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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5
Saying someone in charge of making toys should have thicker skin, when toy collectors obviously don’t is funny. Uh what? No it isn't funny at all. It's completely factual. The maker should have thicker skin. Just like a CEO should have thicker skin against those who criticize his/her product or company. Just like an athlete should have thicker skin against fans who bash him/her. Just like movie stars should have thicker skin from critics who bash their performance and behaviors. What part of this are you missing? lol I love you. This is not a good take. Accepting constructive criticism does not require thicker skin. The types of comments that require thicker skin maybe just shouldn't be said in the first place. To use the athlete comparison since it's in my wheelhouse. There's a difference between booing the away team (acceptable, and doesn't really require think skin) and telling an athlete they're a piece of garbage and should quit their sport (unacceptable) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 14:11:45 GMT -5
Uh what? No it isn't funny at all. It's completely factual. The maker should have thicker skin. Just like a CEO should have thicker skin against those who criticize his/her product or company. Just like an athlete should have thicker skin against fans who bash him/her. Just like movie stars should have thicker skin from critics who bash their performance and behaviors. What part of this are you missing? lol I love you. Or maybe just don't bash people, yeah? I don't disagree with that. But his argument is that ALL the collectors should have the same maturity and thick skin as the creators, which is just asinine. They're in a position of power. That comes with a different level of scrutiny and criticism. There's always going to be naysayers. And there's always going to be the can't-do-any-wrong crowd. The key is to wade through the extremes and find constructive thought and respond appropriately. I love you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 14:16:49 GMT -5
Uh what? No it isn't funny at all. It's completely factual. The maker should have thicker skin. Just like a CEO should have thicker skin against those who criticize his/her product or company. Just like an athlete should have thicker skin against fans who bash him/her. Just like movie stars should have thicker skin from critics who bash their performance and behaviors. What part of this are you missing? lol I love you. This is not a good take. Accepting constructive criticism does not require thicker skin. The types of comments that require thicker skin maybe just shouldn't be said in the first place. To use the athlete comparison since it's in my wheelhouse. There's a difference between booing the away team (acceptable, and doesn't really require think skin) and telling an athlete they're a piece of garbage and should quit their sport (unacceptable) I completely disagree. As I just stated, the creators are in a position of power. That comes with a higher level of scrutiny and criticism. To expect the same level of tolerance from the top on down is silly. People shouldn't expect the same level of maturity from Tim Cook (Apple CEO) and a random person chewing him out on an Apple forum. Bill had every right to ignore anyone who was being disrespectful. But to throw his hands up and run away and punish the entire forum was dumb any way you slice it. At least AFA has taken over the role. I love you. |
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Post by crush on Jan 24, 2021 14:29:35 GMT -5
Toy collectors are the most ridiculous people. “Mattel doesn’t listen to the customers.” We literally have Mattel employees to interact with and to ask whatever we want. Granted you crybabies bullied one into leaving. Legend collectors constantly complaining despite the insane amount of legends figures we’ve gotten. Blaming Mattel for distribution despite it being on the stores, who are paying to have these series exclusive to them. They didn’t need to bring back the Legends line. Complaining they aren’t making people who aren’t even signed. I mean, we get a hell of a lot of Warriors, and we will probably get as many Hogans, but lose your damn minds because they aren’t the Warriors or Hogans you want. Just constant bitching. Haha Devil's advocate for a moment... 1) I would hardly call Bill's departure "bullying". It was maybe crossing a line to question his effort as the OP in that post did, but someone in his position should have thicker skin tbh. All moot at this point though as AFA has taken over the role. 2) Mattel didn't bring back the Legends line as some thank you gesture... it was done so because it financially and strategically made sense to do so at this point. If and when they stop hitting their profit margins on them, they'll cancel it. 3) I do agree that the "distribution" card gets overplayed. Especially with the original Legends line. Yes they were overproduced... but Mattel has a knack for kicking off inaugural lines with TERRIBLE choices. They've had several lines launch DOA because of their lineup choices. 4) Mattel does give us a lot. But man they  up a lot too. Inexcusable ups too. Undertaker and Kane's laced boots. Wrong hair colors (in spite of the artwork on the package being correct). Shawn Michaels face sculpts (all trash except WM 14). Terrible choices for Fan Takeover voting. The aforementioned inaugural lines kicking off with lackluster lineups. Dropping the ball on getting necessary figures out (no Team Xtreme Hardys, no Attitude Dudleys, poor execution on Sting, getting American Made Hogan before Hollywood, etc). Failing again at an Elite scale ring. Etc.5) It's a forum. Bitching is part of the process. And honestly, I'd take the bitching over the apologists who attempt to defend the inexcusable from Mattel. I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!! I agree with some of these, especially the HBK head one (though the recent WM9 head is really, really good) however I must admit that there’s two of them that really stick in my craw every time I read them on here: 1. I’m sorry, but people VASTLY overstate “poor execution” of Sting figures. They weren’t perfect and definitely wonky part choices at times, but Mattel did a solid job with Sting IMO. Just because they didn’t make every version of surfer Sting people wanted every person doesn’t mean that did an objectively bad job. 2. American Made Hogan. If that would have been in the regular line, I’d get it. But it was a one-off purposely niche exclusive. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 24, 2021 15:02:41 GMT -5
Whatever ya say boomer. Okie, Boomer.  Why are you always on here calling people boomers? Is that the only word you know to call people who collect legends? Strangely enough, most "boomers" would be a generation before Hogan Era so it really doesnt make sense at all. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 24, 2021 16:26:46 GMT -5
InB4 Hogan opens his big stupid mouth again and says something ever worse that ruins the prospect for future figures even more.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 24, 2021 16:48:00 GMT -5
InB4 Hogan opens his big stupid mouth again and says something ever worse that ruins the prospect for future figures even more. If that happens, people on this board would have no one to blame but Hogan himself |
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Post by ZDB on Jan 24, 2021 17:29:40 GMT -5
InB4 Hogan opens his big stupid mouth again and says something ever worse that ruins the prospect for future figures even more. If that happens, people on this board would have no one to blame but Hogan himself You’re right, but history says people will keep blaming Bill |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 24, 2021 17:55:30 GMT -5
If that happens, people on this board would have no one to blame but Hogan himself You’re right, but history says people will keep blaming Bill They literally put a Hogan out as fast as they could |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 24, 2021 18:02:35 GMT -5
DAE Bill should have someone monitoring Hogan's activity at all times to ensure that figures are being released in a schedule that's adequately tuned to the odds of when Hogan will go and be publicly revealed to be repulsive again?
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Post by @WWERetroStars on Jan 24, 2021 18:21:40 GMT -5
Collecting is an emotional and financial investment. Because of that, it’s natural for collectors to want to be rewarded. We want Mattel and it’s employees to justify our investment. Make our time worth it. Give us the superstars we want. Give us the looks we want. Get figures out quick and make a ton of them. Those feelings all fair... up to a point.
What we can’t lose sight of is how little information we truly have. Mattel has data upon data upon data. Who sells. What sells. What retail partners want. ‼️What WWE wants‼️. Budget. Terms of superstars’ contracts. Countless behind the scenes factors that play a huge role in a big puzzle. The reality is, we have none of this data. Mattel does and at this point it is 10 years deep.
At the end of the day, Mattel HAS to:
1) MAKE MONEY.
2) KEEP WWE HAPPY.
They would put a Hogan in every Elite set if it satisfied these two points. They would sign the missing superstars many have been begging for to deals just to roll out one figure if it satisfied these two points.
Mattel’s planning, like it or not, is dictated by data and finances.
Collectors wants, like it or not, are dictated by emotion.
In business, data and finances always tops emotion.
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Post by qdogg on Jan 24, 2021 19:36:26 GMT -5
It doesn't shock me. I'm sure we will be getting at least 2 more UE Hogan's and they will probably slide him into more expensive product lines because they figure you will pay more for Hogan.
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Post by zen411 on Jan 24, 2021 20:07:21 GMT -5
Collecting is an emotional and financial investment. Because of that, it’s natural for collectors to want to be rewarded. We want Mattel and it’s employees to justify our investment. Make our time worth it. Give us the superstars we want. Give us the looks we want. Get figures out quick and make a ton of them. Those feelings all fair... up to a point. What we can’t lose sight of is how little information we truly have. Mattel has data upon data upon data. Who sells. What sells. What retail partners want. ‼️What WWE wants‼️. Budget. Terms of superstars’ contracts. Countless behind the scenes factors that play a huge role in a big puzzle. The reality is, we have none of this data. Mattel does and at this point it is 10 years deep. At the end of the day, Mattel HAS to: 1) MAKE MONEY. 2) KEEP WWE HAPPY. They would put a Hogan in every Elite set if it satisfied these two points. They would sign the missing superstars many have been begging for to deals just to roll out one figure if it satisfied these two points. Mattel’s planning, like it or not, is dictated by data and finances. Collectors wants, like it or not, are dictated by emotion. In business, data and finances always tops emotion. Well said. I've gotten to know more of the ins and outs of this line more than nearly any other line I've collected. I appreciate the transparency of Steve and Bill and the regulars here. Its a balancing act to satisfy the customers and the retailers and the wwe and talent. |
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Post by theman on Jan 24, 2021 21:44:08 GMT -5
Collecting is an emotional and financial investment. Because of that, it’s natural for collectors to want to be rewarded. We want Mattel and it’s employees to justify our investment. Make our time worth it. Give us the superstars we want. Give us the looks we want. Get figures out quick and make a ton of them. Those feelings all fair... up to a point. What we can’t lose sight of is how little information we truly have. Mattel has data upon data upon data. Who sells. What sells. What retail partners want. ‼️What WWE wants‼️. Budget. Terms of superstars’ contracts. Countless behind the scenes factors that play a huge role in a big puzzle. The reality is, we have none of this data. Mattel does and at this point it is 10 years deep. At the end of the day, Mattel HAS to: 1) MAKE MONEY. 2) KEEP WWE HAPPY. They would put a Hogan in every Elite set if it satisfied these two points. They would sign the missing superstars many have been begging for to deals just to roll out one figure if it satisfied these two points. Mattel’s planning, like it or not, is dictated by data and finances. Collectors wants, like it or not, are dictated by emotion. In business, data and finances always tops emotion. I understand what you are saying but Hogan sells, that is not a point that is up for debate. In 2020 he was one of the top sellers on WWE.com |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jan 24, 2021 21:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by mrh on Jan 25, 2021 2:16:37 GMT -5
There is a HUGE difference between respectfully telling Mattel or Steve something "I'm really dissapointed we didn't get Hogan" -- or "I think Hogan should have been included, it and it feels like it was just done to keep him in other lines" -- than the ridiculous and immature way people here say things.
Steve and everyone who works at Mattel are people; there's no reason to scream at them (virtually) or treat them like crapbecause they didn't put out a figure you wanted. I assume most of the people who do that are either really young -- and probably shouldn't even be on here -- or have other issues...
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 25, 2021 2:54:36 GMT -5
I guarantee you that any hulk hogan would sell faster then the John cena tland probably most other figures in that line, it’s obvious that there’s money in hulk hogan figures which makes me wonder why Mattel’s not capitalizing on it. It doesn't shock me. I'm sure we will be getting at least 2 more UE Hogan's and they will probably slide him into more expensive product lines because they figure you will pay more for Hogan.Exactly. We may want all of Hulk's looks put out in every other series - but what they're doing makes sense... I wouldn't be surprised to see an UE Hulk Still Rules figure (along with the Amazon UE) and an Elite 2 pk, before a regular Elite (or Legends) figure. They know most collectors/people are clamoring for Hogan figures... so put him (to start with) in the expensive lines. They did a similar thing with Goldberg - his first figure for ages was exclusive to that RAW ring... then his much-requested WCW look was an Entrance Greats figure - and later also in the Elite 2-pk with Bret. I think his only regular release (before the current Wrestlemania one) was in E74... quite a while after his first two (more expensive) figures. Shame on Mattel for capitalising on the demand for certain wrestlers and trying to make money...  |
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Post by shark on Jan 25, 2021 7:28:53 GMT -5
Jesus...it’s not the end of the world yall wtf
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Post by walkingturtles on Jan 25, 2021 8:05:39 GMT -5
Some people lol. My only complaint is two fold, I believe Mattel gets lazy and cheap for certain figures, excluding certain facets that collectors want. Also, I believe certain people in the production of these figures often make attires or choices they like versus any focus group data or community want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 12:48:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing that they're trying to squeeze us and make all the Hogan's as Ultimate versions. What a big favor, lol. I don't prefer Ultimates over the standard Elites because of the price and I think the extra joints are ugly.
I'd like to think it'd be so easy to insert any version of Hulk Hogan into this Legends line and it'd sell out.
I think its super weird that Mattel hasn't ramrodded the Hogan figures.
*And I'm still waiting on that Harley Race they said they were going to rerelease.
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I dont know good luck 
