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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 19, 2019 8:58:31 GMT -5
Is it really just Friday 7am and people already worry? It's been confirmed by Mattel that the line is done, or at least for the foreseeable future.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 19, 2019 9:34:20 GMT -5
Gotta say I'll laugh my a** off if this whole 'on ice' thing is just a tease for a Retro Glacier lol. Seriously, he would be a perfect Retro figure. 😂 Or a ninja superstars figure
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Post by buddyboy101 on Jul 19, 2019 9:38:59 GMT -5
Did we ever see the grey 92 Taker from the front? To me that's the biggest casualty of the line, and I think we only got a picture of him from behind in a retro ring that was canned.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 19, 2019 9:46:46 GMT -5
Just unfortunate reality. They botched the lineups, virtually from the start and now the line is over. *At least we got Diesel. Seriously. But look at all of the other miscues, beyond distribution. - Oldberg instead of Goldberg. - KO was used as a repaint. - Diesel took 10 waves. - Sheamus was in the line. - We got modern Jericho instead of a WCW or AE version to go with what we got in wave 2. - HBK was in 2008ish attire with a super weird head. - I know people are just happy to have flashback figures but Sheik and JYD were not demanded figures in this line when we could have had Mabel or USA Lex. - It took them 9 waves to get us an accessory. (I ing love that Goldust, though) - I'd argue Foley in wave 2 was a mistake instead of giving us his 96 look but I get the theme was supposed to be 98ish. Not to mention the shirt. There just should have been an equal 2-2 assortment of current/past in every single wave from 3 on. There wasn't. Series 3 was over shipped, featured no flashback characters and rotted for a year. We got repaints of KO and Sting way too soon (I get the Enzo and Cass thing but it still impacted the line negatively by not having new faces). And guys like Bray and Nakamura were waning in popularity (to put it kindly) by the time their figures hit. I think you could argue the size/scale situation too. They were just a little over sized compared to the Hasbro figures. That's nitpicky but when most people collected both it's kind of a big factor. The whole deal just hurts my heart. Primarily because I wanted Jeff Jarrett, who I think we're very close to seeing in the main elite line, and guys like Mabel and USA Lex who we have in the Elite line already. I would have loved the OG NWO, too. Regardless, spilt milk now. *At least we got Diesel.
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Post by casanova on Jul 19, 2019 10:07:07 GMT -5
I will just sit back and wait it out. If it is really done, I will simply do my own Retro line and make the money Mattel does not want to make.
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Post by Thrashard on Jul 19, 2019 10:07:09 GMT -5
This sucks, but Mattel seems to do this a lot. These corporations always want the next "new big thing". My prediction is they release a bunch of crappy new lines that get canceled after a year or so and then we will see retros back.
They do the same thing with legends figures every few years. Right now they're on the kick of "we release too many legends, lets scale back and make them exclusive and hard to find". After a year or two of this, they will say "we're not releasing enough legends figures in the main lines, we need more!"
There has to be some middle ground here. I know Mattel can't be a retro/legends only line, but at the same time all these new guys / NXT guys are NON-STARS to the general public, which mattel can't bring themselves to admit. Beyond a current guys first figure, most of the newer guys from Seth, to AJ, to Roman to Owens all warm shelf's like crazy to my eyes.
Like I said, there has to be some middle ground between a Harley Race figure being so hard to find it goes for $400 and seeing 1000 Charlotte elites warming shelves in every Walmart I walk into.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jul 19, 2019 11:41:42 GMT -5
While I’d love to gloat just like many did when the Superstars Dolls got canceled, I don’t think I will.
I was born when Hasbros first kicked off so I kinda grew up with them. The nostalgia factor with these really hit y’all hard. Mattel really jumped on the fact that the Hasbro Kid generation is now pining for these styled figures. I think the line went far but not far enough. Yeah you got Diesel which took longer than I expected. But, as someone stated before, wtf was up with marking Sheik and JYD? They had some odd ones thrown in.
I wish the Retro collectors and the Superstar Doll collectors could have come together and got what they wanted out of the lines. It seems like we both got pushed out in favor of Ghostbusters and Monster lines lol.
It really shocks me both the lines went downhill. There are a lot of Retro guys out there, there are a lot of Superstar Doll people out there. I think the lines hit stores too hard and say too long. I was stoked for the dolls, bought every one on the shelf then....they sat without anything new. The lack of creativity in them kinda killed the line. The Kurt Angle series Retros are rotting everywhere around me. Like several cases worth.
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 19, 2019 11:54:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it sounds very similar to what they said about the (Target) HOC and (Walmart) Flashback lines - it's like: "they've not been cancelled... we just aren't making any more of them". Yeah, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt really by taking them at their word that the line isn’t 100% dead, but realistically I doubt any of us are hopeful of coming back from this. You really dont think they are just trying to let us down easy? Trying to give us that tiny bit of hope that they know will surely fade away? They probably dont want to piss us off.
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 19, 2019 11:54:42 GMT -5
I spitefully hope they sell about 100 He-Man figures worldwide. Me, too.
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 19, 2019 12:13:02 GMT -5
Like SteveHulk said, they told us the same thing with the flashback line and look what happened with that. It's dead and gone.
All I know is Mattel can't be trusted or relied on to keep a line up and running unless it's Basics or regular Elites. Look at every single line they ever made for WWE figures. It's lasted a few series and then it's canceled. Is it really any wonder why they aren't selling? For some it's like starting a new collection. Especially with the Retros. Defining Moments, Entrance Greats, Flashbacks, Superstar Entrances, NXT Elites, Retros, Womens Division Walgreens exclusives, and any exclusive line ever made. I'm sure i missed about a dozen more. They come, they go, rinse and repeat. Anyone can criticize and say whatever they want about me complaining, but I feel like we have a right to. I've never seen a Toy Company/Line cancel as many as Mattel has with WWE. You like the new Ultimate Edition? Well guess what? It's going to be canceled in a few months. One thing I've learned from this forum over the past year is that Mattel doesn't care about collectors. They throw us a few bones every now and then, but thats it.
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Post by taserface on Jul 19, 2019 12:34:50 GMT -5
Like SteveHulk said, they told us the same thing with the flashback line and look what happened with that. It's dead and gone. All I know is Mattel can't be trusted or relied on to keep a line up and running unless it's Basics or regular Elites. Look at every single line they ever made for WWE figures. It's lasted a few series and then it's canceled. Is it really any wonder why they aren't selling? For some it's like starting a new collection. Especially with the Retros. Defining Moments, Entrance Greats, Flashbacks, Superstar Entrances, NXT Elites, Retros, Womens Division Walgreens exclusives, and any exclusive line ever made. I'm sure i missed about a dozen more. They come, they go, rinse and repeat. Anyone can criticize and say whatever they want about me complaining, but I feel like we have a right to. I've never seen a Toy Company/Line cancel as many as Mattel has with WWE. You like the new Ultimate Edition? Well guess what? It's going to be canceled in a few months. One thing I've learned from this forum over the past year is that Mattel doesn't care about collectors. They throw us a few bones every now and then, but thats it. While I agree with you about the constant stop start of sub lines and really crappy news of Retros going on hiatus To say mattel doesn’t care about collectors is silly Just yesterday we are getting Gerald Briscoe Greg Valentine Danny Davis Chyna Don Muroco old school Big Show Freddie Blassie Gorilla Monsoon Rick Rude old school HHH ‘97 HBK Foley Booker Christian Viscera all 100% figures that kids and young collectors give zero shlt$ about
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 19, 2019 13:30:50 GMT -5
Like SteveHulk said, they told us the same thing with the flashback line and look what happened with that. It's dead and gone. All I know is Mattel can't be trusted or relied on to keep a line up and running unless it's Basics or regular Elites. Look at every single line they ever made for WWE figures. It's lasted a few series and then it's canceled. Is it really any wonder why they aren't selling? For some it's like starting a new collection. Especially with the Retros. Defining Moments, Entrance Greats, Flashbacks, Superstar Entrances, NXT Elites, Retros, Womens Division Walgreens exclusives, and any exclusive line ever made. I'm sure i missed about a dozen more. They come, they go, rinse and repeat. Anyone can criticize and say whatever they want about me complaining, but I feel like we have a right to. I've never seen a Toy Company/Line cancel as many as Mattel has with WWE. You like the new Ultimate Edition? Well guess what? It's going to be canceled in a few months. One thing I've learned from this forum over the past year is that Mattel doesn't care about collectors. They throw us a few bones every now and then, but thats it. While I agree with you about the constant stop start of sub lines and really crappy news of Retros going on hiatus To say mattel doesn’t care about collectors is silly Just yesterday we are getting Gerald Briscoe Greg Valentine Danny Davis Chyna Don Muroco old school Big Show Freddie Blassie Gorilla Monsoon Rick Rude old school HHH ‘97 HBK Foley Booker Christian Viscera all 100% figures that kids and young collectors give zero shlt$ about I agree with you. And they definitely give us good stuff sometimes. But to me it seems like all of the lines that collectors really love are the ones getting canceled all the time. In all seriousness, I just don't understand what they are trying to do or what it would take for a line to not get canceled. Tell me if I'm wrong but Flashback Elites flew off the shelves.
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Post by Chicago on Jul 19, 2019 13:53:44 GMT -5
Did we ever see the grey 92 Taker from the front? To me that's the biggest casualty of the line, and I think we only got a picture of him from behind in a retro ring that was canned. I think this was the closest we got to seeing it from the front: Taker was supposed to be released on his own, not with the ring, but plans changed.
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Post by slickrickstyles on Jul 19, 2019 15:25:44 GMT -5
Did we ever see the grey 92 Taker from the front? To me that's the biggest casualty of the line, and I think we only got a picture of him from behind in a retro ring that was canned. I think this was the closest we got to seeing it from the front: Taker was supposed to be released on his own, not with the ring, but plans changed. What was different about the ring that was canned?
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Post by Chicago on Jul 19, 2019 16:24:07 GMT -5
Taker was supposed to be released on his own, not with the ring, but plans changed. What was different about the ring that was canned? I meant for the Undertaker repaint. There was no other ring planned.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 19, 2019 17:02:50 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but can’t imagine there being a very big market for those. While many of us probably transitioned from MOTU to WWF Hasbro’s among others, there is no crossover appeal here that I can see. I think collectors would prefer more classics of those lines separately rather than those mis-mashes. Of course. I don't see the appeal of either these or the Ghostbusters. I'm sure there is some crossover in fanbases, but I don't know that that translates to wanting weird amalgamation figures. I'm a huge fan of both Turtles and wrestling and never had in interest in those WWE Turtles, for instance. I think there are a few kicks in the groin for the overly sensitive among us here. In addition to debuting two absurd crossover lines aimed at collectors while killing the one line collectors have been clamoring for for two decades, they also showed that Anvil figure on the very day they ended the line that was begging for an Anvil from day one. I had pretty much stopped buying WWE figures due to lack of interest in the television product/price point, but the Retros brought me back. I bought every single one, and following the line actually got me back into the hobby in general, which resulted in a few impulse Elite purchases. Can't see myself buying another WWE figure moving forward unless WWE happens to get hot again and I'm compelled to pick up some guys from the TV show. The WWE/TMNT figures wouldve worked if it had been Playmates late 80s/early 90s style or even the TMNT 6" Classic Collection style. I like Donatello and Ultimate Warrior, but Im not interested in the new cartoon style where Donatello was missing a tooth. Calling it Ninja Superstars just because they didnt want to have the word wrestling in the name of the line didnt help either. There was nothing ninja or superstar about those figures.
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Post by RedDevil on Jul 19, 2019 17:04:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt really by taking them at their word that the line isn’t 100% dead, but realistically I doubt any of us are hopeful of coming back from this. You really dont think they are just trying to let us down easy? Trying to give us that tiny bit of hope that they know will surely fade away? They probably dont want to piss us off. That's exactly what I think is behind what they are saying, hence that bit at the end of my post about realistically not being hopeful. It sounded like deflection from the start, but there is at least a chance that they are genuine in what they are saying. Watching the social media outrage is interesting though - last night it looked like 85% of the replies to the other announcements were complaints about the lack of Retros.
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Post by Lyle_The_Intern on Jul 19, 2019 17:46:23 GMT -5
You really dont think they are just trying to let us down easy? Trying to give us that tiny bit of hope that they know will surely fade away? They probably dont want to piss us off. That's exactly what I think is behind what they are saying, hence that bit at the end of my post about realistically not being hopeful. It sounded like deflection from the start, but there is at least a chance that they are genuine in what they are saying. Watching the social media outrage is interesting though - last night it looked like 85% of the replies to the other announcements were complaints about the lack of Retros. Don't have social media, but I'm glad that's the case. They never gave the line a fair chance because they never managed to actually make it so that people could purchase these figures. Series 1 and 2 were glorious, with everything being available and great, but from season 3 onward the whole thing was a pain in the ass. Hiking prices to include interactive stands no one wanted that worked with a game that no one in the target audience for these figures would ever play, completely absurd distribution, dumb rereleases and character choices. It's weird to me that they'd have their fingers on the pulse enough to conceive of and produce this line and then seem so completely out of it in terms of how they developed and distributed it. Also, the response to that instagram question seemed pretty smug "When we are ready, we will let you know more about Retros." Basically telling you to stop asking because you'll get info if and when they feel like releasing it. That's all well and good and is obviously their prerogative, but perhaps if they had been a bit more transparent with this whole process from the beginning, they wouldn't be feeling this backlash now. And perhaps, if they recognize that these figures are so popular that they need to hide/temper news of the line's cancellation, they should've taken greater pains to actually do something with it in the first place. But....."I'm glad we got Diesel."
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 19, 2019 17:46:55 GMT -5
Definitely disappointed with the retro news. I stopped collecting in 2006, only to be brought back by the retros last year. I made a promise to myself and my wife that I would only collect retros, and I will hold my promise.
Probably the biggest thing I will miss is the thrill of walking into the store in anticipation of what I will find in the figure isle. I hadn't had that feeling in over a decade. I hope something changes in the future, but it was a fun ride while it lasted.
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jul 19, 2019 17:56:59 GMT -5
Of course. I don't see the appeal of either these or the Ghostbusters. I'm sure there is some crossover in fanbases, but I don't know that that translates to wanting weird amalgamation figures. I'm a huge fan of both Turtles and wrestling and never had in interest in those WWE Turtles, for instance. I think there are a few kicks in the groin for the overly sensitive among us here. In addition to debuting two absurd crossover lines aimed at collectors while killing the one line collectors have been clamoring for for two decades, they also showed that Anvil figure on the very day they ended the line that was begging for an Anvil from day one. I had pretty much stopped buying WWE figures due to lack of interest in the television product/price point, but the Retros brought me back. I bought every single one, and following the line actually got me back into the hobby in general, which resulted in a few impulse Elite purchases. Can't see myself buying another WWE figure moving forward unless WWE happens to get hot again and I'm compelled to pick up some guys from the TV show. The WWE/TMNT figures wouldve worked if it had been Playmates late 80s/early 90s style or even the TMNT 6" Classic Collection style. I like Donatello and Ultimate Warrior, but Im not interested in the new cartoon style where Donatello was missing a tooth. Calling it Ninja Superstars just because they didnt want to have the word wrestling in the name of the line didnt help either. There was nothing ninja or superstar about those figures. I remember using General Tragg as a monster heel to face Hasbro Hulk Hogan. Hey, I was in 4th grade lol
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