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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 8:33:13 GMT -5
I’ve seen some people saying Moxley buried MJF. Not sure how when MJF looked completely competitive against him and only lost because Mox used the finish he wasn’t supposed to
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 6, 2020 8:46:08 GMT -5
I’ve seen some people saying Moxley buried MJF. Not sure how when MJF looked completely competitive against him and only lost because Mox used the finish he wasn’t supposed to I have no clue how anyone could claim that’s a burial. Not everyone needs to win the title on their first try (Austin didn’t win it until his 3rd). All that matters is Mox made MJF look like a legitimate threat for the title. This ending protected MJF and will keep him hovering around the main event. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 8:48:22 GMT -5
It was a good show. My only complaint is that it felt like an extended Dynamite. High quality wrestling, advanced some angles, and it will probably be the end for at least a couple of programs. So that's not a negative, and if anything is a testament to the quality of Dynamite most weeks. Maybe it's my Attitude Era tastes, but I want something different from a PPV. Give me a big debut (obviously not something you can do regularly), or something that really generates a buzz closing the show. MJF/Mox had a creative ending that furthers the story. But it didn't do much as the closing moment of a $50 PPV for me. If you're going to run events less frequently and at a higher cost, I think they really need to dig deep to make sure each event really has that moment that feels special. Not so much a response to your own opinion/comments about the ppv, but more the questions you kind of inspired me to think about here. I really wonder if the standard dynamite sets is something that's creating these false hopes in some people in terms of PPV quality. The dynamites are very high quality. The amount of 4 star matches that have appeared on weekly tv is essentially unheard of. From that standard, if the focus is on the wrestling, it can only get so much better. We did get what I would say is a pretty stellar debut tonight in Sydal. Really crap luck he slipped on the ropes and shockmastered his big moment. Personally I've kind of looked at the costs a bit different. I think most people are going to share your perspective on the $50 tag, to me though I always kind of viewed the $50 as an investment not only in that PPV, but in the weeks before and after. Like I'm shelling out my $50 to say 'yes, I liked the build, I'm looking forward to the event, and the fallout. Rather than just viewing the $50 as only for that one event. We've been spoiled with the WWE network, which is really quite under priced all things considered. In the age of pirating everything and not being willing to pay for content, $50 can feel like a lot. Personally I definitely got my $50 worth tonight, especially when I consider what I feel like I'm paying for. Again not really writing this as a direct response to you, but more the questions that your post made me consider. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 8:54:16 GMT -5
I’ve seen some people saying Moxley buried MJF. Not sure how when MJF looked completely competitive against him and only lost because Mox used the finish he wasn’t supposed to I have no clue how anyone could claim that’s a burial. Not everyone needs to win the title on their first try (Austin didn’t win it until his 3rd). All that matters is Mox made MJF look like a legitimate threat for the title. This ending protected MJF and will keep him hovering around the main event. I’ve seen some even go as far to say AEW is bad now because of “Moxley is burying all the young stars” just ridiculous. He’s helped put Darby and MJF both on the map, imo. |
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Post by K5 on Sept 6, 2020 8:59:39 GMT -5
mox did dominate MJF, but he is the older experienced dominant veteran champion.
MJF has time to grow in the ring. last night the kid with the big mouth talked himself into a fight that he wasn't tough enough for, and mox was saying that all along
the battle royal was a bit off, and the Hardy situation was rough, and the cinematics weren't anything needed. that's my take
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 9:05:56 GMT -5
It was a good show. My only complaint is that it felt like an extended Dynamite. High quality wrestling, advanced some angles, and it will probably be the end for at least a couple of programs. So that's not a negative, and if anything is a testament to the quality of Dynamite most weeks. Maybe it's my Attitude Era tastes, but I want something different from a PPV. Give me a big debut (obviously not something you can do regularly), or something that really generates a buzz closing the show. MJF/Mox had a creative ending that furthers the story. But it didn't do much as the closing moment of a $50 PPV for me. If you're going to run events less frequently and at a higher cost, I think they really need to dig deep to make sure each event really has that moment that feels special. But saying that the cracks are showing? Not seeing that. They've done an amazing job telling long form stories and building continuity between programs. They (largely) make the most of the roster, and with a second show coming I will continue to argue that they have room to grow the roster, particularly in the singles division. Not everyone needs featured all the time. But nepotism? I'd love to see some examples beyond Luther and maybe Cutler of someone who stands out as not being worthy of their spot. The Bucks worked us indies for more than a decade, Cody was in WWE from nearly that same timeframe, and Kenny worked almost everywhere in Japan. That covers a pretty major chunk of the prominent talent in the world that they'd cross paths with and are probably friendly with. I'd love to hear a list of available workers you think are more deserving of a roster spot than some of the folks on the roster. Luther. Brandi. Cutler. Austin Gunn. QT Marshall. Matt Cardona. Penelope Ford. Sean Spears. Butcher and Blade. Vicki Guerrero. Riho. Emi Sakura. Yuka Sakazaki. Britt Baker. I'm sure there's more, too. I'm sure some of them could've gotten in on their own merit, but be honest, all of these came from an association with a talent inside the company. Common in business, but often leads to lower-quality products. Most of them could be cut without an impact to the product. I'm guessing you have watched wrestling continuously; I took a good 15 years off, because my tastes changed, and probably why I'm so picky. For me to pay attention and follow wrestling, it needs to be great. I feel AEW started strong, and has dwindled over the past year. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Sept 6, 2020 9:18:38 GMT -5
So where’s Matt’s idiot wife crying on twitter about something that didn’t happen in WWE to her husband? Seems pretty quiet, must need new surgery or makeup. Must be nice to sit on your fat ass while your husband makes tons of money...
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Post by K5 on Sept 6, 2020 9:19:51 GMT -5
you have a group of passionate wrestlers who changed the wrestling landscape single handedly, and you're expecting them to not use their social group of wrestlers as a base?
what would anyone expect? I don't get that perspective at all.
QT runs a training camp and isn't a slouch, butcher and blade are indie veterans with a great look and getting there in the ring, Austin Gunn is obviously there because his dad is an agent...this is the way wrestling has always worked. bill watts tried to get his son in. Ole Anderson tried to get his son in. flair tried to get his son in. dusty got his kids in. Eric bischoff tried to get his son in. Vince McMahon put his son first and foremost. Cornette literally hired a bunch of friends to start SMW.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 6, 2020 9:23:37 GMT -5
I’ve seen some people saying Moxley buried MJF. Not sure how when MJF looked completely competitive against him and only lost because Mox used the finish he wasn’t supposed to It’s probably the same dorks who thing Cage and Brodie were buried by Mox and Archer was buried by Cody. If someone says this, I’ll look at the rest of their takes with skepticism. MJF was absolutely elevated last night and the next time he challenges for the AEW title, he should win. THAT WAS THE MATCH OF HIS CAREER! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 9:30:54 GMT -5
I’ve seen some people saying Moxley buried MJF. Not sure how when MJF looked completely competitive against him and only lost because Mox used the finish he wasn’t supposed to It’s probably the same dorks who thing Cage and Brodie were buried by Mox and Archer was buried by Cody. If someone says this, I’ll look at the rest of their takes with skepticism. MJF was absolutely elevated last night and the next time he challenges for the AEW title, he should win. THAT WAS THE MATCH OF HIS CAREER! I don’t think a lot of fans these days understand long term booking and not hot shotting someone to the title like WWE has done for years |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Sept 6, 2020 9:34:29 GMT -5
you have a group of passionate wrestlers who changed the wrestling landscape single handedly, and you're expecting them to not use their social group of wrestlers as a base? what would anyone expect? I don't get that perspective at all. QT runs a training camp and isn't a slouch, butcher and blade are indie veterans with a great look and getting there in the ring, Austin Gunn is obviously there because his dad is an agent...this is the way wrestling has always worked. bill watts tried to get his son in. Ole Anderson tried to get his son in. flair tried to get his son in. dusty got his kids in. Eric bischoff tried to get his son in. Vince McMahon put his son first and foremost. Cornette literally hired a bunch of friends to start SMW. Is this going on about “All Friends Wrestling?” There’s nothing wrong with that stuff at face value, my issue comes from people pretending like it’s different than WWE “sports entertainment” same hokey stuff, with a so-so roster. I like Orange Cassidy, I just can’t connect with any of their other talent. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 6, 2020 9:34:46 GMT -5
Re-watched the tag matches. I promise you this isn’t a hot take for the sake of a hot take or me trying to start an argument, but I think the Young Bucks wrestled better than FTR last night.
FTR were better heels and worked over body parts better, but that’s really it. I’ve been very underwhelmed by them so far. They’re nowhere near the team that had one of the greatest matches ever (maybe Gable and Jordan deserve more credit, ESPECIALLY Gable) in NXT. Again, they’re a solid tag team but I think the hype on them was far too high.
Am I biased? Definitely. lol I feel like I’m on an island when I see people praise FTR. They’ve been a southern style team more in the last few matches, but my expectations for them are at about 3 stars right now.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 6, 2020 9:36:07 GMT -5
you have a group of passionate wrestlers who changed the wrestling landscape single handedly, and you're expecting them to not use their social group of wrestlers as a base? what would anyone expect? I don't get that perspective at all. QT runs a training camp and isn't a slouch, butcher and blade are indie veterans with a great look and getting there in the ring, Austin Gunn is obviously there because his dad is an agent...this is the way wrestling has always worked. bill watts tried to get his son in. Ole Anderson tried to get his son in. flair tried to get his son in. dusty got his kids in. Eric bischoff tried to get his son in. Vince McMahon put his son first and foremost. Cornette literally hired a bunch of friends to start SMW. Is this going on about “All Friends Wrestling?” There’s nothing wrong with that stuff at face value, my issue comes from people pretending like it’s different than WWE “sports entertainment” same hokey stuff, with a so-so roster. I like Orange Cassidy, I just can’t connect with any of their other talent. AEW is my favorite promotion right now, but the WwE comparisons aren’t unfair. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 6, 2020 9:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by K5 on Sept 6, 2020 9:39:26 GMT -5
you have a group of passionate wrestlers who changed the wrestling landscape single handedly, and you're expecting them to not use their social group of wrestlers as a base? what would anyone expect? I don't get that perspective at all. QT runs a training camp and isn't a slouch, butcher and blade are indie veterans with a great look and getting there in the ring, Austin Gunn is obviously there because his dad is an agent...this is the way wrestling has always worked. bill watts tried to get his son in. Ole Anderson tried to get his son in. flair tried to get his son in. dusty got his kids in. Eric bischoff tried to get his son in. Vince McMahon put his son first and foremost. Cornette literally hired a bunch of friends to start SMW. Is this going on about “All Friends Wrestling?” There’s nothing wrong with that stuff at face value, my issue comes from people pretending like it’s different than WWE “sports entertainment” same hokey stuff, with a so-so roster. I like Orange Cassidy, I just can’t connect with any of their other talent. well, if people perceive it as different that doesn't mean they're pretending there's been times when AEW has been exactly what it claims not to be there's times AEW has been cringe but overall, there has been several times where AEW makes me excited as a wrestling fan in a way that I and several haven't been in close to 20 years...as I've said several times, the entire Page/Omega/Bucks storyline is the most compelling story in a very long time. Cody/Archer and Mox's feuds have a legitimate rivalry feel where you have two guys who hate each other building towards a big head off - simple wrestling logic, yet rarely seen in today's times. |
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Post by K5 on Sept 6, 2020 9:42:10 GMT -5
Re-watched the tag matches. I promise you this isn’t a hot take for the sake of a hot take or me trying to start an argument, but I think the Young Bucks wrestled better than FTR last night. FTR were better heels and worked over body parts better, but that’s really it. I’ve been very underwhelmed by them so far. They’re nowhere near the team that had one of the greatest matches ever (maybe Gable and Jordan deserve more credit, ESPECIALLY Gable) in NXT. Again, they’re a solid tag team but I think the hype on them was far too high. Am I biased? Definitely. lol I feel like I’m on an island when I see people praise FTR. They’ve been a southern style team more in the last few matches, but my expectations for them are at about 3 stars right now. I love FTR, and feel that while the Bucks provide some high level entertaining tag wrestling, that FTR absolutely owns them and frankly any other team in AEW or currently anywhere in a major western promotion on a psychological level. their crap makes sense and it adds some needed legitimacy to AEW's approach. so we'll hafta agree to disagree on those fellas. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 6, 2020 9:46:50 GMT -5
Re-watched the tag matches. I promise you this isn’t a hot take for the sake of a hot take or me trying to start an argument, but I think the Young Bucks wrestled better than FTR last night. FTR were better heels and worked over body parts better, but that’s really it. I’ve been very underwhelmed by them so far. They’re nowhere near the team that had one of the greatest matches ever (maybe Gable and Jordan deserve more credit, ESPECIALLY Gable) in NXT. Again, they’re a solid tag team but I think the hype on them was far too high. Am I biased? Definitely. lol I feel like I’m on an island when I see people praise FTR. They’ve been a southern style team more in the last few matches, but my expectations for them are at about 3 stars right now. I love FTR, and feel that while the Bucks provide some high level entertaining tag wrestling, that FTR absolutely owns them and frankly any other team in AEW or currently anywhere in a major western promotion on a psychological level. their crap makes sense and it adds some needed legitimacy to AEW's approach. so we'll hafta agree to disagree on those fellas. I don’t know man, I have more fun watching the Bucks work a southern style match (cutting off the corners, working stiff) and then hit the peddle and start hitting their best moves. FTR doesn’t feel special to me. Not saying you’re wrong at all. They had some really good spots last night (the knee work on Omega and the heel tag spots stand out specifically), but they need to not match the styles of other teams and work a consistent, slowed down style. FTR is working too fast to fit their gimmick. |
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Post by K5 on Sept 6, 2020 9:50:48 GMT -5
I love FTR, and feel that while the Bucks provide some high level entertaining tag wrestling, that FTR absolutely owns them and frankly any other team in AEW or currently anywhere in a major western promotion on a psychological level. their crap makes sense and it adds some needed legitimacy to AEW's approach. so we'll hafta agree to disagree on those fellas. I don’t know man, I have more fun watching the Bucks work a southern style match (cutting off the corners, working stiff) and then hit the peddle and start hitting their best moves. FTR doesn’t feel special to me. Not saying you’re wrong at all. They had some really good spots last night (the knee work on Omega and the heel tag spots stand out specifically), but they need to not match the styles of other teams and work a consistent, slowed down style. FTR is working too fast to fit their gimmick. I'm obviously a big fan of AEW, but a lot of their workers are inexperienced/sloppy. lucha express, butcher and blade, even the bucks - their matches can be downright confusing and a mess. on dark two weeks ago lucha express wasn't pinning the right opponent and botched their finish. you could hear Trent and Santana calling spots on dynamite, and then Trent hung out forever in the 'waiting for a backdrop' position till he hit it. you just don't see those things in an FTR match. they're clean as  and will make anyone they work with better wrestlers. |
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Post by @brit_figs on Sept 6, 2020 9:51:17 GMT -5
Wasn't the best PPV was it 😂 still enjoyable
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 10:39:02 GMT -5
I think it’s time for JR to do something else. Some of his commentary last night was awful and he didn’t seem to care to be there at all. Basically called Excalibur stupid and made fun of him in a way for putting over Thunder Rosa
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