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Post by bjd on Jul 31, 2007 14:18:21 GMT -5
I'm not saying he is going to be a superstar.... but I could see him developing into a .300/15/75 guy from the top of the lineup, who will steal 15-20 bases and play a fantastic centerfield.... whats "not special" about that... How many centerfielders in baseball do that?
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Post by T R W on Jul 31, 2007 14:19:39 GMT -5
andruw for melky
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:22:06 GMT -5
It wasnt both Kennedy and Melky, get off your soap box. Jesus you are so onesided at times. Also dont kid yourself, they wanna dump Damon because hes not worth his deal. Not because Melky is the next Damon.
Gabbard = 25 year old left handed cheap pitcher
Melky: A hitter that will hit 280-190 and about 10-15 HR and drive in 70 runs
That is not special, he has decent speed. I dont really know what qualifes as special if thats what you think is. He maybe is a poor mans Mark Teahen.
Think what you want, but hes not gonna be a superstar
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:24:47 GMT -5
Felix Pie > Melky Cabrera
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Post by dafilthymofo on Jul 31, 2007 14:25:15 GMT -5
At least the yanks are protecting the young guys and not just giving in.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:26:58 GMT -5
Jesus Christ there is talk about moving Papelbon to setup, what the
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 31, 2007 14:27:05 GMT -5
Felix Pie > Melky Cabrera <3
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Post by ICW on Jul 31, 2007 14:28:14 GMT -5
Jesus Christ there is talk about moving Papelbon to setup, what the Wow thats really unfair to Papelbon. That closer role is his spot in Boston.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 31, 2007 14:38:31 GMT -5
Felix Pie > Melky Cabrera What has Felix Pie done in the majors that makes you say that? You can "project" all that you want, but the bottom line is that you know what you're getting from Melky. A great arm, fantastic defender, and a solid contact hitter who has had his share of clutch hits already. What more can you ask for in your outfielder? I have no problem with Melky as our starting outfielder for the next several years.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:41:25 GMT -5
Good for you, hes the next Joe D.
Lets move on:
ESPN's Buster Olney says the Red Sox have gotten Eric Gagne to waive his no-trade clause and join the team.
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Post by michaelrichards on Jul 31, 2007 14:43:15 GMT -5
welcome to boston, eric.
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Post by T R W on Jul 31, 2007 14:44:01 GMT -5
more like eric gag me lol
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:46:05 GMT -5
Guy is gonna pitch the 7-8th inning, cant hate that.
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Post by limatime on Jul 31, 2007 14:47:49 GMT -5
I'm not saying he is going to be a superstar.... but I could see him developing into a .300/15/75 guy from the top of the lineup, who will steal 15-20 bases and play a fantastic centerfield.... whats "not special" about that... How many centerfielders in baseball do that? david dejesus does, their stats are almost identical.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jul 31, 2007 14:48:20 GMT -5
Felix Pie > Melky Cabrera What has Felix Pie done in the majors that makes you say that? You can "project" all that you want, but the bottom line is that you know what you're getting from Melky. A great arm, fantastic defender, and a solid contact hitter who has had his share of clutch hits already. What more can you ask for in your outfielder? I have no problem with Melky as our starting outfielder for the next several years. first and foremost, projections or not, felix pie is more toolsy than melky, and is already as good defensively and on the basepaths as he is if not better and he's been mishandled completely. second, while i agree that mekly can hit 10-15 home runs in the big leagues, and drive in 60-70 home runs in his prime, possibly while being a #2 hitter and playing good defense all the way, isn't it a bit funny that ONLY yankees fans seem to be completely buying into this hype? i mean seriously, where was this guy 3 years ago? he's never been a top prospect, he's never been valuable property, he's essentially come out of nowhere. he has the tools to succeed, and i'm not saying he won't be a successful major leaguer for a good while (he already is for the most part), but you guys are making him out to be dark skinned johnny damon (no knock on lorenzo here) and this "untouchable" piece that every gm is dying to have... thats bull ****. only yankees fans feel that way, just like they feel about their fat useless relievers. felix pie, on the other hand, is just getting his first taste at the big leagues and was pretty much mishandled during that trial, has superior speed to melky (40 sb potential), already plays equal to or superior defense (i'm not even sure if you're even aware of who he is, let alone if you've watched him play), and in time, projects to hit for more power than melky and be a middle of the order hitter. I'm sorry but I'll take a Felix Pie over a Melky Cabrerra, even if Melkman is more developed NOW than Felix will be overall in a year and a half... and I'm not only saying that because i'm a cubs fan, i'm saying that because Felix Pie is floating around most top 15-30 prospect lists and has a much higher ceiling, whereas Melky Cabrera is a #2 hitter at best with a good arm and nice range...
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jul 31, 2007 14:50:29 GMT -5
Felix Pie is a poor mans Grady Sizemore.
This is a lot for Gagne, I like the deal but you gave up a decent 4th OF, Gabbard and a very young and raw prospect who is supposeldy pretty good.
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 31, 2007 14:51:08 GMT -5
Yankees need Gagne much more than Melky at this point, Cashman made a bad choice.
Ensberg to San Diegooo
Pupura said he would Trade Ensberg or release himj so he kept his word on that...
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jul 31, 2007 14:54:06 GMT -5
My guess is Engel Beltre is going to be the best piece in that deal in time, I just read about that kid a few weeks ago when I was doing rosters for this fantasy league... sounds like he could be something in time. I still like the deal for Boston though, and it'd give the Red Sox possible incentive to move Papelbon into the rotation next year maybe if they can sign Gagne? I dunno if they even intend to move him back into the rotatio at some point, but that wouldn't be a bad replacement at closer.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 31, 2007 14:54:36 GMT -5
What has Felix Pie done in the majors that makes you say that? You can "project" all that you want, but the bottom line is that you know what you're getting from Melky. A great arm, fantastic defender, and a solid contact hitter who has had his share of clutch hits already. What more can you ask for in your outfielder? I have no problem with Melky as our starting outfielder for the next several years. first and foremost, projections or not, felix pie is more toolsy than melky, and is already as good defensively and on the basepaths as he is if not better and he's been mishandled completely. second, while i agree that mekly can hit 10-15 home runs in the big leagues, and drive in 60-70 home runs in his prime, possibly while being a #2 hitter and playing good defense all the way, isn't it a bit funny that ONLY yankees fans seem to be completely buying into this hype? i mean seriously, where was this guy 3 years ago? he's never been a top prospect, he's never been valuable property, he's essentially come out of nowhere. he has the tools to succeed, and i'm not saying he won't be a successful major leaguer for a good while (he already is for the most part), but you guys are making him out to be dark skinned johnny damon (no knock on lorenzo here) and this "untouchable" piece that every gm is dying to have... thats bull ****. only yankees fans feel that way, just like they feel about their fat useless relievers. felix pie, on the other hand, is just getting his first taste at the big leagues and was pretty much mishandled during that trial, has superior speed to melky (40 sb potential), already plays equal to or superior defense (i'm not even sure if you're even aware of who he is, let alone if you've watched him play), and in time, projects to hit for more power than melky and be a middle of the order hitter. I'm sorry but I'll take a Felix Pie over a Melky Cabrerra, even if Melkman is more developed NOW than Felix will be overall in a year and a half... and I'm not only saying that because i'm a cubs fan, i'm saying that because Felix Pie is a top 30 prospect with a much higher ceiling, whereas Melky Cabrera is a #2 hitter at best with a good arm and nice range... The fact that every team the Yankees speak to asks about Melky Cabrera proves that the Yankees aren't the only ones who think that way about him. And as far as him being a solid # 2 hitter at-best, you make that sound like it's a bad thing. Not every player on the Yankees needs to hit .300, 20+ homeruns, etc. You already have A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, even Jeter and Posada who can handle that. Melky and Cano are both solid contact guys to hit at the top or bottom of your lineup, and I firmly believe their power numbers will continue to increase. Just because Melky wasn't a top ranked prospect doesn't mean anything. Sometimes guys just slip through the cracks...in the original Randy Johnson deal, the Yankees basically let the D'Backs have anyone they wanted and they passed on Melky, Wang, and Cano, and we've seen how we'll they've turned out. I'm not knocking Felix Pie or anything, my only point is that the reason Melky is so coveted after is because teams know what they're getting with him.
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Post by limatime on Jul 31, 2007 14:54:41 GMT -5
again, melky = dejesus and i think only royals fans like him. seriously, the yanks needed bullpen help and didn't get it and there are proven outfielders on the market next year.
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