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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 18, 2018 18:03:37 GMT -5
One of things I found suspect was that she referred to him as a "mildly successful podcaster." It could mean nothing, or this could be a bitter ex. I really don't know what to think about this. "I watched and supported him as he grew from a mildly successful podcaster to a powerhouse CEO of his own company." I don't sense any shade there.
His ex's full esssay for those who haven't read: medium.com/@skydart/rose-colored-glasses-6be0594970ca As a fan of Hardwick, this was disheartening to read, but his weak rebuttal statement didn't ease matters. Of course, he denied the sexual assault, but he didn't really unequivocally deny his sh-tty, controlling behavior. Honestly, I found that part of the story more disturbing that the alleged sexual assault. Hmm. The article I read about this seems to have carefully selected which parts of her essay they wanted to use. That's VERY disheartening, thanks for the clarification.
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Post by disorder on Jun 18, 2018 18:40:21 GMT -5
It’s disgusting that we live in a world where people will pick and choose who they believe accusations like this about.
Whether you like someone or not, should never take anything like this lightly
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 19, 2018 15:14:19 GMT -5
Agreed. Lots of people losing their jobs over what turns out to be false allegations. Enzo Amore for one. The accusers, if they turn out to be liars, should be punished equally as hard. There's a Law and ORder CSI episode from a while ago that is somewhat similar. A coach on a reality show is accused of being a child molester. Gang mentality ensues, and other children who were former students begin to come forward. Eventually it's unearthered that they were lying for variety fo reasons, and that the first two who came forward were making up a story to get back at him for dropping them as students. In the end, the coach tells the CSI team that when he was accused he had hundreds of news reporters following him, yet now that he was acquitted, not one camera is on him. The two liars get probation. He tells them his career is over and it basically is. That's the issue with this. News reporters only cover the accusations as its juicier than a not guilty. Yeah, that was a Law and Order SVU episode. The coach was a gay music teacher and he dropped the students and they got their younger brothers to accuse him of molesting them.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 19, 2018 15:23:27 GMT -5
There's a Law and ORder CSI episode from a while ago that is somewhat similar. A coach on a reality show is accused of being a child molester. Gang mentality ensues, and other children who were former students begin to come forward. Eventually it's unearthered that they were lying for variety fo reasons, and that the first two who came forward were making up a story to get back at him for dropping them as students. In the end, the coach tells the CSI team that when he was accused he had hundreds of news reporters following him, yet now that he was acquitted, not one camera is on him. The two liars get probation. He tells them his career is over and it basically is. That's the issue with this. News reporters only cover the accusations as its juicier than a not guilty. Yeah, that was a Law and Order SVU episode. The coach was a gay music teacher and he dropped the students and they got their younger brothers to accuse him of molesting them. I have no idea why I said CSI. Yeah that's the episode.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 19, 2018 21:40:54 GMT -5
It’s disgusting that we live in a world where people will pick and choose who they believe accusations like this about. Whether you like someone or not, should never take anything like this lightly That's true, but it's say that it's equally disgusting that an unproven accusation now equates to guilt in the court of public opinion.
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Post by disorder on Jun 20, 2018 8:52:39 GMT -5
It’s disgusting that we live in a world where people will pick and choose who they believe accusations like this about. Whether you like someone or not, should never take anything like this lightly That's true, but it's say that it's equally disgusting that an unproven accusation now equates to guilt in the court of public opinion. That’s up to people how to feel. Should the accuser just keep their mouths shut due to what it may do to the persons reputation? Fake accusations aren’t as common as some think. It’s hard enough for victims to come forward about these things, especially when there’s so many people who don’t believe them
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Post by disorder on Jun 20, 2018 9:09:58 GMT -5
And maybe I’m biased, but I never liked the guy.
He had a floundering career and used “nerdom” to become relevant, which he kind of even admits to in the funko documentary.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 20, 2018 10:14:11 GMT -5
That's true, but it's say that it's equally disgusting that an unproven accusation now equates to guilt in the court of public opinion. That’s up to people how to feel. Should the accuser just keep their mouths shut due to what it may do to the persons reputation? Fake accusations aren’t as common as some think. It’s hard enough for victims to come forward about these things, especially when there’s so many people who don’t believe them That's not what I meant at all. I know that false accusations are incredibly rare and I'm not saying that victims shouldn't come forward. I believe that the potential overaction (and I REALLY hate to use that term but I couldn't think of any other way to word it) of accusations is a direct result of years of victims not coming forward because many of the ones who did were not taken seriously. Sweeping things like this under the rug and just allowing sexual assults to go unpunished or even unacknowledged is just as bad, if not worse than sexual abuse itself. If only because that creates the potential for more victims. But at the same time, we also need proof before we ruin someone's life. Do I feel that Chris Hardwick should have taken off his TV shows, upcoming Comic Con panels and whatever else he has lost? Absolutely. I'm just saying that we shouldn't take an accusation as proof of guilt, no matter how credible it seems.
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Post by disorder on Jun 20, 2018 10:39:05 GMT -5
That’s up to people how to feel. Should the accuser just keep their mouths shut due to what it may do to the persons reputation? Fake accusations aren’t as common as some think. It’s hard enough for victims to come forward about these things, especially when there’s so many people who don’t believe them That's not what I meant at all. I know that false accusations are incredibly rare and I'm not saying that victims shouldn't come forward. I believe that the potential overaction (and I REALLY hate to use that term but I couldn't think of any other way to word it) of accusations is a direct result of years of victims not coming forward because many of the ones who did were not taken seriously. Sweeping things like this under the rug and just allowing sexual assults to go unpunished or even unacknowledged is just as bad, if not worse than sexual abuse itself. If only because that creates the potential for more victims. But at the same time, we also need proof before we ruin someone's life. Do I feel that Chris Hardwick should have taken off his TV shows, upcoming Comic Con panels and whatever else he has lost? Absolutely. I'm just saying that we shouldn't take an accusation as proof of guilt, no matter how credible it seems. You have to treat these people the same as anyone else accused of any sort of crime. Would you turn your cheek to someone accused of theft, murder or other horrible things? I didn’t want to believe the things about Louis CK at first, but they are accusations that should be taken seriously and not “ let’s just see what comes from it” We’ve taken that stance for far too long and the issue only got worse as the accusations were always pushed under the rug and not taken seriously. Companies also have to save face. Being associated with someone who has sexual assault accusations against them is not a good look. It’s about time too m, that consequences are delivered. If it ends up being all made up, I’m sure he will be back to all his platforms. I don’t always agree with how it’s handled. Peoples are shitty and it’s a shame that some are disciplined for accusations while others are just ignored. James Franco comes to mind. With multiple accusations, he is just given a pass.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 23, 2018 21:21:46 GMT -5
That's not what I meant at all. I know that false accusations are incredibly rare and I'm not saying that victims shouldn't come forward. I believe that the potential overaction (and I REALLY hate to use that term but I couldn't think of any other way to word it) of accusations is a direct result of years of victims not coming forward because many of the ones who did were not taken seriously. Sweeping things like this under the rug and just allowing sexual assults to go unpunished or even unacknowledged is just as bad, if not worse than sexual abuse itself. If only because that creates the potential for more victims. But at the same time, we also need proof before we ruin someone's life. Do I feel that Chris Hardwick should have taken off his TV shows, upcoming Comic Con panels and whatever else he has lost? Absolutely. I'm just saying that we shouldn't take an accusation as proof of guilt, no matter how credible it seems. You have to treat these people the same as anyone else accused of any sort of crime. Would you turn your cheek to someone accused of theft, murder or other horrible things? I didn’t want to believe the things about Louis CK at first, but they are accusations that should be taken seriously and not “ let’s just see what comes from it” We’ve taken that stance for far too long and the issue only got worse as the accusations were always pushed under the rug and not taken seriously. Companies also have to save face. Being associated with someone who has sexual assault accusations against them is not a good look. It’s about time too m, that consequences are delivered. If it ends up being all made up, I’m sure he will be back to all his platforms. I don’t always agree with how it’s handled. Peoples are crapty and it’s a shame that some are disciplined for accusations while others are just ignored. James Franco comes to mind. With multiple accusations, he is just given a pass. I don't understand what your point is. I'm saying that we shouldn't ignore the accusation while not judging the accused guilty simply because they've been accused, and you keep saying "we can't ignore the accusation."; This isn't an either or proposition. We can take the accusation seriously without ruining a potentially innocent person's life.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 25, 2018 20:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 3:33:55 GMT -5
And his accuser? Any prosecution?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 26, 2018 3:50:34 GMT -5
And his accuser? Any prosecution? This doesn't prove his innocence
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 4:09:10 GMT -5
And his accuser? Any prosecution? This doesn't prove his innocence If theyre reinstating him, following an investigation, then yeah, it does
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Post by bababooey on Jul 26, 2018 8:03:11 GMT -5
All I’m gonna say about this is what I’ve seen on Twitter in response to this is the bad part of the #MeToo stuff. So many people are still talking about boycotting AMC because he was reinstated, and claiming a fair investigation wasn’t done. Seems like many people have decided he’s guilty, regardless of the information provided.
Also, I’m not sure Chloe Dykstra can be prosecuted. If I’m remembering correctly, she never outright accused him or mentioned his name. People just did the math and the public accused him. Granted what she said was thinly veiled, but from a legal standpoint, it may be enough to leave her unscathed.
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Post by T R W on Jul 26, 2018 8:32:16 GMT -5
This doesn't prove his innocence If theyre reinstating him, following an investigation, then yeah, it does AMC did an investigation. Not the police.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 8:53:11 GMT -5
If theyre reinstating him, following an investigation, then yeah, it does AMC did an investigation. Not the police. And if there was proof im sure theyd have reinstated him
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 27, 2018 23:10:19 GMT -5
AMC did an investigation. Not the police. And if there was proof im sure theyd have reinstated him If that were actually the case, then why bother suspending him at all?
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Post by disorder on Jul 28, 2018 1:24:20 GMT -5
It’s sad that so many people will luck the other way, just because they have a hard on for the celebrity
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 28, 2018 3:20:40 GMT -5
It’s sad that so many people will luck the other way, just because they have a hard on for the celebrity It's disgusting that you want to judge someone guilty with literally zero evidence of his guilt. If he's guilty then he deserves whatever the most severe punishment for those crimes are. But he has to be PROVEN guilty. That's how the legal system works.
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