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Post by The Lion's Den on Jan 29, 2021 16:46:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this more of a rant than anything, but I'd love to hear about some other people's experiences.
I am finishing my Master's degree (another story in itself) in the next two weeks and hopefully heading back to work. Well, not hopefully, I will find something. The question is, how do you approach the job hunt? Are you in a field where you don't really need to traditionally apply online and have to prove yourself in other ways? Or do you go through those long and exhausting hurdles like applying online, multiple round interviews, or getting ghosted altogether? Are you sending out a thousand resumes, networking, or are you set?
Today I had an interview that started to go well until we discussed salary, at which point the HR rep told me I was asking too much and wouldn't proceed. Why not be upfront? Why was it not included in the posting? I'm no hedge fund leader, but we all have a price, right Ted? We all have needs and expenses to cover.
Anyway, would love to hear any stories, tips, or rants about your career/job hunt.
On a side note, 20 years ago when I joined this place there's no way I thought I would be making such adult posts haha.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 29, 2021 17:09:14 GMT -5
Horrible.
-If you send out resumes to 100 jobs, you would be lucky if one of them calls you for an interview.
-The person interviewing you would often decide then and there they dont want you for whatever reason.
-If you go to a big office building, the security desk would sometimes ask for your ID and then keep it until you come back down to pick it up.
-When the business name and salary is not listed in an ad, that is always $u$pect.
-The older you are, the less interviews you will receive. You might be asked for a lot of interviews if you are 22-23, but not as many if you are 30-32 even if you just got another degree.
I studied economics and I have never used it for any job Ive had. It turns out I use it more to discuss the value of wrestling figures.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Jan 29, 2021 17:50:50 GMT -5
Horrible. That about sums it up-If you send out resumes to 100 jobs, you would be lucky if one of them calls you for an interview. Accurate-The person interviewing you would often decide then and there they dont want you for whatever reason. -If you go to a big office building, the security desk would sometimes ask for your ID and then keep it until you come back down to pick it up. -When the business name and salary is not listed in an ad, that is always $u$pect. -The older you are, the less interviews you will receive. You might be asked for a lot of interviews if you are 22-23, but not as many if you are 30-32 even if you just got another degree. Is this because of your salary expectations? Because that is me right now.I studied economics and I have never used it for any job Ive had. It turns out I use it more to discuss the value of wrestling figures. In my undergrad and even my MBA I can't see myself using any of the material I've learned. But that's just me.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jan 29, 2021 17:53:30 GMT -5
stop making other people money, make yourself money!
you can do it, any one can if they work hard enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 17:55:08 GMT -5
Horrible. -If you send out resumes to 100 jobs, you would be lucky if one of them calls you for an interview. -The person interviewing you would often decide then and there they dont want you for whatever reason. -If you go to a big office building, the security desk would sometimes ask for your ID and then keep it until you come back down to pick it up. -When the business name and salary is not listed in an ad, that is always $u$pect. -The older you are, the less interviews you will receive. You might be asked for a lot of interviews if you are 22-23, but not as many if you are 30-32 even if you just got another degree. I studied economics and I have never used it for any job Ive had. It turns out I use it more to discuss the value of wrestling figures. Useless economics degree club checking in! Thankfully my second degree (education) was more relevant even though the system is incredibly frustrating and broken
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Post by LA Times on Jan 29, 2021 17:56:09 GMT -5
The Lion's Den I think its because employers dont want older employees in the middle of a career change. If they want an older guy, they want somebody with 7 years experience or something in their field. I am no longer working at the job my username is referring to, but the company specifically looks for older workers for deadend jobs because they know younger workers will eventually leave for something better.
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Post by SquashMatch on Jan 29, 2021 18:06:23 GMT -5
Hmm, this is an interesting topic because I'm about to wrap up my associate's degree in applied animation (emphasis: 3D Environmental Artist) and have 10 years of working for a major shipping company in various managerial roles while going through college. Mid 30s as well. I don't know how the game industry fairs with this or my work experience, but I wasn't highly optimistic on landing work at a studio right away outside of freelance stuff.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Jan 29, 2021 18:32:44 GMT -5
Hmm, this is an interesting topic because I'm about to wrap up my associate's degree in applied animation (emphasis: 3D Environmental Artist) and have 10 years of working for a major shipping company in various managerial roles while going through college. Mid 30s as well. I don't know how the game industry fairs with this or my work experience, but I wasn't highly optimistic on landing work at a studio right away outside of freelance stuff. That's very niche, I would imagine that would be a grind to identify opportunities in that field. Ironically, I am looking at logistics/supply chain management roles.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Jan 29, 2021 18:33:27 GMT -5
stop making other people money, make yourself money! you can do it, any one can if they work hard enough. Doesn't work for everyone, or interest everyone unfortunately.
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Post by SquashMatch on Jan 29, 2021 19:22:19 GMT -5
Hmm, this is an interesting topic because I'm about to wrap up my associate's degree in applied animation (emphasis: 3D Environmental Artist) and have 10 years of working for a major shipping company in various managerial roles while going through college. Mid 30s as well. I don't know how the game industry fairs with this or my work experience, but I wasn't highly optimistic on landing work at a studio right away outside of freelance stuff. That's very niche, I would imagine that would be a grind to identify opportunities in that field. Ironically, I am looking at logistics/supply chain management roles. Luckily there's a couple of triple a studios in town here and some indie ones, but remote work is all the rage. We'll see. As far as logistics/supply chain it's in demand and essential so to speak. We've not slowed down at all and we're not the small packages side either.
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Post by figurecollector on Jan 29, 2021 20:55:18 GMT -5
You think looking for a job in your thirties is bad, try looking for one in your 50's. I had to a few years ago and you are lucky to ever get a response.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Jan 29, 2021 23:17:10 GMT -5
You think looking for a job in your thirties is bad, try looking for one in your 50's. I had to a few years ago and you are lucky to ever get a response. I'm starting to think it doesn't matter what age you are. There are so many factors that go into a hiring manager's decision to respond; do they use an ATS? Are they posting externally because they have to but will hire internally? Is it posted Just to have a friend or family apply? And so on.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jan 30, 2021 2:28:26 GMT -5
I have no Masters Degree or Bachelors Degree. The Market is tough around the whole USA; the stock market is looking pretty uneasy. I only studied High School Econ (Love Economics) so I am no market expert. But; in New Mexico it's brutal out here. The only places really hiring in New Mexico is public safety fields and I guess Walmart/McDonalds/ but they are being pretty stingy too oddly.
My girlfriend is graduating in May with her Bachelors in Pysch; but she wants to be a teacher. And get her masters; to work in some end of Childhood therapy. However; the market is so rough she works at local Pizza chain she's been with for 5 years and she's applying as manager until things lay back.
I have numerous friends locked in the same spot as her.
I never thought of how hard it is finding a job with a degree is; until I've seen it in play. As kid or in High School; I always though oh you get degree and boom you get a job. And when I hear some many struggles; now it kinda dawned on me pretty hard. Even though; it's pretty obvious. lol. The only time where I haven't seen woe's was with my Aunt. But; she was a Nurse with a degree; and was encouraged by the downtown hospital to continue going to college. And they pretty much handed her a a admin job right when she got her masters.
I actually am a Certified Law Enforcement Officer in Corrections. I left my county jail for laundry list of issues that I had with administration. But; also mainly a lot of people get trapped at the jail and never move on to bigger things in LE. fourth largest jail in the state and houses Feds and doesn't have active Cert (Jail/Prison SWAT), and is running behind in every area compared to others. It was time to go. It's place for rookies who get trapped; or sort of the after school club where f ups from other agencies chilled at. I was the youngest Officer at the jail though , 19. I am going to the State Prison hopefully by spring; but I been looking for temporary work since Late Fall. And it seems the only reason why the State Pen wants me is they'll take as many as they can; and I am already certified.
Loss Prevention Retail Security refuses to hire me; Target rejected me twice. And I also have 4 years of retail management experience; so I applied for management jobs just to beef up the pay till I land the job and it's a hard no. But; working my job has made me picky with pay.
I think it's literally if one snotty HR person doesn't like something or gets the wrong impression in they're head it's done deal. Good luck to you man; I am sure something good is waiting out there. Hopefully it's what you want and a job that inspires you and takes care of you.
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Post by james4293 on Jan 30, 2021 5:50:27 GMT -5
1 simple trick to stop age discrimination is not put your age on the application. Put o relevant experience and tailor your C.V to the job you are going for. Oh and at the bottom put a lot of buzzwords in white text. Some of these companies wont ever see your C.V because a computer will filter out them that dont contain the buzzwords specific to the field you are applying too.
Oh and be lucky my mate went for a driving job, and after the interview and being offered the job he was honest and turned it down because it wouldnt work for him, the person hiring said we have a supervisors role coming up and instead of interviewing again he told him he could have it if he wanted. Less hours more money and had no experience in the field.
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Post by figurecollector on Jan 30, 2021 14:18:33 GMT -5
You think looking for a job in your thirties is bad, try looking for one in your 50's. I had to a few years ago and you are lucky to ever get a response. I'm starting to think it doesn't matter what age you are. There are so many factors that go into a hiring manager's decision to respond; do they use an ATS? Are they posting externally because they have to but will hire internally? Is it posted Just to have a friend or family apply? And so on. The thing that has always bothered me about interviewing for a job is the when condescending HR people who, although they know nothing about the position except what the job description says, tend to think they are capable of interviewing a candidate and immediately determine that someone is not a fit for the job. Until you have worked at the job, you have no idea of the intricacies of how it is done. I doubt the manager over the position ever got to see 75% of the resumes I submitted for positions.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jan 30, 2021 14:33:58 GMT -5
stop making other people money, make yourself money! you can do it, any one can if they work hard enough. Doesn't work for everyone, or interest everyone unfortunately. sure it does, just have to hustle. also, college was the worst decision of my life. Dont go to college, go into a trade or trade school were most almost have a 100% chance at job security.
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Post by bababooey on Jan 30, 2021 22:20:41 GMT -5
I’m in a weird position where I’m starting to look for a new job after a fairly long stay at my current job. Close to 6 years and no immediate plans to leave, but I wanna get out and possibly even pivot my career. Looking for a job after all this time is like trying to date after a long relationship. It’s a different world than it was last time. I check out LinkedIn a lot. I also get a lot of calls from recruiters which does help. Usually they’ll talk real with you about expectations and what to do. They are generally working with a number of companies and can tailor your job search for you. Also, a lot of companies hire through recruiting agencies now. They are helpful both for the interviewer and interviewee. I recently spoke to a recruiter about a possible interview and we discussed salary. I was nervous to ask what I was asking as it was a significant bump from my current salary. The recruiter told me the position was offering about double what I was asking.
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Post by Valbroski on Feb 1, 2021 1:55:37 GMT -5
I use Indeed mostly but I actually found my current job on craigslist and I've been with the company now for nearly 4 years. I was lucky enough to get the interview for my current position while still in school, so I was able to accept the job after I graduated.
Since starting my current job, I have been on a few other interviews because I don't plan on being with my company forever. There are a lot of great things about my current job but I have other career goals that my current position do not fully align with. In the same respect, I'm not desperate and won't settle for a lower salary or further commute.
I see nothing wrong with being upfront about what your salary goals are and I think every job listing should make the salary range clear. I try to avoid job listings that don't outline what the starting salary would be. As you said, we all have needs and expenses to cover and speaking openly about salary in my experience has never cost me a job opportunity. Obviously how you go about bringing it up impacts their perception of you but if you do it professionally and respectfully, interviewers are generally pretty understanding.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Feb 1, 2021 2:55:48 GMT -5
I use Indeed mostly but I actually found my current job on craigslist and I've been with the company now for nearly 4 years. I was lucky enough to get the interview for my current position while still in school, so I was able to accept the job after I graduated. Since starting my current job, I have been on a few other interviews because I don't plan on being with my company forever. There are a lot of great things about my current job but I have other career goals that my current position do not fully align with. In the same respect, I'm not desperate and won't settle for a lower salary or further commute. I see nothing wrong with being upfront about what your salary goals are and I think every job listing should make the salary range clear. I try to avoid job listings that don't outline what the starting salary would be. As you said, we all have needs and expenses to cover and speaking openly about salary in my experience has never cost me a job opportunity. Obviously how you go about bringing it up impacts their perception of you but if you do it professionally and respectfully, interviewers are generally pretty understanding. Good to hear you're in a good spot, always good to keep looking to be more fulfilled. Never know what's out there too. As for bringing the salary up, that's the tough line to toe. Bring it up to early, you look like a money-hungry jerk. Wait until the end and you've wasted everyone's time.
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Post by Valbroski on Feb 2, 2021 12:39:09 GMT -5
I use Indeed mostly but I actually found my current job on craigslist and I've been with the company now for nearly 4 years. I was lucky enough to get the interview for my current position while still in school, so I was able to accept the job after I graduated. Since starting my current job, I have been on a few other interviews because I don't plan on being with my company forever. There are a lot of great things about my current job but I have other career goals that my current position do not fully align with. In the same respect, I'm not desperate and won't settle for a lower salary or further commute. I see nothing wrong with being upfront about what your salary goals are and I think every job listing should make the salary range clear. I try to avoid job listings that don't outline what the starting salary would be. As you said, we all have needs and expenses to cover and speaking openly about salary in my experience has never cost me a job opportunity. Obviously how you go about bringing it up impacts their perception of you but if you do it professionally and respectfully, interviewers are generally pretty understanding. Good to hear you're in a good spot, always good to keep looking to be more fulfilled. Never know what's out there too. As for bringing the salary up, that's the tough line to toe. Bring it up to early, you look like a money-hungry jerk. Wait until the end and you've wasted everyone's time. I usually wait till the end because by that point I’ve usually made up my mind if it’s even worth pursuing the job. When you think about it, they are interviewing multiple candidates so somebody is going to waste their time regardless. I think as long as you are courteous of their time from the standpoint that you’re prepared for the interview and obviously on time for it, you’re fine.
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