for $1000 or $2000”. I think a lot of these old timers would do it for free just so they can have an action figure made that they can sell or autograph at convention shows. |
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Post by taserface on Mar 17, 2021 9:48:39 GMT -5
And it has to be financially viable for WWE to sign these guys. Are they really gonna get a return on investment by signing guys like Bastion Booger, Missing Link, Mantaur, Ludvig Borga, Damien Demento, etc to legends contracts? This is part of the problem that I was trying to make in my original post. Why can’t WWE & Mattel come to an agreement about getting wrestlers to agree with a figure only without having to be put under a legends deal. Nobody is gonna buy a bastion booger shirt and he’s definitely not going into the HOF. Call him on the phone and say “Hey Mattel wants to make an action figure of you, you don’t have to do anything, and we will send you a check for $1000 or $2000”. I think a lot of these old timers would do it for free just so they can have an action figure made that they can sell or autograph at convention shows. Exactly. Because Mattel is too cheap to do it Like I’ve said before of FTC can sign Juvi, Candido, Whipwreck, Francine, Cornette, and on and on and Zombie can sign Sabu, Rock N Roll Express, Kevin Sullivan and Chella can sign Dynamite Kid to figure deals, then Mattel can. They choose not to. Contracts can always be modified or re worked |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Mar 17, 2021 9:53:45 GMT -5
I know it's a business but I hate that WWE looks at every Legends deal with that "well what merch/program can we get out this?" But Mattel is #1* and first time guys will be hard to come by. There is some talent in zombie sailor line I'd love to have as Elites and it can be frustrating that a person like that can get those wrestlers but WWE and Mattel two mammoth companies won't/can't.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Mar 17, 2021 10:04:58 GMT -5
Since Mattel took over in 2010, Triple H has rebuilt those bridges (Warrior, Bruno, etc). Not Vince. Yeah, and Triple H needs Vinces blessing to do so as Vince makes the final decision. Guys like Warrior and Bruno coming back into the fold means more profits for Vince so it’s good business. Adam Bomb, as well most of that list, won’t move the needle enough for Vince to care. If Nikolai Volkoff can get a second figure, I don't think Adam Bomb and others would be a problem for WWE. |
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Post by The Coach on Mar 17, 2021 10:30:56 GMT -5
They have to have legends deals. Unlike Jakks, where they would sign someone independently of a WWE Legends deal, Mattel can’t/won’t do that and only does wrestlers signed to deals. The reason so many legends aren’t signed is you have a 75 year old WWE CEO who still holds grudges from 50 years ago and won’t swallow his pride to make himself even more money. It’s beyond frustrating for an old school collector like myself. There are so few figs I’ve gotten because there’s really no one new they’re producing. I’m not sure if I’d say it’s a grudge issue. The business mode has changed, and certain Legends, like ECW guys, aren’t going to be made readily available to a toy line that’s produced my Mattel during a PG era of the company. Look for Jeremy Padawer to do what he did with the CS line. Also, Super 7 said they’re looking into producing Legends already, but they want to focus on the current NJPW roster first, since that’s what NJPW asked for. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 17, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -5
They have to have legends deals. Unlike Jakks, where they would sign someone independently of a WWE Legends deal, Mattel can’t/won’t do that and only does wrestlers signed to deals. The reason so many legends aren’t signed is you have a 75 year old WWE CEO who still holds grudges from 50 years ago and won’t swallow his pride to make himself even more money. It’s beyond frustrating for an old school collector like myself. There are so few figs I’ve gotten because there’s really no one new they’re producing. I’m not sure if I’d say it’s a grudge issue. The business mode has changed, and certain Legends, like ECW guys, aren’t going to be made readily available to a toy line that’s produced my Mattel during a PG era of the company. Look for Jeremy Padawer to do what he did with the CS line. Also, Super 7 said they’re looking into producing Legends already, but they want to focus on the current NJPW roster first, since that’s what NJPW asked for. Who is too edgy for Mattel to make from ECW or wherever? They made a pimp. They made guys whose signature catchphrase was “suck it” while gesturing to their crotch. They made a sex addict. They made a horny old woman. They made a guy who is famously known for drinking beer and flipping people off. They made a couple people who did porn in real life. I don’t think PG era or Mattel’s standards has anything to do with who gets signed and made. |
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Post by Rock-Is-King on Mar 17, 2021 11:22:59 GMT -5
No, but many of the names mentioned such as Gooker, Booger, Oddities, Gonzalez, etc are not marketable names/gimmicks. Nor are they ever going to get into the HOF. And honestly for me someone who’s been watching wrestling since the mid 70’s couldn’t be paid enough to put their figures in my shelves. And I am sure there’s plenty of Legends I want that others wouldn’t ever want. But just because someone was in the WWF, NWA/WCW, AWA, WCCW or ECW doesn’t mean they automatically deserve to have a figure. Every collector is not like you. Having to have 100 versions of Orton, Triple H, etc. Believe it or not a lot of collectors like variety and the colorful outfits of those jobbers and mid carders (and stars) of ECW, WWF, WCW, NWA Classic Superstars included all of those guys for a reason. Because collectors wanted them. There’s no difference now Exactly....the CS line was huge & all or at least 95% of all included sold like hot cakes....now days with Mattel’s advanced scans why would the sales be any different?? ....I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that most of the collectors that were around & bought the CS series are still collecting, myself included |
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Post by PJ on Mar 17, 2021 11:32:31 GMT -5
And it has to be financially viable for WWE to sign these guys. Are they really gonna get a return on investment by signing guys like Bastion Booger, Missing Link, Mantaur, Ludvig Borga, Damien Demento, etc to legends contracts? This is part of the problem that I was trying to make in my original post. Why can’t WWE & Mattel come to an agreement about getting wrestlers to agree with a figure only without having to be put under a legends deal. Nobody is gonna buy a bastion booger shirt and he’s definitely not going into the HOF. Call him on the phone and say “Hey Mattel wants to make an action figure of you, you don’t have to do anything, and we will send you a check for $1000 or $2000” . I think a lot of these old timers would do it for free just so they can have an action figure made that they can sell or autograph at convention shows. And where would these wrestlers get all these figures of themselves to sell at conventions? And for those bringing up other companies havIng no trouble signing talent to figure deals are missing the most important detail of that. They don’t have the WWAndE to deal with. They are free to sign whoever they want for however much both parties agree on. Mattel doesn’t have that luxury. They have the WWE license and have to cater to who the WWE wants representing the WWE brand. So if the WWE offers Scott Steiner their standard legends merchandise contract and Steiner turned it down then the WWE isn’t going to offer him more. And I am sure there’s plenty of wrestlers who the WWE feel aren’t worth the money spent on the contract. And in Mattel case maybe they feel some wrestlers won’t get the return to justify the money needed to Sculpt/tool the parts to produce a figure. Every collector is not like you. Having to have 100 versions of Orton, Triple H, etc. Believe it or not a lot of collectors like variety and the colorful outfits of those jobbers and mid carders (and stars) of ECW, WWF, WCW, NWA Classic Superstars included all of those guys for a reason. Because collectors wanted them. There’s no difference now Exactly....the CS line was huge & all or at least 95% of all included sold like hot cakes....now days with Mattel’s advanced scans why would the sales be any different?? I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that most of the collectors that were around & bought the CS series are still collecting, myself included Why would it be different? Because that was almost 20 years ago when the CS line was release. More people knew who the Outlaw Ron Bass, Killer Kowalski or Johnny Rodz was. They were three figures I was very happy to add to my collection. But it’s now 20 years later and I am sure there’s a lot less of us who still collect who know who they are and would buy them again. I have wanted Pedro Morales since the CS line was announced and with each year that has passed it has gotten less and less likely I will ever see it. Because unlike Hogan, Piper, Warrior, Macho and a few others who remain relevant through the years many have just faded away to obscurity. They just don’t have the name recognition to be marketable anymore. |
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Post by Rock-Is-King on Mar 17, 2021 11:40:58 GMT -5
This is part of the problem that I was trying to make in my original post. Why can’t WWE & Mattel come to an agreement about getting wrestlers to agree with a figure only without having to be put under a legends deal. Nobody is gonna buy a bastion booger shirt and he’s definitely not going into the HOF. Call him on the phone and say “Hey Mattel wants to make an action figure of you, you don’t have to do anything, and we will send you a check for $1000 or $2000” . I think a lot of these old timers would do it for free just so they can have an action figure made that they can sell or autograph at convention shows. And where would these wrestlers get all these figures of themselves to sell at conventions? And for those bringing up other companies havIng no trouble signing talent to figure deals are missing the most important detail of that. They don’t have the WWAndE to deal with. They are free to sign whoever they want for however much both parties agree on. Mattel doesn’t have that luxury. They have the WWE license and have to cater to who the WWE wants representing the WWE brand. So if the WWE offers Scott Steiner their standard legends merchandise contract and Steiner turned it down then the WWE isn’t going to offer him more. And I am sure there’s plenty of wrestlers who the WWE feel aren’t worth the money spent on the contract. And in Mattel case maybe they feel some wrestlers won’t get the return to justify the money needed to Sculpt/tool the parts to produce a figure. Good valid point made about the Legends deal BUT couldn’t they at least try making a new legend or two just to see how much of a turnout could be made instead of going on they’re own personal “feeling” as to whether someone would sell or not?? If they would take a chance or two they just might be pleasantly surprised ....hell they could take that chance by making a couple RSC exclusives which are limited |
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