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Post by 235guy on Jun 23, 2018 17:53:22 GMT -5
Breaking news today: www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Sarah-Sanders-asked-to-leave-Red-Hen-restaurant-for-her-political-affiliation-486354651.htmlLEXINGTON, Va. -- White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders says she was kicked out of Red Hen restaurant in Lexington due to working for President Donald Trump. Sanders took to Twitter to confirm the incident, and said that she always treats those she disagrees with “respectfully.” “Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for [President Trump] and I politely left,” Sanders tweeted. “Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so." Crazy stuff, Lexington isn't far from where I live and my brother lives in neighboring Buena Vista and job is in Lexington at VMI
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 23, 2018 21:14:51 GMT -5
Well, thats a mighty fine discrimination case you got there.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 23, 2018 21:18:13 GMT -5
I don't see this thread ending well. With that said.... Well, thats a mighty fine discrimination case you got there. Trump administration employee isn't a protected class.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 23, 2018 21:26:36 GMT -5
I don't see this thread ending well. With that said.... Well, thats a mighty fine discrimination case you got there. Trump administration employee isn't a protected class. Its against the law to discriminate on race, age, sexual orientation,religion, or political stance.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 23, 2018 21:30:51 GMT -5
I don't see this thread ending well. With that said.... Trump administration employee isn't a protected class. Its against the law to discriminate on race, age, sexual orientation,religion, or political stance. If it came to a lawsuit I would imagine that the defense would argue that they're didn't kick her out because of her political ideology, but because of the actions of her boss's administration that she defends. That's poorly paraphrased from an article I read about this.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 23, 2018 21:35:17 GMT -5
Its against the law to discriminate on race, age, sexual orientation,religion, or political stance. If it came to a lawsuit I would imagine that the defense would argue that they're didn't kick her out because of her political ideology, but because of the actions of her boss's administration that she defends. That's poorly paraphrased from an article I read about this. Then that case would hold zero water. This is up on the level as a police officer not being served at ____ for being a police officer. Its ridiculous, disgusting, and completely wrong to do so. Not to mention how detremental to business such a piss poor decision this could be.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jun 23, 2018 21:44:23 GMT -5
I don't see this thread ending well. With that said.... Trump administration employee isn't a protected class. Its against the law to discriminate on race, age, sexual orientation,religion, or political stance. that’s only if it’s a government business I believe.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 23, 2018 21:45:55 GMT -5
Its against the law to discriminate on race, age, sexual orientation,religion, or political stance. that’s only if it’s a government business I believe. Negative. Discrimination is a very suable matter. If anything, this decision may have tanked business.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jun 23, 2018 22:02:52 GMT -5
that’s only if it’s a government business I believe. Negative. Discrimination is a very suable matter. If anything, this decision may have tanked business. probably I’m not too sure how it works it’s confusing
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 23, 2018 22:13:45 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, if a conservative restaurant kicked out a liberal, Americans would be up in arms about it.
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Post by disorder on Jun 23, 2018 23:21:37 GMT -5
If someone could refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, they can refuse anyone they want.
I wouldn’t serve her either
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 23, 2018 23:26:32 GMT -5
This isn't gonna end well
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Jun 23, 2018 23:38:04 GMT -5
They judged her by the content of her character.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 23:46:14 GMT -5
Just imagine if the roles were reversed in this, it would be on every news station.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 23, 2018 23:55:17 GMT -5
We have laws that protect against discrimination. You can't refuse service to minorities, women, based on religion etc.
That being said, places of business, while not being exempt from those laws, have the right to not serve a customer in its establishment, refusal of service by way of management is posted in just about every bar and restaurant. Granted, that notice was forced to be posted in every bar and restaurant because it was supposed to be an indicator that a server or barmaid could stop serving a drunk, or kick out a troublemaker.
It's a double standard if you ask me. I very, very much dislike this woman. My political ideology is well known. There's no reason to toss a paying customer out, though. As long as she wasn't drunk or causing a fuss, she did nothing wrong. (Unless the media was hounding her and causing problems with the establishment and their customers...I didn't read the whole story but if her presence with media hounding her was limiting the business the person could do then I understand, it'd be removal due to nuisance.)
But that being said, the Supreme Court just ruled in favor of a baker who was being sued for not making a wedding cake for a wedding between two men. I'm not going to get into that, as my views should be pretty clear as my politics are well known. But their ruling created a very slippery slope. This Christian baker didn't believe homosexuality was right, so he wouldn't make a wedding cake for a gay couple. Courts agreed. What are we going to do when a Chick-fil-A manager (a good company with a solid reputation of non discrimination, but run by a well known die hard Christian) in a salty mood goes against his training of feeding paying customers and refuses service to, say, a Muslim couple because the Quran contradicts the Bible?
There are places in the south that where patrons screwed up cars and personal property with Hillary and Bernie stickers to let the Democrats know they weren't welcome there. Likewise, extremist left groups have done equally stupid stuff up here in the north which is blue country to red supporters.
Not saying who's right or wrong, but if any violence comes from actions like this from both sides, it falls on SCOTUS and their ruling, whether right or wrong.
Just too slippery a slope.
That said, I appreciate you guys keeping rather level headed about this in your discussions. A few hot comments got deleted, but we're all for free speech and do not discriminate based on ANYTHING (unless you're a Roman fan). This site is for 13+, but the majority of the members here are 18+ Americans. These are issues we need to be able to discuss with truthfulness and some semblance of civility because we're voting age and it's important to be informed. You can argue and disagree, but just keep it clean, no name calling or trolling, and don't turn debate into an all out ballroom blitz.
That's been my two cents. Hope someone from either side, or someone who doesn't know much about the situation got some knowledge out of this, one way or the other.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 24, 2018 0:21:38 GMT -5
If someone could refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, they can refuse anyone they want. I wouldn’t serve her either So you wouldn't serve her just because you dont like who she works for?
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Post by disorder on Jun 24, 2018 0:48:29 GMT -5
If someone could refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, they can refuse anyone they want. I wouldn’t serve her either So you wouldn't serve her just because you dont like who she works for? Yes absolutely. Is refusing a gay couple service better?
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 24, 2018 1:01:52 GMT -5
So you wouldn't serve her just because you dont like who she works for? Yes absolutely. Is refusing a gay couple service better? I didn't agree with that either. Religion was involved with that though (that doesn't make it right.) These people had no reason to deny her service. They just dont like who she worked for.
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Post by screech on Jun 24, 2018 1:08:31 GMT -5
I love the notion that these christian bakers are outright refusing to serve gay people at all, even though they didn't want to bake a specific cake for a gay wedding ceremony due to it violating their religious beliefs and they were still willing to serve them as customers.
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Post by disorder on Jun 24, 2018 1:10:45 GMT -5
Yes absolutely. Is refusing a gay couple service better? I didn't agree with that either. Religion was involved with that though (that doesn't make it right.) These people had no reason to deny her service. They just dont like who she worked for. The owner has said that she had to keep true to their morals. We live in a crucial period of time in this country and it’s a time where you have to stick to your guns. Sanders has repeatedly defending the administration for homophobic actions, as well as dodging questions about the separated migrant families. The owner felt like it was her duty to stand up for her own beliefs and those of her employees and ask her to leave.
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