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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 15:50:16 GMT -5
Sox will lose tonight, but stomp the next two.
Heard it here first
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 16:10:12 GMT -5
I don't think any of the games will be a blowout. Each game you have pretty even pitching matchups.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 28, 2007 16:16:22 GMT -5
hopefully the Yankees just get swept and we can put this season to bed. I'm sick and tired of this bullcrap of "Yanks are dead" then 2 weeks later "OMG only 4 games back"....then a week later they are 9 back again.
I just want this to end, clean house on the team, better luck next year with better players and maybe we won't have the whole team on the DL in April next year, because all in all that is what killed this team and the season was over in April.
I don't want the Yankees to make the playoffs because they are only going to get embarrassed in the first round again anyway. I'd rather just get swept, get about 16 games back in the East, 7 in the Wild Card and be done with it. I don't want to make the playoffs with a team that doesn't have the goods to get the job done.
The Yankees have AWFUL starting pitching, a HORRIBLE bullpen, and hitting that either scores 20 runs in a game or gets shut out. This team is too streaky and they do not have the build of a Championship team.
Let's just end this thing this week, New York fans can stop getting their hopes up and we can all get on with our lives until the off season signings start.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 16:28:49 GMT -5
You do know that right now we're 2 games out of the Wild Card, right? And we still have 3 games to play against Seattle...
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Post by bjd on Aug 28, 2007 16:42:35 GMT -5
I am actually just hoping Boston puts this team out of its misery so I can stop hearing about it.
I honest to god don't care.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 28, 2007 16:42:53 GMT -5
You do know that right now we're 2 games out of the Wild Card, right? And we still have 3 games to play against Seattle... Big deal....Just because the Yankees can back into the Playoffs by beating Seattle head to head or by taking advantage of the fact that Seattle has an incredibly tough schedule the rest of the way...IT DOES NOT MAKE THE YANKEES A BETTER TEAM!!! Just face it! The Yankees are an AWFUL TEAM! Andy Pettitte is the only good pitcher. -Wang has been terrible most of the summer. -Hughes gives up as many runs as innings pitched. -Clemens doesn't get out of the 5th inning. -Mike Mussina can't get ANYBODY OUT. With the exception of Joba and sometimes Vizcaino, there is nobody in that bullpen you can count on. The entire bullpen is horrible and I would NOT re-sign Mariano Rivera for next year, he is DONE. And as we've been over and over with the offense, they either score 20 runs in a game or get shut out. They have been on the wrong end of too many blow outs the last two weeks.....15-4, 12-0, 18-9, 16-0......you can't play like that and expect to make the Playoffs, or DESERVE to make the Playoffs. Do you REALLY think the Yankees are going to be able to beat anybody in the Playoffs with a team like that? If we get in with the Wild Card we'll probably end up having to face Anaheim, which means it's really game over. You can a little bit of a break if we would have to face Cleveland and then Boston plays Anaheim in the ALDS, but still, the Yankees are not the same team that swept Cleveland a month ago, and the Indians have picked up their game, the Yankees have done nothing but get worse. So my answer is NO, I do NOT want the Yankees to make the Playoffs. I do not want to go through all of that, get my hopes up and watch them get eliminated in the first round again. I would rather they just tank, fade away, and try again next year hopefully with a team that actually has a chance. They only got back into the race because they played the Devil Rays for all of July and August,....as soon as they started playing over .500 team they sh*t the bed like everybody said they would. THE YANKEES ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM, bottom line.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 16:54:13 GMT -5
Wait...you WOULDN'T re-sign Rivera next season? How in the world is he done? He had 19 straight saves or something ridiculous like that before he had one bad stretch in August that he always goes through. Plus, who are you going to replace him with? Joba is moving to the rotation come next year.
Clemens has been everything I expected...I thought when we signed him that he was going to be a 5 or 6 inning pitcher. If you were expecting 7 innings or better, you were only kidding yourself. Numbers-wise, his ERA is about what I expected.
Hughes' season has been a learning experiment. The downfall in calling him up this year is that he's basically forced to learn on the fly during the middle of a pennant race. On the other hand, he now has a taste for what the big leagues is like come next season.
Wang had one bad stretch, but you say he's been inconsistant all summer? He's still on pace to finish with 19 wins and an ERA in the 3's like he did last year.
Mussina is done and Clemens won't be back next year. Other than that, you're looking at a rotation of Wang, Joba, Hughes, possibly Pettitte, and another starter that'll be available on the open market. Honestly, I don't have a problem with that rotation.
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Post by michaelrichards on Aug 28, 2007 16:59:21 GMT -5
wow i'd hate to see what would happen if the yanks took a turn like the sox last year, lorenzo would be joining owen wilson in the hospital.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 17:01:31 GMT -5
Good, I hope people pull Owen Wilsons, and I hope you Yankees fans feel this pain, after all the talk about how the Yankees are just waiting in the wings and will be in first place by Sept 1 and all that nonsense.
I hope they finish em off tonight.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 28, 2007 17:04:00 GMT -5
Wait...you WOULDN'T re-sign Rivera next season? How in the world is he done? He had 19 straight saves or something ridiculous like that before he had one bad stretch in August that he always goes through. Plus, who are you going to replace him with? Joba is moving to the rotation come next year. Clemens has been everything I expected...I thought when we signed him that he was going to be a 5 or 6 inning pitcher. If you were expecting 7 innings or better, you were only kidding yourself. Numbers-wise, his ERA is about what I expected. Hughes' season has been a learning experiment. The downfall in calling him up this year is that he's basically forced to learn on the fly during the middle of a pennant race. On the other hand, he now has a taste for what the big leagues is like come next season. Wang had one bad stretch, but you say he's been inconsistent all summer? He's still on pace to finish with 19 wins and an ERA in the 3's like he did last year. Mussina is done and Clemens won't be back next year. Other than that, you're looking at a rotation of Wang, Joba, Hughes, possibly Pettitte, and another starter that'll be available on the open market. Honestly, I don't have a problem with that rotation. If the Yankees ever want to be as good as they were from 1996-2003....they need to make Joba the closer. That is the one thing the Yankees ALWAYS had over the Red Sox. The Yankees had a lights out closer and Boston had bullpen by commity. Now Rivera is at the end of his career and Papelbon is unhittable. That is what has been giving the Red Sox their edge. If the Boston Red Sox had put Papelbon in the starting rotation and maybe Joel Piero or Mike Timlin the closer, the Yankees would be in first place, unless MAYBE if they had made Okajima the closer after Pinero failed. The Red Sox were smart and realized that Papelbon is useless as a starter if there is not an effective closer to hold the lead. Joba needs to be the closer next year, or the Yankees bullpen will just continue to piss away leads.
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Post by michaelrichards on Aug 28, 2007 17:06:33 GMT -5
Good, I hope people pull Owen Wilsons, and I hope you Yankees fans feel this pain, after all the talk about how the Yankees are just waiting in the wings and will be in first place by Sept 1 and all that nonsense. I hope they finish em off tonight. it's gonna be great going to school not having to deal with any yankee crapfrom the yankee fans. and yankee fans right now should be blessed that they still have a shot at the wild card, i would've killed for that last year around this time for the sox.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 17:09:18 GMT -5
I'm not even going to bother getting freaked out or anything with this team. If we make the playoffs, I'll be happy. If not, the Yankees only have themselves to blame. Joe Torre should have been fired at the beginning of the season and only remained manager because Steinbrenner doesn't run this team anymore, and the re-signing of Clemens made it a lock that Torre would remain the manager for the rest of the year.
I'm just honestly looking forward to next season already...I'm interested to see how the kids are going to do while starting in the rotation for a full year, and I'm also interested in seeing what Cashman is going to do in the offseason to fix the disaster of a team he assembled last year. And most importantly, I'm especially looking forward to what will hopefully be the first year with a Joe Torre-less Yankees team since '96.
It wouldn't surprise me if a big name is moved from the Yankees this offseason...whether it's Damon, Giambi, or someone else. And please, Ralpho, don't even bring up the salary/ NTC nonsense. All I know is if the Yankees miss the playoffs, there is no possible way Cashman will be able to let A-Rod get away.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 17:09:33 GMT -5
Now the division isnt totally tied up, but I dont think its gonna be blown and finally all the nonsense can stop.
With Rivera, whos been good this year, you NEVER NEVER NEVER put a starter in as a closer if you have other options.
The Red Sox did not have other options, Joba is a legit #2 starter, you do not use him as your closer....they have options.
Even someone like Eric Gagne next year....he'd be a good closer for the Yankees or Orioles, you do not need to use your young aces to close
Were not gonna get in the A-Rod arguement again, but I will be the first in line to get my A-Rod Cubs or Angels jersey, you silly silly little boy.
Also, Giambi has a NTC, he can just say F U Cashman and pay me. So it doenst really matter about salary, the veterans can just say no if they want
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 17:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah, using Joba as our closer is not even a consideration. He's going to be in the rotation and Mo is going to be back. If you don't have a starter to give you quality outings and leave the games while his team has the lead, there's no need to even have a dominant closer.
Rivera is the least of this team's worries.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 17:12:49 GMT -5
Damon is the only possibility of being traded because he has a partial NTC, Giambi has TWO no trade clauses, hes a Yankee for life fellas
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 17:13:57 GMT -5
200 innings of a #2 starter like Papelbon or Joba + 70 innings of Gagne/Borowski/etc >>>>> 70 innings of Papelbon/Joba + 200 innings of Joel Pinero, Tylor Clippard, Kei Igawa
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 17:15:33 GMT -5
No trade clauses can get waived. I refuse to believe that anyone is untouchable just because they have a NTC in their contract. I'm not saying a Jason Giambi or a Johnny Damon is going to get moved, but to say that it's impossible just because of their contract is assinine. Anything is doable...
I'm also not going to bother to get into the A-Rod debate again, but I just want to point out that nearly EVERY Red Sox fan thinks A-Rod is going to go to the Angels.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 28, 2007 17:16:51 GMT -5
Giants, Cubs, Angels, anywhere that has a big market and an opening at SS or 3B like the Red Sox too, Phillies, Mariners, Dodgers
If the teams want to open up their wallets, there are at least 10 teams that will be after A-Rod.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 28, 2007 17:43:06 GMT -5
200 innings of a #2 starter like Papelbon or Joba + 70 innings of Gagne/Borowski/etc >>>>> 70 innings of Papelbon/Joba + 200 innings of Joel Pinero, Tylor Clippard, Kei Igawa The i DARE the Red Sox to take Papelbon out of the closer role next year and make him a starter. They'll finish in 3rd place. He'll never get anywhere near 200 innings because his arm fell off at 68.1 innings last yaer and this year Francona has let the pen blow games because he's afraid to use Papelbon. He's only pitched 46.2 innings. The division is locked up now so he'll get rest, but the Yankees were a threat to take the division up until a week ago...so Francona has no excuse to let 10 games slip off of a division lead with Papelbon warming the bullpen bench. Gagne never should have been in ANY of those games. But Francona is worried about Papelbons arm. An amazing bullpen can make up for mediocre pitching. Papelbon and Joba are both more valuable as closers. What would you rather have Papelbon and Joba save 4-5 games a week that otherwisw would have been blown? Or pitch once every 5 days and have the bullpen's blow the leads because the closer isn't as effective as they would have been in the role? The Yankees have enough pitching coming up, but no closer waiting in the wings. And I don't care what you guys say. Mariano Rivera is done. He hasn't pitched a clean inning in his last SEVEN TIMES on the mound!!!!!!!!!! He has a 5.06 ERA with 15 hits in his last 10.2 innings pitched!!!!! He's getting hammered out there, he's always got guys all over the bases and I do NOT trust him in a 1-run game....but in 1-run games Papelbon comes in and BLOWS people away and strikes out the side....and Joba can do that too, which is why he should be the closer.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 28, 2007 17:47:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm astonished that you would sell Mo down the river like that so quickly, Lorenzo. Haven't you learned ANYTHING from the previous years? He always has a period of time down the stretch in August when he sucks and everyone always freaks out until he rattles off 5 straight saves again. The only difference is he hasn't had that many opportunities this year as he had in the past.
Maybe if his velocity was dramatically declining, I'd agree with you...but he's still throwing in the 90s and his cutter is still sick. Once he starts throwing 89 and leaving his cutter over the middle of the plate, I'll worry. But the fact that you think he's finished is just crazy to me. Saying that about Mussina is one thing, but you should know better with Mariano.
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