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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 18, 2019 18:18:52 GMT -5
Awful news. I wonder what this does to demand for retros/hasbros? Does everyone start losing intrest and selling off collections? Or Does value stay put? Are customizers going to get busier to fill those voids? Just sucks, and I blame Mattel and the retailers. It's obviously possible, but because they can't get them on shelves, it's been killed. I agree with everything you just said. And yeah, unfortunately I think I'm done heavy collecting for now. Still need to grab Retro series 4 and find a moc Reigns, but I'm pretty sure thats it for me for awhile. The Retros are the only reason I started collecting again. And no, I def wont sell my Retro collection. Probably sell off some elites, though. I started off only buying flashbacks/legends, retros, and exclusives/chase variants. I'll just go back to that. What a sad day... |
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 18, 2019 18:20:54 GMT -5
I asked at the booth - the line isn’t dead, but it’s on ice basically. It sounds like distribution may have finally done them in; there was talk about maybe bringing the line back at some point with a relaunch or something, but honestly I don’t know how likely that might be. I thanked Mattel for bringing-out Diesel at least, and we talked a bit about other figures that the line still needed, but it doesn’t sound too positive - not completely hopeless, but yeah... Game over. Typical Mattel. Don't have the decency to actually announce it. 100% Game Over. Has there ever been a line that was "on ice" or "on hold" that actually came back? Honest Question, I'd really like to know. Doesn't seem like that's something Mattel would do. |
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Post by Medieval on Jul 18, 2019 18:27:47 GMT -5
Game over. Typical Mattel. Don't have the decency to actually announce it. 100% Game Over. Has there ever been a line that was "on ice" or "on hold" that actually came back? Honest Question, I'd really like to know. Doesn't seem like that's something Mattel would do. Yeah defining moments and entrance greats came back. And star wars vintage collection came back after like 7 years on ice. |
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Post by Thought Collector on Jul 18, 2019 18:29:20 GMT -5
Game over. Typical Mattel. Don't have the decency to actually announce it. 100% Game Over. Has there ever been a line that was "on ice" or "on hold" that actually came back? Honest Question, I'd really like to know. Doesn't seem like that's something Mattel would do. That's the way I see it. They put dead bodies on ice too and unless it's a horror movie they don't come back lol. But right now I'm just disappointed about the news but who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 18:36:13 GMT -5
The line died simply because of two things:
-Poor distribution: I couldn't get anything past series 2 in the UK at all. Aside from Diesel who I got from RSC.
-Awful lineups: A line that only existed solely because of nostalgia, and they majoratively made modern people who most old fans won't have even heard of, all while either ignoring legends, or adding legends who didn't even fit the OG hasbro era.
All of those figures on, all Hasbro fans really had to add to their collections were a purple Undertaker, an inferior Green Warrior, JYD, Green Macho Man and Diesel
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 18, 2019 18:37:37 GMT -5
100% Game Over. Has there ever been a line that was "on ice" or "on hold" that actually came back? Honest Question, I'd really like to know. Doesn't seem like that's something Mattel would do. That's the way I see it. They put dead bodies on ice too and unless it's a horror movie they don't come back lol. It's just a crap situation. And I mostly blame Mattel. They should have known the target audience for this from the start. Should have had Diesel in Series 1, along with Hart Foundation, Lex Luger etc. Hasbro collection was really missing the Iron Sheik and REALLY needed a Warrior in the same attire as his first Hasbro. And modern Goldberg ugh. I can totally see the rumors of Mattel going out of business being true when I look at these toy sections at stores. Always the same figures on the shelves. How many AJs, Balors, Cenas, Rollins etc. need to be made? And maybe if Mattel goes under, there's a chance for Hasbro to get the WWE license? Maybe then there would be a chance for this line to be done justice? |
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Post by whossideareyouon on Jul 18, 2019 18:51:33 GMT -5
Sorry for being a noob, but why is this? Because if the retro line is done, people will likely lose interest and dump collections. Oh really, that's how it works? I didn't dump my Hasbros when the line ended. Why would people do this? Why not just keep what was released and enjoy what they have? Just because there aren't new figures, shouldn't take away the enjoyment of older figures. I guess I'm really out of touch with the reasons people collect these days. |
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Post by @WWERetroStars on Jul 18, 2019 18:52:05 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see what type of retail presence Series 8, 9 and 10 have. Probably a chance these hit Ollies and 5 Below in droves again. Totally blows my mind they weren’t able to balance supply, demand and distribution with this line. This could have been an easy success. Not to mention, a complete and total “gateway drug” to bring back returning collectors. Many of us here are great example of that. Very disappointed. Sad that they didn’t even have the foresight or courtesy to prepare a statement to acknowledge the many Retro collectors that would be sitting here wondering what is going on. Sorry for being a noob, but why is this? Because if the retro line is done, people will likely lose interest and dump collections. As far as value goes, it could go either way. Long term there will be value, perhaps great value. Could see some of the harder to find figures like Flair and Roman spike high. Some Retro collectors will do an emotional selloff. Other Retro collectors will go the route of a panicked buy-up, completing MOC and loose sets. The bottom line in retail is: “If it don’t make dollars - it don’t make sense.” Mattel, bewilderingly, couldn’t find a path to cash in on the dollars collectors were begging for them to take. |
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 18, 2019 18:52:28 GMT -5
That's the way I see it. They put dead bodies on ice too and unless it's a horror movie they don't come back lol. It's just a crap situation. And I mostly blame Mattel. They should have known the target audience for this from the start. Should have had Diesel in Series 1, along with Hart Foundation, Lex Luger etc. Hasbro collection was really missing the Iron Sheik and REALLY needed a Warrior in the same attire as his first Hasbro. And modern Goldberg ugh. I can totally see the rumors of Mattel going out of business being true when I look at these toy sections at stores. Always the same figures on the shelves. How many AJs, Balors, Cenas, Rollins etc. need to be made? And maybe if Mattel goes under, there's a chance for Hasbro to get the WWE license? Maybe then there would be a chance for this line to be done justice? Exactly. I was upset at first about the "Mattel can't be salvaged" rumors, but at this point I don't care. WWE figures will (most likely) always be one of the hottest selling toys on the market. If Mattel doesn't do it then someone else certainly will. And who knows? Maybe whoever picks the line up will do 10x better than Mattel. |
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Jul 18, 2019 18:59:21 GMT -5
Ok, let's all relax, couple more days of SDCC left. If the line was on ice or over, Ryder would be talking about it. He hasn't said anything one way or another, so it's a good thing.
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 18, 2019 19:00:54 GMT -5
Because if the retro line is done, people will likely lose interest and dump collections. Oh really, that's how it works? I didn't dump my Hasbros when the line ended. Why would people do this? Why not just keep what was released and enjoy what they have? Just because there aren't new figures, shouldn't take away the enjoyment of older figures. I guess I'm really out of touch with the reasons people collect these days. Wow, that seemed to really hit a nerve. I dont think they meant immediately get rid of your entire collection. More along the lines of maybe the Retros were someone's favorite line and without those being made, what's the point? I will save my retros forever. Mainly because I do believe moc retros will gain considerable value over the years. Some more than others, but they definitely will. I stated earlier that Retros are my favorite line by a mile and now that they are basically done I will definitely slow down on collecting. For me it wont be the same at all without the Retros. I personally feel like that line really put that twist in Mattel figures that some of us needed as collectors. Elites and Basics are really the only lines that you know wont be canceled. This is just my opinion, but that's a little too boring for me. All that said, I wonder why exactly they did this? Seems like the obvious answer is distribution. But hey, sorry Mattel but that's on them as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 19:02:23 GMT -5
It's just a crap situation. And I mostly blame Mattel. They should have known the target audience for this from the start. Should have had Diesel in Series 1, along with Hart Foundation, Lex Luger etc. Hasbro collection was really missing the Iron Sheik and REALLY needed a Warrior in the same attire as his first Hasbro. And modern Goldberg ugh. I can totally see the rumors of Mattel going out of business being true when I look at these toy sections at stores. Always the same figures on the shelves. How many AJs, Balors, Cenas, Rollins etc. need to be made? And maybe if Mattel goes under, there's a chance for Hasbro to get the WWE license? Maybe then there would be a chance for this line to be done justice? Exactly. I was upset at first about the "Mattel can't be salvaged" rumors, but at this point I don't care. WWE figures will (most likely) always be one of the hottest selling toys on the market. If Mattel doesn't do it then someone else certainly will. And who knows? Maybe whoever picks the line up will do 10x better than Mattel. I think you'd be surprised. It took Mattel quite a while to get going after Jakks because many people didn't want to start over. They had a bit of a hook because of improving areas jakks couldn't, and acquiring big names like Macho Man. They've produced so many names that the big requests were fairly obscure characters like Greg Valentine and Dino Bravo. Almost a decade on with the backlog Mattel has, there's basically no way from a collector standpoint that another company will be able to take over and improve on what they've accomplished. Especially with WWE's dwindling product and fanbase. |
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Post by Thought Collector on Jul 18, 2019 19:03:37 GMT -5
Ok, let's all relax, couple more days of SDCC left. If the line was on ice or over, Ryder would be talking about it. He hasn't said anything one way or another, so it's a good thing. I'm hoping it's just like a Dolph Ziggler situation where the night after it's reported he's out the door he shows up at a PPV and is fighting for a championship lol. |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 18, 2019 19:12:45 GMT -5
Exactly. I was upset at first about the "Mattel can't be salvaged" rumors, but at this point I don't care. WWE figures will (most likely) always be one of the hottest selling toys on the market. If Mattel doesn't do it then someone else certainly will. And who knows? Maybe whoever picks the line up will do 10x better than Mattel. I think you'd be surprised. It took Mattel quite a while to get going after Jakks because many people didn't want to start over. They had a bit of a hook because of improving areas jakks couldn't, and acquiring big names like Macho Man. They've produced so many names that the big requests were fairly obscure characters like Greg Valentine and Dino Bravo. Almost a decade on with the backlog Mattel has, there's basically no way from a collector standpoint that another company will be able to take over and improve on what they've accomplished. Especially with WWE's dwindling product and fanbase. Even though I wasn't collecting anything modern line wise at the switch over from Jakks-Mattel. Wasn't the big problem that the 2 lines weren't really compatible scale wise? If say, Hasbro picked up the WWE license, the "main lines" could be designed to go in scale with what Mattel had done. Even though, ratings are low, isn't WWE still a monster when it comes to merch? Like me, I have had no intrest in the product since around 2005, but I've continued to dump money into my nostalgia for the time period I remember and loved. I really enjoy Hawkins and Ryders podcasts and personalitys, but I've never even seen a single match of theirs. Think that's sorta funny haha. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 19:15:03 GMT -5
I think you'd be surprised. It took Mattel quite a while to get going after Jakks because many people didn't want to start over. They had a bit of a hook because of improving areas jakks couldn't, and acquiring big names like Macho Man. They've produced so many names that the big requests were fairly obscure characters like Greg Valentine and Dino Bravo. Almost a decade on with the backlog Mattel has, there's basically no way from a collector standpoint that another company will be able to take over and improve on what they've accomplished. Especially with WWE's dwindling product and fanbase. Even though I wasn't collecting anything modern line wise at the switch over from Jakks-Mattel. Wasn't the big problem that the 2 lines weren't really compatible scale wise? If say, Hasbro picked up the WWE license, the "main lines" could be designed to go in scale with what Mattel had done. Even though, ratings are low, isn't WWE still a monster when it comes to merch? Like me, I have had no intrest in the product since around 2005, but I've continued to dump money into my nostalgia for the time period I remember and loved. I really enjoy Hawkins and Ryders podcasts and personalitys, but I've never even seen a single match of theirs. Think that's sorta funny haha. One of the things Mattel promised Jakks fans when they took over was that they'd do that with scale and consistency. I have hardly any Mattels as I collect solely just a few guys due to space, time, budget etc. But I really don't see a good outcome for another company taking over the reigns. |
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Post by bundy888 on Jul 18, 2019 19:24:39 GMT -5
I don’t see the original Hasbros taking a hit in value. If anything, they’ll be more sought after.
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Post by jb1981 on Jul 18, 2019 19:26:22 GMT -5
If this really is it for the retros, then it was both the best and worst thing to happen.
Got me back into collecting, and haven’t enjoyed a hobby this much since childhood.
At the same time, looking back on what was released it’s a real shame we didn’t get more legends over current stars. Agree 100% if the lineup started off filling the Hasbro void Diesel, Jarrett, USA Lex etc. it would’ve been off to the races.
There isn’t anything else on the market that tugs on the nostalgia strings quite like these. And although I love MOTU and Ghostbusters I don’t think anyone was begging for a WWE cross-over with those lines.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jul 18, 2019 19:40:24 GMT -5
Why not just make them Ringside Exclusives? Even if it's one at a time, or one series a year.
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Post by elitecollector89 on Jul 18, 2019 20:13:19 GMT -5
Why not just make them Ringside Exclusives? Even if it's one at a time, or one series a year. Agreed.Ringside, Amazon, Walmart and targets online stores only. Takes away the distribution problem. |
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Post by qdogg on Jul 18, 2019 20:28:12 GMT -5
It was nice while it lasted. From what I remember, it was only supposed to be one wave of figures to begin with and nothing more than that so we ended up getting quite a few more.
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