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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 14, 2007 17:14:38 GMT -5
Just because Brett Favre cries like a little bitch because his team is inept, theres no need to piss on Tom Brady because your jealous.
You just randomly brought him up for NO reason because the Pats got Moss.
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Post by Kliquid on May 14, 2007 17:24:33 GMT -5
Tom Brady is a great QB and a phenomenal team player. If anything, he's under-rated because of the statistical success of other quarterbacks.
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Post by Batista on May 14, 2007 18:09:16 GMT -5
Im not jealous of Tom Brady, Ive just never cared for the guy. Ill admit that he is a very good QB, but I think hes given too much credit, everytime I hear his name its always about him leading them to superbowl wins. Ive just always disliked him, much like alot of fans hate TO. But I guess hating Brady isnt the 'cool' thing for football fans to do. Ive never understood why the QB is normally considered the heart and soul of a football team. Ill even say the same thing about Favre, hes great but hes not the whole reason the Packers win. I think Tom Brady gets way to much credit for the sucsess of the patriots.
Sure im upset the Packers didnt get Moss, but its really not a big deal to me, who knows which Moss they would have gotten, I was just upset that Favre was about to demand to be traded because of the whole deal.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 14, 2007 19:32:34 GMT -5
Are you really comparing hatred for TO for the respect Brady gets? Do you watch football or are you just a full blown idiot?
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Post by Batista on May 14, 2007 20:24:56 GMT -5
Are you really comparing hatred for TO for the respect Brady gets? Do you watch football or are you just a full blown idiot? Im not saying the hated is alike, im saying that how everyone hate TO is how I feel about Tom Brady. Ive just never liked the guy, he went to U of M, im an MSU fan.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 14, 2007 20:26:02 GMT -5
Thats fantastic, but you rant and rave about Favre then mention "Oh by the way, I hope Tom Brady dies" Like what the .
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Post by Batista on May 14, 2007 20:29:38 GMT -5
Thats fantastic, but you rant and rave about Favre then mention "Oh by the way, I hope Tom Brady dies" Like what the . Its better than making several posts about all the NFL players I like and dont like. me for having an opinion of an over rated **** like Tom Brady. Get over yourself.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 14, 2007 22:48:51 GMT -5
Thats fantastic, but you rant and rave about Favre then mention "Oh by the way, I hope Tom Brady dies" Like what the . Its better than making several posts about all the NFL players I like and dont like. me for having an opinion of an over rated **** like Tom Brady. Get over yourself. With all the hype Brady gets.....he is still UNDER RATED! Look at the Pats last year. AFC championship game with an aging defense, no receivers, a decent running game and an average offensive line. Tom Brady is the Patriots and does not receive enough praise. He is easily the best QB in the NFL and is quickly rising in the ranks as one of the best of all time. You are on crack if you think otherwise. Favre is a great QB too....but he is no Tom Brady. Favre proved that with some talent around him, he could be great. Tom Brady has proven than with NOTHING....HE IS GREAT! An over rated QB would be Peyton Manning.
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Post by immortal on May 14, 2007 23:04:14 GMT -5
tom brady isn't underrated. rofl. you guys are crazy.
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on May 15, 2007 1:13:48 GMT -5
with all this talk about quarterbacks who are your top 5 from last season? id have to go with: 1.peyton manning 2.tom brady 3.marc bulger 4.drew brees 5.carson palmer
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Post by Batista on May 15, 2007 3:34:56 GMT -5
Its better than making several posts about all the NFL players I like and dont like. me for having an opinion of an over rated **** like Tom Brady. Get over yourself. With all the hype Brady gets.....he is still UNDER RATED! Look at the Pats last year. AFC championship game with an aging defense, no receivers, a decent running game and an average offensive line. Tom Brady is the Patriots and does not receive enough praise. He is easily the best QB in the NFL and is quickly rising in the ranks as one of the best of all time. You are on crack if you think otherwise. Favre is a great QB too....but he is no Tom Brady. Favre proved that with some talent around him, he could be great. Tom Brady has proven than with NOTHING....HE IS GREAT! An over rated QB would be Peyton Manning. You are right about last season, Brady is a good QB and he was the whole Patriots team just about for that season, but during their 3 SuperBowl wins, everyone rode the guys cock on being the reason for winning them. but just because im not a fan of his and dont see anything special about the guy doesnt mean im on crack. Its a difference of opinions, I respect your guys's on loving him, its a shame most of you (no all) are too stubborn to respect mine on the guy.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 15, 2007 8:31:19 GMT -5
My beef with you is that you brought him up for no friggin reason, you're whining about Favre then bring him up. Stick to your original whine, and not try to throw cheap shots. Tom Brady has NOTHING to do with Brett Favre being an bunghole to his teammates, his fans and his organization cuz hes upset that they didnt get Randy Moss. Tom Brady didnt steal Randy Moss
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Post by Kliquid on May 15, 2007 9:39:27 GMT -5
Favre is a great QB too....but he is no Tom Brady. Favre proved that with some talent around him, he could be great. Tom Brady has proven than with NOTHING....HE IS GREAT! An over rated QB would be Peyton Manning. I completely disagree with that statement. Brett Favre is one of the top-5 best quarterbacks of all-time. Tom Brady could be if he continues to play for years, but he's no where near where Favre is in his career. Secondly, Peyton Manning might be slightly over-rated, but he's still the best passer and defense-reader in the league.
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Post by Batista on May 15, 2007 10:08:35 GMT -5
My beef with you is that you brought him up for no friggin reason, you're whining about Favre then bring him up. Stick to your original whine, and not try to throw cheap shots. Tom Brady has NOTHING to do with Brett Favre being an bunghole to his teammates, his fans and his organization cuz hes upset that they didnt get Randy Moss. Tom Brady didnt steal Randy Moss I never said Brady stole Moss. I just added the Brady comment because I knew if I were to make another post ranting on him, the board would have a hissy fit for spamming it up and telling me to combine my posts, oddly enough even by combining my post, ive struck yet another nerve. I have personally never ever like Brady, since his U of M days. Ill admit for the last time that hes good, but still over rated.
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Post by sonstuds on May 15, 2007 12:40:34 GMT -5
Once again, how exactly is Brady (or Manning for that matter) overrated? Name any QBs that are better than either.
Exactly.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 15, 2007 12:52:55 GMT -5
Once again, how exactly is Brady (or Manning for that matter) overrated? Name any QBs that are better than either. Exactly. Bradys overrated and a cock because Brett Favre whines about his team. Makes as much sense to u as I bet it made to me
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Post by Batista on May 15, 2007 15:36:25 GMT -5
Brady is only over rated because hes always credited for the whole teams sucsesses.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 15, 2007 16:23:06 GMT -5
With all the hype Brady gets.....he is still UNDER RATED! Look at the Pats last year. AFC championship game with an aging defense, no receivers, a decent running game and an average offensive line. Tom Brady is the Patriots and does not receive enough praise. He is easily the best QB in the NFL and is quickly rising in the ranks as one of the best of all time. You are on crack if you think otherwise. Favre is a great QB too....but he is no Tom Brady. Favre proved that with some talent around him, he could be great. Tom Brady has proven than with NOTHING....HE IS GREAT! An over rated QB would be Peyton Manning. You are right about last season, Brady is a good QB and he was the whole Patriots team just about for that season, but during their 3 SuperBowl wins, everyone rode the guys cock on being the reason for winning them. but just because im not a fan of his and dont see anything special about the guy doesnt mean im on crack. Its a difference of opinions, I respect your guys's on loving him, its a shame most of you (no all) are too stubborn to respect mine on the guy. I'm all for respecting one's opinion. But to think that Brady is over rated is a completely absurd statement. Is Tom Brady considered one of the best QB's in the NFL? Yes. Is he considered THE best....No. Its always about Peyton Manning. I have to give credit where credit is due. I'm a huge Jets fan. And Brady has torched my team for years. I should have no love for the guy. But I cannot, in no way shape or form, consider any QB in the league right now....better than Tom Brady. Brady is a solid #1 who goes under appreciated amongst the elite QBs of today's NFL when Peyton Manning is mentioned. Bring up a decent argument and case for your statement without making outlandish accusations. Favre is a great QB too....but he is no Tom Brady. Favre proved that with some talent around him, he could be great. Tom Brady has proven than with NOTHING....HE IS GREAT! An over rated QB would be Peyton Manning. I completely disagree with that statement. Brett Favre is one of the top-5 best quarterbacks of all-time. Tom Brady could be if he continues to play for years, but he's no where near where Favre is in his career. Secondly, Peyton Manning might be slightly over-rated, but he's still the best passer and defense-reader in the league. I wont put Favre in the top 5. Not with Montana, Elway, Namath, Marino and Brady still about. One thing Brett Favre has proven is that he can win without having the best players surrounding him. So I definitely give him that and definitely goes down as one of the top 10. But I do disagree with the fact that you think Brady hasnt reached the level that Favre has. I think Brady has surpassed him. Statiscally, no. Brady has not been in the league that long. But as far as natural ability, leadership and poise in the pocket and the ability to do it with a subpar receiving core, makes Brady better. Besides, his team has done nothing but become less and less talentful since the years of that dynasty and yet, Brady has become better and better. Of course, that is minus this year's off season acquisitions. As far as Manning goes, I agree that he reads defenses better than anyone in the NFL....possibly of all time. He has a great arm and can throw a laser like pass. But Peyton Manning has yet to prove that he can win without having the elite surrounding him. Its hard to judge just how good he is. There is no doubt about Brady's talent. His ability to carry an entire team on his shoulders has been proven dozens of times....especially last season. The Chargers were way more talented than the Patriots and I dont believe in the Marty curse, either. I think Brady just willed his team. Peyton has a great offensive line, one of the best in the league. He went from having an above average RB to having a suitable replacement. His defense has a great line backing core. And of course he has always had some of the elite of the NFL in Wayne and Harrison to throw to. He has had a sure fire slot receiver with Stokely and the brain of Tony Dungy to help out. On the flip side, its Belicick(sp?) and Brady. I want to see what Manning could do with last year's Patriots. I just dont think the team would have been as good. In fact, not sure if Manning would have even made it through the season, as he might have been sacked 2 dozen times and been hurt.
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Post by Kliquid on May 15, 2007 17:23:47 GMT -5
I wont put Favre in the top 5. Not with Montana, Elway, Namath, Marino and Brady still about. One thing Brett Favre has proven is that he can win without having the best players surrounding him. So I definitely give him that and definitely goes down as one of the top 10. I don't understand how Brett Favre is not a top-5 QB... I'm from Minnesota and I've 'hated' Favre my entire life, but he's unquestionably one of the best ever. He is in the top-2 all-time in every notable passing statistic (and yes, that including interceptions). But I do disagree with the fact that you think Brady hasnt reached the level that Favre has. I think Brady has surpassed him. Statiscally, no. Brady has not been in the league that long. But as far as natural ability, leadership and poise in the pocket and the ability to do it with a subpar receiving core, makes Brady better. Besides, his team has done nothing but become less and less talentful since the years of that dynasty and yet, Brady has become better and better. Of course, that is minus this year's off season acquisitions. I don't even know how to respond to what you're saying. You're talking like Brett Favre isn't one of the single greatest, fiercest leaders ever to play the game. The guy has played in something like 260 games in a row as the Packers' starting quarterback. He has taken them to the playoffs 10 times and has been the backbone of that team since the second he stepped onto the field. What you're saying about the Patriots losing players can also be said about Favre and the Packers... And Favre has never had a "genius" coach who placed him in the position to win every game regardless of how he performed. Tom Brady is a great leader - but to put him on the level of Brett Favre - at this point in his career - is just ludicrous. As far as Manning goes, I agree that he reads defenses better than anyone in the NFL....possibly of all time. He has a great arm and can throw a laser like pass. But Peyton Manning has yet to prove that he can win without having the elite surrounding him. Oh my god... I'm not a Peyton Manning fan, but to say he can only win with "elite talent" is just downright ridiculous. The Colts won the Superbowl last year and they lost Edgerrin James in the off-season before doing so. Its hard to judge just how good he is. There is no doubt about Brady's talent. His ability to carry an entire team on his shoulders has been proven dozens of times....especially last season. The Chargers were way more talented than the Patriots and I dont believe in the Marty curse, either. I think Brady just willed his team. Incase you missed it, literally Tom Brady threw that game away. It was a horrid decision by a defensive player who intercepted a Brady pass that allowed New England to win the game. Peyton has a great offensive line, one of the best in the league. He went from having an above average RB to having a suitable replacement. Tom Brady also has a great offensive line and TWO above-average running backs. His defense has a great line backing core. ... Apparently you've never watched the Colts play.
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Post by T R W on May 15, 2007 17:35:50 GMT -5
Joe Namath top five? Are you serious? You wanna talk about overrated....
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